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Old 09-29-2013   #1
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Actually, the entire team lost this game. The defense gave up 30 yards in over time on penalties. Game changing penalties.

Schaub threw a bonheaded pass that was returned for 6.

The offensive line (Wade Smith, I'm looking at YOU) was dominated in the second half.

The receivers had several drops (Foster with one, Keyshawn Martin, even AJ had a drop he should have caught).

This team is what it is. Undisciplined. It reminds me of the cowboys several years ago. You can blame the QB, you can blame special teams, you can blame the defense but I honestly think this starts and stops with the HC. I don't know what happened but we completely lack discipline. I've been behind Kubiak most of the time but this is getting ridiculous.

I still believe that Schaub is the QB we need but Kubiak needs to man up and bench him for a half. There was a time when we had a young upstart RB that was clearly the best on our team, he missed a meeting and he was benched for the first half.

I remember when the Ninja used to get offsides penalties, I was always ok with them because they were in the field of play and it was him trying to get an advantage but the penalties that we saw today, the horse collar and the body slam are both dead ball fouls. Either wade needs to sit somebody or Kubiak needs to do it.

The focus will be on Schaub's play but he isn't the real problem. His mistake comes in the field of play and it isn't a matter of discipline (you could make the argument that it is) but the other two penalties? They are AFTER you already made the play.

If you will sit Tate for a turnover then you should be sitting your defenders getting 15 yard personal fouls AFTER the play is over. At this point, I would be ok with sitting Schaub for a game. Somebody please send the message that lack of discipline is not acceptable. This team is too talented to be plagued with cowboys type mistakes. That is what we do every game. Fix it Gary or Bob needs to find someone who will.

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Defense gives up 13 points and we have another thread saying they are part of the problem....get real...in what world do defenses pitch shut outs every week? They dont....they will give up drives, points and get penalties sometimes, but they are clearly holding up their end of the bargain on this team....

Accusing anyone other than the offense (mainly Schaub) is naive and being a homer...

oh on another note, Trindon just ran ANOTHER pr back....good thing we got rid of him
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We were up 20-3! 20-3! We lost 23-20. That is not on the defense. Quit being a ****ing apologist!
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I still believe that Schaub is the QB we need
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It's Matt Schaub MAAAAAATTTTTT SCCCHHAAUUUB!!!!! How many times is he going to have to screw up for everyone to see???
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Not surprised you stopped reading. I wasn't talking about race.

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Other people besides Schaub did make bonehead plays, but it starts with him. Three games in a row with a pick six- totally unacceptable. He needs to be benched.

Even thought the D played well most of the game, they made too many mistakes. That penalty by Kareem was inexcusable.

When a team with as supposedly as much talent as the Texans have is up 17 points at half at home, they should never lose. The fact they did says a lot about the coaching as well.
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Not surprised you stopped reading. I wasn't talking about race.

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But he is right. You are being a damn apologist. I can respect fandom but you have too see what EVRYONE else sees!
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Actually, the entire team lost this game. The defense gave up 30 yards in over time on penalties. Game changing penalties.

Schaub threw a bonheaded pass that was returned for 6.

The offensive line (Wade Smith, I'm looking at YOU) was dominated in the second half.

The receivers had several drops (Foster with one, Keyshawn Martin, even AJ had a drop he should have caught).

This team is what it is. Undisciplined. It reminds me of the cowboys several years ago. You can blame the QB, you can blame special teams, you can blame the defense but I honestly think this starts and stops with the HC. I don't know what happened but we completely lack discipline. I've been behind Kubiak most of the time but this is getting ridiculous.

I still believe that Schaub is the QB we need but Kubiak needs to man up and bench him for a half. There was a time when we had a young upstart RB that was clearly the best on our team, he missed a meeting and he was benched for the first half.

I remember when the Ninja used to get offsides penalties, I was always ok with them because they were in the field of play and it was him trying to get an advantage but the penalties that we saw today, the horse collar and the body slam are both dead ball fouls. Either wade needs to sit somebody or Kubiak needs to do it.

The focus will be on Schaub's play but he isn't the real problem. His mistake comes in the field of play and it isn't a matter of discipline (you could make the argument that it is) but the other two penalties? They are AFTER you already made the play.

If you will sit Tate for a turnover then you should be sitting your defenders getting 15 yard personal fouls AFTER the play is over. At this point, I would be ok with sitting Schaub for a game. Somebody please send the message that lack of discipline is not acceptable. This team is too talented to be plagued with cowboys type mistakes. That is what we do every game. Fix it Gary or Bob needs to find someone who will.

Mike
Pretty sure Schaub put the Defense in that position to make them penalties. We should of never been in that position but "why" were we ? Who let them tie the game ? Not Kubiak or the defense.
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He wants to sit defenders for penalties, but says nothing about the qb that has spotted the other team points in every game this year.
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The problem with this team is Gary Kubiak. It all boils down to him.
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The problem with this team? Matt Schaub. He has thrown three pick-6's already this season...
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But he is right. You are being a damn apologist. I can respect fandom but you have too see what EVRYONE else sees!
No, I'm not an emotional fan and I'm looking beyond the obvious.

Schaub's play is evidence of a lack of discipline. So is Tate's. So was KJ's. So was Sharpton's. It doesn't matter who you bring in here, if you don't fix the lack of discipline on this team you won't win anything. Look at the last decade of Cowpies play. Nobody can argue that they haven't had the talent to be a factor in January but they have played undisciplined football basically since Jimmy Johnson left.

This team displays the same tendencies. On our last offensive drive look at the sack that Schaub took at the 45. Smith gets sloppy with his footwork, extends his arms and gets rolled. Look at KJ. Great play. Lacks discipline. Sharpton? That play is a lack of discipline. Tate fumbling? Lack of discipline.

This team lacks accountability and discipline. Schaubs problems aren't that he is incapable, they are that he isn't disciplined. The OL isn't disciplined either. The defense has killed us multiple times with boneheaded penalties.

I get it that you want somebodies head but I'm telling you that if you bring in any QB that isn't elite (ie not named Peyton, Brady Aaron) and put them into the culture of this team you don't get anything different than you have right now.

Call me an apologist, I don't care. I will never tell you that this team is a SB caliber team and I will probably never tell you that you can put it all on one person. If someone is looking for the easy "analysis" or the head to put on a pole, I probably won't give them that. I want to know why we are losing, not find someone to ***** about. I don't care about names, I don't care about numbers I want to get to the root cause. The common denominators in all of the negative plays was discipline or lack thereof.

I don't want to see what "everyone else sees" because that's usually wrong.

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No, I'm not an emotional fan and I'm looking beyond the obvious.

Schaub's play is evidence of a lack of discipline. So is Tate's. So was KJ's. So was Sharpton's. It doesn't matter who you bring in here, if you don't fix the lack of discipline on this team you won't win anything. Look at the last decade of Cowpies play. Nobody can argue that they haven't had the talent to be a factor in January but they have played undisciplined football basically since Jimmy Johnson left.

This team displays the same tendencies. On our last offensive drive look at the sack that Schaub took at the 45. Smith gets sloppy with his footwork, extends his arms and gets rolled. Look at KJ. Great play. Lacks discipline. Sharpton? That play is a lack of discipline. Tate fumbling? Lack of discipline.

This team lacks accountability and discipline. Schaubs problems aren't that he is incapable, they are that he isn't disciplined. The OL isn't disciplined either. The defense has killed us multiple times with boneheaded penalties.

I get it that you want somebodies head but I'm telling you that if you bring in any QB that isn't elite (ie not named Peyton, Brady Aaron) and put them into the culture of this team you don't get anything different than you have right now.

Call me an apologist, I don't care. I will never tell you that this team is a SB caliber team and I will probably never tell you that you can put it all on one person. If someone is looking for the easy "analysis" or the head to put on a pole, I probably won't give them that. I want to know why we are losing, not find someone to ***** about. I don't care about names, I don't care about numbers I want to get to the root cause. The common denominators in all of the negative plays was discipline or lack thereof.

I don't want to see what "everyone else sees" because that's usually wrong.

Mike
If discipline is the main problem with this team, then Schaub is the least discilined of all, and thats not good since he is the "leader" right.
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Kubiak is going into his full, "It's my fault." routine. I think we should take him at his word.
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If discipline is the main problem with this team, then Schaub is the least discilined of all, and thats not good since he is the "leader" right.
The leader needs to be the HC. Honestly if you change the QB I don't think you change the situation. The problem is the culture of the locker room. I don't think you sit Schaub because he's "Not the answer", you sit him because "unacceptable play has consequences".

Schaub isn't the least disciplined player on the team, the entire team is undisciplined.

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