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Old 09-18-2013   #41
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I like the way all the so-called analysts on TV think this is such a great deal for the Colts.

One thing I haven't heard from any of them is that Trent was a 2 down back that was a real liability on 3rd down. That's why we had Obywann on 3rd down. At least he could block and pick up a blitz.

This is not sour grapes on my part. I much prefered the way Hardesty hit the hole when he would spell Trent. Trent will dance at line and look for those "Alabama" size holes.

If he is on the field on 3rd downs the Texans will eat his lunch.
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Sorry, but Texans fans can blow this off like it isn't a big deal all they want, but the Colts just got a lot better. They just got a very solid talent for their running game to add with guys like Wayne and Hilton. The Colts are continually getting better and this is not good for the Texans despite who wants to spin it.
Agreed, I have no idea what these people are talking about. Everybody stacks the LOS against Cleveland, they have zero passing game. The Colts just got better for a 4-5 year period, undoubtedly.
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Sorry, but Texans fans can blow this off like it isn't a big deal all they want, but the Colts just got a lot better. They just got a very solid talent for their running game to add with guys like Wayne and Hilton. The Colts are continually getting better and this is not good for the Texans despite who wants to spin it.
Yep

Grigson is obviously a risk taker.

Will BoB/Rick/Gary take the necessary chances to keep up with the Colts? History says they will not.
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I like the way all the so-called analysts on TV think this is such a great deal for the Colts.

One thing I haven't heard from any of them is that Trent was a 2 down back that was a real liability on 3rd down. That's why we had Obywann on 3rd down. At least he could block and pick up a blitz.

This is not sour grapes on my part. I much prefered the way Hardesty hit the hole when he would spell Trent. Trent will dance at line and look for those "Alabama" size holes.

If he is on the field on 3rd downs the Texans will eat his lunch.
It definitely sounds like sour grapes on your part when you completely dismiss the fact that a very good division rival just got a stud RB that was a top 5 pick just last season who has fresh young legs, and you act like it's some sort of guarantee that the Texans will eat his lunch. If it isn't sour grapes it's just homerism getting in the way of rationale thinking.
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It definitely sounds like sour grapes on your part when you completely dismiss the fact that a very good division rival just got a stud RB that was a top 5 pick just last season who has fresh young legs, and you act like it's some sort of guarantee that the Texans will eat his lunch. If it isn't sour grapes it's just homerism getting in the way of rationale thinking.
So remind me of all the times stud RBs were traded for a lower draft pick after one year? Or is it too homer to ask that question?

By the way, I recall a 4th round rookie RB on a much worse passing team, with a horrendous OL, who I don't recall anyone calling a stud while averaging .7 ypc more than Richardson.
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He had a lot better offensive line in Cleveland than what he's going to have in Indy.. There have been other backs who played on crap offenses and could post more than just 3 100 yard games and better than a 3.6 YPC average. He's a bruiser, but can't hit the long ball. Reminds me of a richer man's Ron Dayne. I think he can help them, but he isn't worth a 1st round pick in a trade.
The line might be slightly better in Cleveland (They both have been bad) but in Indy, Richardson isn't going to face 8 dudes crammed into the box on every single play.
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Default Re: Colts get Trent Richardson from Browns

This has got to be one of the most divisive trades I've seen in terms of reaction.

We've had the full spectrum from the Colts made a very shrewd move, to the Browns just made out like bandits trading for a 1st.

That said, I think it is a bit of a dick move on a fanbase who've endured quite a lot of crap over the years - pulling this in the 2nd week, after all the season tickets are solid, and effectively putting up a sign that says 'come back next year'.

Sure I know fans should stick by their team through thick and thin - but how many of us would have been jumping for joy two weeks into the season if we've traded Mario for an unknown first round pick, after putting the emotional baggage into believing that your franchise has got 'the one'.

As for the actual trade - I don't really think we'll know for a few weeks. Richardson could propel Indy to a divisional title, and leave Cleveland with a high 20's pick, or he could have the warned diva mentality, and the Browns are picking in the top 10 twice.
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It definitely sounds like sour grapes on your part when you completely dismiss the fact that a very good division rival just got a stud RB that was a top 5 pick just last season who has fresh young legs, and you act like it's some sort of guarantee that the Texans will eat his lunch. If it isn't sour grapes it's just homerism getting in the way of rationale thinking.
Ehh, he ain't that fresh....dude already has 1278543 screws in his ankle...all in all i still think he'll be good for them...just don't think he makes them that much better. They still have o-line and pass rush issues they have to address.

Ultimately I don't think he's worth a 1st rounder...
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Can you please explain the "Colts are continuously getting better comment", because it's not like Houston is staying status quo here. The entire division outside of Jax is "continuously getting better"... including Houston who already have two stud to very good RBs.. (And yes, I'd take a healthy Ben Tate over Trent Richardson.) and who greatly improved the potency of their passing game with DeAndre Hopkins and this is without Posey taking the field yet. We offer WAY WAY more things for the Colts to worry about defensively then they do us.. even with Richardson

Sorry you can call it "sour grapes" all you want, but I'm not high on the "Alabama RB" that has been coming into the league over the last few years (the Saben years). Mark Ingram the Heisman winner was a product of his system and while I do think Richardson is a much better player a lot of the production that got these guys drafted so high was because of the massive offensive lines they played behind at Alabama.

Does Trent Richardson make the Colts better.. yes.

Am I going to shake in my boots about it though.. no. I think they overpaid and I hope they continue to trade away their draft picks. Especially first and second rounders

The Colts blew the team up a few years ago and went 1-15, it's pretty obvious they were going to improve, especially after landing Andrew Luck. Houston just has to keep taking care of their own business (like landing players like Watt and Hopkins, ect) and they'll still be in the playoff hunt for the foreseeable future. LOL, it's not like the AFC South was always going to be a one horse race... welcome to what other playoff teams deal with almost on a year to year basis (The NFC West, the NFC North, the NFC East, the NFC South, and the AFC North)
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Yeah but Luck is way better than Weeden is. More of a threat. Teams playing Cleveland could just zero in on Richardson. Can't do that against Luck and Indy.

We'll see.
Exactly, a good add for them unfortunately.

This division is shaping up to be interesting. STill think the Texans should take it but the Titans and Colts are not going to hand it to us.

This makes the Colts better IMO and that's all that matters.

Also can't see us trading away Ben Tate middle of the season unless it is for immediate help. Superbowl contenders don't need draft picks.
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It definitely sounds like sour grapes on your part when you completely dismiss the fact that a very good division rival just got a stud RB that was a top 5 pick just last season who has fresh young legs, and you act like it's some sort of guarantee that the Texans will eat his lunch. If it isn't sour grapes it's just homerism getting in the way of rationale thinking.
You can dismiss my comments and characterize them however you wish. I've been a Browns fan for over 56 yrs. I've seen some damn good running backs. All I was trying to do was add the perspective of a fan that has watched every snap of every Browns game at least once since Sunday Ticket came out. You seem to be scared of Trent. I was trying to give a little perspective.

I was being rational---you are the one jumping to conclusions.
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You can dismiss my comments and characterize them however you wish. I've been a Browns fan for over 56 yrs. I've seen some damn good running backs. All I was trying to do was add the perspective of a fan that has watched every snap of every Browns game at least once since Sunday Ticket came out. You seem to be scared of Trent. I was trying to give a little perspective.

I was being rational---you are the one jumping to conclusions.
You can't dismiss the fact that your passing game is anemic and has been since Richardson's arrival. Icak's point about Slaton is invalid for the same reason; the Texans had a good passing attack back then. It wasn't good by today's standards but far better than what the Browns are trotting out there. Im assuming he means Slaton, although Slaton was a 3rd rounder. Peterson is the only guy I have ever seen that could run through a consistently stacked LOS when his team had an anemic passing attack. The Vikings are better passing than the Browns are too. I watched the Dolphins - Browns game and outside or their TE, Browns receivers seemed like they dropped more balls than they caught, it was embarrassing.

When you watch the Browns, Richardson is almost always met at the LOS by a clean defender. His 9 yard gains come with 2 or 3 broken tackles.
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You can't dismiss the fact that your passing game is anemic and has been since Richardson's arrival. Icak's point about Slaton is invalid for the same reason; the Texans had a good passing attack back then.
Man couldn't get anything by you, well other than I was talking about Domanick Williams.

Slaton was a 3rd round pick and averaged 1.2 ypc more than Richardson.
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Browns front office panicked when they saw how truly awful the Jaguars are, so they decided to throw away the 2013 season after 2 games to get into next year's draft's top QB pick. Mike Lombardi will be making the selection -- let's hope he makes the right choice, because there are mistakes in the top group.

Long-suffering Browns fans get to suffer even more. Welcome to Astrosville, Cleveland. Again.

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Man couldn't get anything by you, well other than I was talking about Domanick Williams.

Slaton was a 3rd round pick and averaged 1.2 ypc more than Richardson.
Well hell, I didn't look up the exact YPC numbers and your post was pretty vague. That team was still better passing the ball than this or last year's Browns team. Have you seem them play? They are atrocious.

They also don't commit to running the ball. That Dolphins game was close enough throughout for them to not abandon their game plan and they threw it 53 times, ran it 13 times, this is without a receiver that you would consider anything above decent. Weeden is on track for 88 sacks, 24 interceptions.
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You can't dismiss the fact that your passing game is anemic and has been since Richardson's arrival. Icak's point about Slaton is invalid for the same reason; the Texans had a good passing attack back then. It wasn't good by today's standards but far better than what the Browns are trotting out there. Im assuming he means Slaton, although Slaton was a 3rd rounder. Peterson is the only guy I have ever seen that could run through a consistently stacked LOS when his team had an anemic passing attack. The Vikings are better passing than the Browns are too. I watched the Dolphins - Browns game and outside or their TE, Browns receivers seemed like they dropped more balls than they caught, it was embarrassing.

When you watch the Browns, Richardson is almost always met at the LOS by a clean defender. His 9 yard gains come with 2 or 3 broken tackles.
... pretty sure he meant Domanick Davis.. and yes that was a "anemic passing attack", Davis was pretty much THE passing attack as Carr would rarely look down field during those seasons. Also, what MJD has basically played with his ENTIRE CAREER has been a anemic passing attack. (hell he won a rushing title with Blaine Gabbert). Stephen Jackson for a good portion of his career played in crappy offenses and was the only real weapon.

I'm not buying the anemic passing attack excuse. Top drafted RBs genuinely go to bad teams. There's been plenty of examples of players even late round players who were able to run more consistently effective. Jamaal Charles is another one and he was a third rounder.
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... pretty sure he meant Domanick Davis.. and yes that was a "anemic passing attack", Davis was pretty much THE passing attack as Carr would rarely look down field during those seasons. Also, what MJD has basically played with his ENTIRE CAREER has been a anemic passing attack. (hell he won a rushing title with Blaine Gabbert). Stephen Jackson for a good portion of his career played in crappy offenses and was the only real weapon.

I'm not buying the anemic passing attack excuse. Top drafted RBs genuinely go to bad teams. There's been plenty of examples of players even late round players who were able to run more consistently effective. Jamaal Charles is another one and he was a third rounder.
You ought to go back and watch the Browns play.
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I have seen them play... they suck. I've also seen plenty of other crappy teams play.. including some very crappy Houston Texans teams.
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I have seen them play... they suck. I've also seen plenty of other crappy teams play.. including some very crappy Houston Texans teams.
I guess we'll revisit this when Richardson gets some time in that Indy offense. By the way, you're point about the Browns line being better than the Colts line is inaccurate as well. The Browns can't run block or pass protect, they've given up 11 sacks in two games. I say that knowing the Colts do not have great run blockers. The Browns are that bad.
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That team was still better passing the ball than this or last year's Browns team.
Well that's debatable. The 2003 Texans had 900 less passing yds and 60 less passing 1st downs than the 2012 Browns.
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