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Old 09-29-2013   #21
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Cowher and Chucky are both overrated. I'll stick with the staff we have, minus Marciano(he's absolutely gotta go), and go with a change at QB. I believe that Kubiak is a good coach but he's too damned loyal to the albatrosses that hang around his neck. The four games played this year have convinced me that Kubiak is shackled by Schaub, not Schaub by Kubiak. If Kubiak can find it in his heart to put Schaub on the bench and really turn Yates or Keenum lose, this team would be better off for it and Kubiak could keep his job. There is no honor in falling on the sword for standing behind a loser. Of course, if Kubiak refuses to change, maybe I'm misunderestimating his coaching ability. If we miss the AFCG, or worse yet the playoffs altogether, Kubiak is committing career suicide by sticking with Schaub.
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I believe the word you are looking for is "loose".

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Yeah. Ask the Sea Chickens how effective it was today. I reject the premise that NFL teams are gravitating towards it. A few teams are experimenting with it and having limited success a la Chip Kelly. Eventually NFL DCs figure the gimmick out and shut it down.
Many teams utilize this offense. Let me give you the top 3:

Denver
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Green Bay
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I believe the word you are looking for is "loose".

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Yeah. Ask the Sea Chickens how effective it was today. I reject the premise that NFL teams are gravitating towards it. A few teams are experimenting with it and having limited success a la Chip Kelly. Eventually NFL DCs figure the gimmick out and shut it down.
The no huddle has been working for around 30 yrs. Teams come and go with it, but many use it quite regularly outside of 2 minute drills. The spread offense of today is little more than the chuck and duck (Run and Shoot for you old school Oiler fans) revisited. That offense gets shut down in crunch time when you need to control the clock.

All in all, it depends on who can execute better.
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The no huddle has been working for around 30 yrs. Teams come and go with it, but many use it quite regularly outside of 2 minute drills. The spread offense of today is little more than the chuck and duck (Run and Shoot for you old school Oiler fans) revisited. That offense gets shut down in crunch time when you need to control the clock.

All in all, it depends on who can execute better.
Man when I saw those 5 wide offensive sets from the a Texans today I was having run and shoot flashback. Kept hoping to see Warren Moon jog out for the Texans. Instead we just had good ol Matt "Concrete Shoes" Schaub out there...
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Man when I saw those 5 wide offensive sets from the a Texans today I was having run and shoot flashback. Kept hoping to see Warren Moon jog out for the Texans. Instead we just had good ol Matt "Concrete Shoes" Schaub out there...
I was excited, too until everything went to either AJ or a TE. Schaub just can't seem to get past his security blankets. I didn't have the game on the big screen today (thanks to Sunday Ticket blacking it out in El Centro, Ca for some freaking reason) but I'm sure DHop and the other WR's were open more than once or twice during the game.
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Well...Kubiak tried to go aggressive...for once we all wished he would have just ran the ball...
I may have missed a lot on the board, but we just got back to Boerne from the game, and havent seen anything from tv.... just a little on 610 afterwards.

How was Kubiak aggressive? The majority of the 2nd half, he only ran the ball; I've call that clock management and pretty conservative. Other viewpoints? First half we played very well, I think the best we have this season and 3rd quarter comes and we can't convert on squat? Tate fumbles and gets benched... i get it, but there was a pretty good RB duo going prior to that atrocious turnover.... very frustrating!! Again, sorry if I'm saying anything that's been covered already I'll keep reading the thread now.
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I said it in another thread. So I am repeating my disgust with Schuab.

We would have been better off with Tim Tebow out there in the 2nd half! At least he can run for positive yards!

We got our butts handed to us by the mobile Seattle QB.

Gotta feel for the defense. Busting their rears and getting another heart breaking loss.

Should never blow a 20-3 3rd. quarter lead. How embarassing can it get.
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kubiack isnt the problem nor is it our gameplan nor is it the zone-blocking WCO scheme.
i have backed schaub every year but now i see that he is the one hindering this team. bring the soaps out for schaub not kubiack
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I was excited, too until everything went to either AJ or a TE. Schaub just can't seem to get past his security blankets. I didn't have the game on the big screen today (thanks to Sunday Ticket blacking it out in El Centro, Ca for some freaking reason) but I'm sure DHop and the other WR's were open more than once or twice during the game.
Well, Schaub hit Keyshawn "Little Hands of Concrete" Martin pretty much on target, but the ball was promptly dropped. Schaub deserves the blame for much of the loss, but it would make things a lot easier if the team had a reliable slot receiver.
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Throwing the ball up for grabs when your receiver already has a defender on him when you are up by 7 with only 2:51 left hardly screams conservative to me.
That's neither conservative nor aggressive, it's just ****ing stupid. And that wasn't an aggressive playcall anyway, it was a god damn dump-off to the TE.
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Well, Schaub hit Keyshawn "Little Hands of Concrete" Martin pretty much on target, but the ball was promptly dropped. Schaub deserves the blame for much of the loss, but it would make things a lot easier if the team had a reliable slot receiver.
It would also make things easier if Schaub targeted anyone not named AJ or TE for 3/4 of the game. Martin was probably too shocked to catch the ball.
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Anyone up for photoshopping a Fire Schaubiak soap? Prefer the pink, though.
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On the bright side, the last time they were wanting to fire Coughlin, he won a Super Bowl.
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Please, anybody but Gruden. There's just something about him I can't tolerate. I swear I'd rather keep a constipated Kubiak here than bring in Gruden. And I hate Kubiak.
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We got our butts handed to us by the mobile Seattle QB.
Let me see if I get this correct:

Seattle scored one offensive TD.

Seattle kicked two FG's in regulation, one of which was after they recovered a fumble on the Houston 21 and could not gain a single yard.

Seattle had 5 series where they gained 0 or negative yards.

Seattle punted 6 times

Seattle had two turnovers

Seattle gained 50% of their TOTAL yards in regulation on their one TD drive in the third quarter

Wilson had over 50 yards of his total 77 rushing yards for the game on that same drive

There was absolutely NOTHING about a mobile QB on the other team that was the cause for any butts getting handed to anyone.

No, let's talk about Schaub's Red Zone INT in the first quarter. Or settling for a field goal in the second quarter after recovering a fumble at the Seattle 19. Or the Pick Six - of ALL the plays - that tied the game up. Or the fact that EVERY SINGLE possession in the second half resulted in a punt or a turnover than lead to points for Seattle. There are only so many stops that the defense can make, especially with ANOTHER Pick Six thrown into the mix.

No, the Texans got their butts handed to them by an immobile QB wearing their own uniform.
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Cowher and Chucky are both overrated. I'll stick with the staff we have, minus Marciano(he's absolutely gotta go), and go with a change at QB. I believe that Kubiak is a good coach but he's too damned loyal to the albatrosses that hang around his neck. The four games played this year have convinced me that Kubiak is shackled by Schaub, not Schaub by Kubiak. If Kubiak can find it in his heart to put Schaub on the bench and really turn Yates or Keenum lose, this team would be better off for it and Kubiak could keep his job. There is no honor in falling on the sword for standing behind a loser. Of course, if Kubiak refuses to change, maybe I'm misunderestimating his coaching ability. If we miss the AFCG, or worse yet the playoffs altogether, Kubiak is committing career suicide by sticking with Schaub.
Overrated? you mean like SB winning HC's overrated?

What has Gary ever won in his lifetime as a HC?

Give me a SB winning HC over Gary every day and twice on Sunday's. I say hire Jay Gruden (He's cheaper) and keep the WC offense so the changeover wont be to traumatic.

BoB doesn't want traumatic.
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Wilson had over 50 yards of his total 77 rushing yards for the game on that same drive

There was absolutely NOTHING about a mobile QB on the other team that was the cause for any butts getting handed to anyone.
Those two statements don't fit each other. Wilson made plays with his feet when his team needed them. It probably wouldn't have been enough to win if it weren't for Schaub, but those plays mattered.
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Scaub was at least a 10 point swing, the interception in the red zone, and the pick 6 touchdown.
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Scaub was at least a 10 point swing, the interception in the red zone, and the pick 6 touchdown.
I don't put the int in the red zone squarely on him...If i recall, it was a 3 step drop, meaning the ball's gotta come out fast...plus OD had a shot at it..it hit him in his hands twice. Noone was running a deep route on that play. Apart from that, you don't have time to come off your primary read and go to someone else on those type of plays.

....Like i said in the game thread Seattle did their homework & knew it was coming which is why so many damn defenders were in the vicinity....plus it was run on the short side of the field..
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