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Old 10-03-2013   #201
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Default Re: Kubiak: Schaub couldn’t audible out of “very, very poor play”

Some of you kill me, when we run the ball in the 4th and dont get it, people scream conservative, when we pass even though its a busted play the same people scream we should of ran it. I have no problem with the call by kubiak actually trying to be aggresive. Kubiak can take the blame all he wants but the fact is the pick 6 was on schaub, he had 3 more guys he could of thrown it to. Now that this happened expect the conservative kubiak in the 4th when winning by 3 that everyone used to compalin about again.
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Agreed. But on the other hand, Mark Sanchez has shown what he can do with a strong run game and defense around him. The Jets reached two straight AFC Championship games with him starting at quarterback. It wasn't until the Jets started losing hall of fame caliber talent like LaDainian Tomlinson and Kris Jenkins, even Darrelle Revis (injured and traded), that we started to see Mark Sanchez's game fall apart. He no longer could hide his flaws behind one of the best run games and defenses in the league.
Which shoulder did he hurt? His throwing shoulder? I'd definitely be open to Sanchez, like you said, if he doesn't have to throw the ball 50 times a game (results of playing with a great defense & a great run game) he should be fine.

Losing that run game is what killed them. Shawn Green didn't pan out & after LTs flash of greatness, they had nowhere to go.

The only thing I don't like about it, is that there is only one QB in the entire league that my wife hates more than Schaub...... & his name rhymes with chanchez.
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Which shoulder did he hurt? His throwing shoulder? I'd definitely be open to Sanchez, like you said, if he doesn't have to throw the ball 50 times a game (results of playing with a great defense & a great run game) he should be fine.

Losing that run game is what killed them. Shawn Green didn't pan out & after LTs flash of greatness, they had nowhere to go.

The only thing I don't like about it, is that there is only one QB in the entire league that my wife hates more than Schaub...... & his name rhymes with chanchez.
Unfortunately, yes. Mark Sanchez opted for surgery to repair a torn labrum in his throwing shoulder just three days ago. He's going to need four to six months of recovery time. But he could be another experienced and somewhat young quarterback option this off-season among the likes of somebody like Josh Freeman.

We don't necessarily have to rely on some rookie drafted or even Yates or Keenum. No doubt we're going to see how Schaub can handle the adversity the rest of this season and hopefully playoffs. But this off-season I would expect a change if Schaub continues to struggle. Right now I'm on the fence regarding Schaub and I've been one of his biggest fans. He has to prove it on the field and hopefully he can. He still has time to win over the Houston fans.

EDIT: Just got home. So Josh Freeman is already a free agent?
Just saw on ESPN's ticker that Tampa Bay released him earlier today.
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Gary Kubiak regrets even calling a pass play in the first place. You can tell by his interviews he called the wrong play and if he had it over to do again he'd have called for a run.
You can't trust any one thing Kubiak tells you. You've got to try to piece together everything he's ever said & decipher what he's telling you now.

He's always said Matt has the ability to check from a run to a pass, or a pass to a run. Now, when the whole world is against Matt Schaub he comes out & says Matt didn't have the ability to audible out of that play & that he called a bad play....

To me, it looks like he's just protecting his QB.
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Please stop any talk of Sanchez. It's absolutely ridiculous.

On the other hand, Hoyer might be out for the rest of the season and maybe Cleveland would trade for Schaub!! 1st place in the AFC North and Weeden isn't getting it done. Freeman might be an option for them, but he seems like damaged goods.
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DocBar, a quarterback's perception can change very fast depending on the situation he's in. A lot of quarterbacks, especially one who's already been to two AFC Championship games, would have great success playing with the Houston Texans right now. A team loaded with numerous pro bowlers on both sides of the ball. The fact we're 2-2 right now is the only thing that should be deemed absolutely ridiculous.

I think Joe Flacco is an average quarterback fresh off a five-interception game but did he not play like Joe Montana and an elite quarterback in the past playoffs, on his way to the Super Bowl MVP? He did it with amazing talent around him. Guys the Ravens no longer have. I'm not just talking about future hall of famers like Ray Lewis and Ed Reed, but Anquan Boldin for example, would catch any pass he threw up to him. Even passes that looked awfully bad (wobbly) and weren't perfectly thrown spirals. That one catch he made in the Super Bowl was amazing.

There is no reason why the Houston Texans can't win a Super Bowl or two in the next couple of years with their overall team talent. Rick Smith has done an amazing job. Quarterback play is the one weakness we continue to talk about which is a shame. If Schaub can somehow get lucky like Flacco did last year then maybe we can win a Lombardi trophy with Schaub. It's just unlikely.
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DocBar, a quarterback's perception can change very fast depending on the situation he's in. A lot of quarterbacks, especially one who's already been to two AFC Championship games, would have great success playing with the Houston Texans right now. A team loaded with numerous pro bowlers on both sides of the ball. The fact we're 2-2 right now is the only thing that should be deemed absolutely ridiculous.

I think Joe Flacco is an average quarterback fresh off a five-interception game but did he not play like Joe Montana and an elite quarterback in the past playoffs, on his way to the Super Bowl MVP? He did it with amazing talent around him. Guys the Ravens no longer have. I'm not just talking about future hall of famers like Ray Lewis and Ed Reed, but Anquan Boldin for example, would catch any pass he threw up to him. Even passes that looked awfully bad (wobbly) and weren't perfectly thrown spirals. That one catch he made in the Super Bowl was amazing.

There is no reason why the Houston Texans can't win a Super Bowl or two in the next couple of years with their overall team talent. Rick Smith has done an amazing job. Quarterback play is the one weakness we continue to talk about which is a shame. If Schaub can somehow get lucky like Flacco did last year then maybe we can win a Lombardi trophy with Schaub. It's just unlikely.
More like a fan's perception of a QB can change very fast, depending on the situation. Kubiak might as well bring Carr back as entertain any ideas of Sanchez. Right now, the Texans Nation would take anybody but Schaub. Some guys are even calling for Cousins. WTF??? The season is not over at 2-2. If, for some reason, Schaub is benched, Yates and Keenum have shown very good command of this offense along with quite a bit more athleticism and mobility. Why go for all these knee jerk reactions to get a QB that couldn't begin to decipher the playbook instead of looking at the guys that already know it? Hell, according to his agent, Brett Favre is ripped and could play tomorrow. I'd go that route before any Freeman/Sanchez/Cousins tripe.

Freaking Mark Sanchez.
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Schaub can, and should have checked into a run strong side left on that play.
It's a built-in mechanism in the WCO.

Both the run and the pass were available on that play.
The original call was a bootleg, but Schaub had the authority to check into a run play out of that formation.

That's what it means by "play design".
It was designed to be a bootleg to the right with the option for Schaub to check into a run play; in this case, a run strong side to the left should have the best chance to succeed where the Texans had the number in blocking, with the blitz coming from the opposite side.

If Schaub choose to stay with the pass call; it's on him to make the best of the situation.
A run fake like this is designed to fool the weak side LB.
If he advances (which he did), he would leave a void behind him as Graham cut across the field from the other side; that's where Schaub had the best chance throwing the ball. It should be automatic as the QB turns around and saw that the weak side backer bought the run fake.

Failing that, Schaub should realize that a throw to the inside is optimum for OD since Sherman played to the outside all the way.

Schaub committed a triple error there; he did everything wrong, including just throw the ball away or take a sack.

It was stupidity beyond all stupidities; it's not acceptable for a ten-yr veteran.

Yep,he screwed the pooch on that play and that's really unacceptable.
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Default Re: Kubiak: Schaub couldn’t audible out of “very, very poor play”

This just dawned on me, sorry if it's been mentioned....something very minor that could have a huge benefit....is there not an option to at least change out of the PA pass and audible into the run you're faking? You can at least get out of the very very poor play call without having to change your formation.
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Please stop any talk of Sanchez. It's absolutely ridiculous.
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I thought it would be absolutely ridiculous that we'd take a serious look at Matt Lienart or Dan Orlovsky, but...
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This is exactly what im talking about. This type of comment right here. This pretty much epitomizes the average mentality of a houston sports fan.

Be a nice guy, do enough to win, and we will baby and protect you no matter what your failures to win the big one.

This is how biggio and bagwell came off relatively unscathed despite their playoff choke jobs. This is how Kubiak and Schaub last this long.

This city is too soft. Fan wise and media wise.

If you people think burning jerseys and making some satirical pick six burger menu is "too tough" and "personal" then maybe you should just watch some golf because your sensibilities are too fragile for manly sports.

Can you imagine if this texan team with schaub and kubiak at the helm was in new york, LA, or philly? Can you imagine what the media and fans would do to them?

Looking back at what lebron james had to endure before winning a championship, its a freaking joke that anybody can feel sorry for what is going on with Schaub.

A freaking joke.

You sound like a sad little person that doesn't have much meaning in your life so you lean on football, entertainment, like it's your own reality. Or maybe you're just delusional. I'm leaning more towards delusional since no one said anything about burning jerseys. You're maybe one of the worst types of people...the blathering fool that is completely sober...unless you were actually drunk when you wrote this....

Either way, the last thing I think about when I read your post is tough. I know tough when I see it, lmao and that ain't it.
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Read this and more in this great read. Links to the video are in the original article.

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The Audible Issue.

For some fans, that the Texans do not have a Peyton Manning-style audible system is a problem for this offense. And they look to the Pick-6 play in the Seattle game as evidence of that.

I’ve written in the past about how the Texans do audibles using words directly from the players. This is worth reviewing if you haven’t seen it. Basically, they audible about 30% of the plays, and not to the entire playbook. And the line and the quarterback have different responsibilities as it relates to the play and the line protections. They have the ability to audible from run to pass and vice versa, from a selection of two to three plays based on what they see from the defense.

Also worth noting that this isn’t a trust in Matt Schaub thing. Any quarterback running Gary Kubiak’s version of the West Coast offense would have the same system.

Ultimately, I think that Sage Rosenfels view of the Texans audible system is a sensible one. There are pros-cons to the way that the Texans do audibles. (Just to clarify, not all West Coast offenses do no traditional audibles. I think the headline of the podcast overstates Rosenfels’ point).

As it relates to the Pick-6 call, Gary Kubiak was asked a yes/no question of whether Matt Schaub had the freedom to audible out of that aggressive play call given what the defense did. And his response was, ““No, once we called it, started the motion, it was game on.”

If you watch the play, if the TE is in motion, and the defense declares after that starts, it is too late to audible out of that play whatever your audible system is. The quarterback’s responsibility is to not force a play if the defense does things that make the play not workable.

The Texans have done counter-intuitive, aggressive plays to close out games in the past. For example, check out the 5:17 mark of the Bengals-Texans highlights in the playoff game last year. Which leads to the larger point:

That Bengals play is not as aggressive as the one called against the Seahawks, but certainly could have been not successful. It was a risk/reward play that tried to nail the win.

My view of audibles is that it isn’t a huge problem. The Texans have had highly productive, efficient offenses with this exact system. If the quarterback does smart decision making, he eats dumb plays and can still take advantage of matchup issues he can see with what the defense is doing. You can look at audibles as “the problem,” though they really are allowed to change plays, or your can look at the simpler explanation:

The pass protection is a season killer if not fixed. It’s a problem for a non-mobile quarterback. It would be a problem for just about any quarterback. Part of the issue is that in games that you get behind, teams can pin their ears back. But that shouldn’t have been an issue in the Seahawks game. They had the lead for a large part of the game.
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Read this and more in this great read. Links to the video are in the original article.

Thanks for the link. I appreciate the knowledge.

But the mob has made up its collective mind. They have little interest in listening to reason.

Schaub must be punished.

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Thanks for the link. I appreciate the knowledge.

But the mob has made up its collective mind. They have little interest in listening to reason.

Schaub must be punished.
Great article, but of course, I knew it when I read it that it was our very own Texans Chick.

As far as your point, she hit the nail on the head:

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This is why fans are upset with him. For the WCO to be successful, the QB MUST be the player on the field that makes the consistently good decisions. He does not have the be the best athlete (obviously), but he must be the one that does not make blatantly stupid mistakes that give the other team points to tie the game with less than 3 minutes left on the clock.

All that said, Schaub is our QB this year regardless of the whine and cheese crowd, so put away the pitchforks if you're going to be a Texans fan. You'd better root for his success in spite of your own reservations and/or dislike of the player.

If you are rooting for him to fail, you are not a fan of this team, IMO.
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Great article, but of course, I knew it when I read it that it was our very own Texans Chick.

As far as your point, she hit the nail on the head:



This is why fans are upset with him. For the WCO to be successful, the QB MUST be the player on the field that makes the consistently good decisions. He does not have the be the best athlete (obviously), but he must be the one that does not make blatantly stupid mistakes that give the other team points to tie the game with less than 3 minutes left on the clock.

All that said, Schaub is our QB this year regardless of the whine and cheese crowd, so put away the pitchforks if you're going to be a Texans fan. You'd better root for his success in spite of your own reservations and/or dislike of the player.

If you are rooting for him to fail, you are not a fan of this team, IMO.
I bow to you sir. Great post, but your last sentence in particular was pure genius!
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If you are rooting for him to fail, you are not a fan of this team, IMO.
I by no means root for him to fail ....I'd like nothing more than watching Schaub hoisting a Lombardi Trophy.

I do have reservations about his ability to lead this team to its ultimate goal.
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Great article, but of course, I knew it when I read it that it was our very own Texans Chick.

As far as your point, she hit the nail on the head:

This is why fans are upset with him. For the WCO to be successful, the QB MUST be the player on the field that makes the consistently good decisions. He does not have the be the best athlete (obviously), but he must be the one that does not make blatantly stupid mistakes that give the other team points to tie the game with less than 3 minutes left on the clock.

All that said, Schaub is our QB this year regardless of the whine and cheese crowd, so put away the pitchforks if you're going to be a Texans fan. You'd better root for his success in spite of your own reservations and/or dislike of the player.
If you are rooting for him to fail, you are not a fan of this team, IMO.
Agree with all you've said. And I understand the ire and frustration of the fans; heck, I share it.

Regarding that last sentence; I'll never root against my team.

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If you cant trust your QB to change a bad play-call, then get a new QB.

If your coach has such an ego that he wont allow audibles, then get a new coach.

If you don't have the balls to make tough decisions regarding personnel that is costing you games, sell the team.
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If you cant trust your QB to change a bad play-call, then get a new QB.

If your coach has such an ego that he wont allow audibles, then get a new coach.

If you don't have the balls to make tough decisions regarding personnel that is costing you games, sell the team.
If you don't know that your team audibles on 30% of their plays...

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