Go Back   Houston Texans Message Board & Forum - TexansTalk.com > The Great Fans of the Houston Texans > Texans Talk
Home Forums Register FAQDonate Automatic Monthly Contribution Members List Mark Forums Read


Texans Talk Football talk only please. Keep it to the game, the players, the coaches and management.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 09-12-2013   #1
badboy
Site Contributor
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Clear Lake
Posts: 22,759
Rep Power: 128525 badboy is a quality contributor and well respectedbadboy is a quality contributor and well respectedbadboy is a quality contributor and well respectedbadboy is a quality contributor and well respectedbadboy is a quality contributor and well respectedbadboy is a quality contributor and well respectedbadboy is a quality contributor and well respectedbadboy is a quality contributor and well respectedbadboy is a quality contributor and well respectedbadboy is a quality contributor and well respectedbadboy is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Roc Carmichael CB

I know he is no longer on radar screens of most Texans fans but I am interested if any think he can be "coached up" or will he fade into practice squad sunset? I liked him when he improved his forty time at pro day and when Joseph was hurt he got some time but that may have proved to be his undoing as he never seemed to get it going. Too much pressure too soon? I would like to think Texans CBs are solid but I can see Joseph being moved in 2014 due to his cap hit next three years and Harris needs to do or die this year imo.

Your thoughts?
__________________
I want to be able to recognize the difference between a "want" and a "need" and then I want to be satisfied with getting a need
badboy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-12-2013   #2
chenjy9
Veteran
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 255
Rep Power: 4127 chenjy9 is a quality contributor and well respectedchenjy9 is a quality contributor and well respectedchenjy9 is a quality contributor and well respectedchenjy9 is a quality contributor and well respectedchenjy9 is a quality contributor and well respectedchenjy9 is a quality contributor and well respectedchenjy9 is a quality contributor and well respectedchenjy9 is a quality contributor and well respectedchenjy9 is a quality contributor and well respectedchenjy9 is a quality contributor and well respectedchenjy9 is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Roc Carmichael CB

I personally consider him a lost cause, though I also gave up on KJax so who am I to judge?
chenjy9 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-12-2013   #3
Rey
Hall of Fame
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 14,475
Rep Power: 0 Rey is a quality contributor and well respectedRey is a quality contributor and well respectedRey is a quality contributor and well respectedRey is a quality contributor and well respectedRey is a quality contributor and well respectedRey is a quality contributor and well respectedRey is a quality contributor and well respectedRey is a quality contributor and well respectedRey is a quality contributor and well respectedRey is a quality contributor and well respectedRey is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Roc Carmichael CB

I think he can get better. He has the physical tools.

What I don't know about is his desire, work ethic...ect...

Judging these guys from a distance is kind if hard when it comes to projections. All you really can do is evaluate what you see.

That's why teams investigate, poke and prod these guys before drafting them. There's more to it than just the on field stuff.

They kept him around, so obviously then think that it's at least possible to get something out of him.

I thought he played well in pre season last year, but was awful this year. I'm not sure what the deal was, but he sucked. I won't write him off though.
Rey is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-12-2013   #4
Porky
Hall of Fame
 
Porky's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Age: 50
Posts: 12,164
Rep Power: 52757 Porky is a quality contributor and well respectedPorky is a quality contributor and well respectedPorky is a quality contributor and well respectedPorky is a quality contributor and well respectedPorky is a quality contributor and well respectedPorky is a quality contributor and well respectedPorky is a quality contributor and well respectedPorky is a quality contributor and well respectedPorky is a quality contributor and well respectedPorky is a quality contributor and well respectedPorky is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Roc Carmichael CB

I think he's on the edge of being gone, gone, gone. He has to pick it up this year, or he'll be flipping burgers at Mickey D's about next August.

Our secondary is pretty strong at the top, and drops off the edge of the earth after that. I actually thought we'd be deep and talented, but watching McCain all preseason and on to game one has me worried. He looks like a shell of the player he was in 2011. Not sure what's happened.

Then you have Roc, who was just plain awful. Brandon Harris - a guy we invested a valuable draft choice in - still cannot find the field with a compass and a keymap.

AJ Bouye is an undrafted youngster with an unknown future. It would be fools gold to rely on him for 2014. He may turn out to be good...but that's like waiting on Jlo to give you a lap dance. The odds are low.

JJo (not JLo) may be too expensive to keep next year unless he has an all-pro season and so far, I'm not convinced. He's playing decently, but not like 2011...yet.

In short, we are screwed.
__________________
Your local CruiseOne Vacation specialist. www.firstclasscruising.biz Visit me on Facebook.
Porky is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-12-2013   #5
Playoffs 
Subscribed Contributor
 
Playoffs's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 13,986
Rep Power: 245923 Playoffs is a quality contributor and well respectedPlayoffs is a quality contributor and well respectedPlayoffs is a quality contributor and well respectedPlayoffs is a quality contributor and well respectedPlayoffs is a quality contributor and well respectedPlayoffs is a quality contributor and well respectedPlayoffs is a quality contributor and well respectedPlayoffs is a quality contributor and well respectedPlayoffs is a quality contributor and well respectedPlayoffs is a quality contributor and well respectedPlayoffs is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Roc Carmichael CB

Practices like Tarzan, plays like Jane...

Loses his technique & discipline when the lights are on.
Playoffs is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-12-2013   #6
Corrosion
Hall of Fame
 
Corrosion's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Northwest Houston
Age: 46
Posts: 31,117
Rep Power: 174245 Corrosion is a quality contributor and well respectedCorrosion is a quality contributor and well respectedCorrosion is a quality contributor and well respectedCorrosion is a quality contributor and well respectedCorrosion is a quality contributor and well respectedCorrosion is a quality contributor and well respectedCorrosion is a quality contributor and well respectedCorrosion is a quality contributor and well respectedCorrosion is a quality contributor and well respectedCorrosion is a quality contributor and well respectedCorrosion is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Roc Carmichael CB

He made some solid plays against lesser competition in the last preseason game ..... did the same things last preseason too ..... but that has never translated into regular season production. His technique has been solid against that lesser competition .... he hasn't been able to execute that same technique against higher competition.


I think what has been proven is that .... he can perform against lesser completion but isn't quite NFL caliber.
__________________



Hope is a poor mans disease.
Corrosion is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-12-2013   #7
Hervoyel
The Right Track
 
Hervoyel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Age: 49
Posts: 14,553
Rep Power: 226347 Hervoyel is a quality contributor and well respectedHervoyel is a quality contributor and well respectedHervoyel is a quality contributor and well respectedHervoyel is a quality contributor and well respectedHervoyel is a quality contributor and well respectedHervoyel is a quality contributor and well respectedHervoyel is a quality contributor and well respectedHervoyel is a quality contributor and well respectedHervoyel is a quality contributor and well respectedHervoyel is a quality contributor and well respectedHervoyel is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Roc Carmichael CB

I think that as bad as McCain has been the fact that Roc (and Brandon Harris) can't seem to vault past him says volumes. If he can't put Brice McCain on the bench then he's about to be looking at life after football in the very near future.
__________________
A wise man once said "...well at this point it's all been hashed out and you either see it or don't. Hoping for a win next week" - HTown2ATX
Hervoyel is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored links
Old 09-12-2013   #8
thunderkyss 
& so it begins
 
thunderkyss's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Texas
Age: 42
Posts: 33,345
Rep Power: 195251 thunderkyss is a quality contributor and well respectedthunderkyss is a quality contributor and well respectedthunderkyss is a quality contributor and well respectedthunderkyss is a quality contributor and well respectedthunderkyss is a quality contributor and well respectedthunderkyss is a quality contributor and well respectedthunderkyss is a quality contributor and well respectedthunderkyss is a quality contributor and well respectedthunderkyss is a quality contributor and well respectedthunderkyss is a quality contributor and well respectedthunderkyss is a quality contributor and well respected
Send a message via Yahoo to thunderkyss
Default Re: Roc Carmichael CB

Quote:
Originally Posted by Porky View Post
In short, we are screwed.
I hear what you're saying. But I like that we are still looking & bringing in guys who can push guys like Roc down the list. Same thing we're doing at WR. I wish we had the kind of depth we know we need..... it's coming.
__________________
thunderkyss is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-12-2013   #9
Texan_Bill 
Subscribed Contributor
 
Texan_Bill's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Houston. Mediocrity Lives Here!!
Section: Bull Pen!!
Age: 47
Posts: 48,108
Rep Power: 102753 Texan_Bill is a quality contributor and well respectedTexan_Bill is a quality contributor and well respectedTexan_Bill is a quality contributor and well respectedTexan_Bill is a quality contributor and well respectedTexan_Bill is a quality contributor and well respectedTexan_Bill is a quality contributor and well respectedTexan_Bill is a quality contributor and well respectedTexan_Bill is a quality contributor and well respectedTexan_Bill is a quality contributor and well respectedTexan_Bill is a quality contributor and well respectedTexan_Bill is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Roc Carmichael CB

Meh... I had higher hopes for him.

That said, for a 4th round pick, and for the time being having him for some "depth" could be worse.
__________________
We SUCK AGAIN!
Texan_Bill is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-13-2013   #10
ObsiWan
Contributor
 
ObsiWan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: League City, Tx
Age: 62
Posts: 12,750
Rep Power: 173167 ObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respectedObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respectedObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respectedObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respectedObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respectedObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respectedObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respectedObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respectedObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respectedObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respectedObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Roc Carmichael CB

Roc must be producing on S/Ts or he wouldn't still be around.

At least that's what I'd like to think....
ObsiWan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-13-2013   #11
thunderkyss 
& so it begins
 
thunderkyss's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Texas
Age: 42
Posts: 33,345
Rep Power: 195251 thunderkyss is a quality contributor and well respectedthunderkyss is a quality contributor and well respectedthunderkyss is a quality contributor and well respectedthunderkyss is a quality contributor and well respectedthunderkyss is a quality contributor and well respectedthunderkyss is a quality contributor and well respectedthunderkyss is a quality contributor and well respectedthunderkyss is a quality contributor and well respectedthunderkyss is a quality contributor and well respectedthunderkyss is a quality contributor and well respectedthunderkyss is a quality contributor and well respected
Send a message via Yahoo to thunderkyss
Default Re: Roc Carmichael CB

Quote:
Originally Posted by ObsiWan View Post
Roc must be producing on S/Ts or he wouldn't still be around.

At least that's what I'd like to think....
I thought he was one of the better ST players. But, can't play ST from the practice squad.
__________________
thunderkyss is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-13-2013   #12
ObsiWan
Contributor
 
ObsiWan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: League City, Tx
Age: 62
Posts: 12,750
Rep Power: 173167 ObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respectedObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respectedObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respectedObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respectedObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respectedObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respectedObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respectedObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respectedObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respectedObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respectedObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Roc Carmichael CB

Quote:
Originally Posted by thunderkyss View Post
I thought he was one of the better ST players. But, can't play ST from the practice squad.
Oh well..... So much for that idea.
ObsiWan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-13-2013   #13
False Start
On # 69
 
False Start's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Waiting For the Turning Point!
Section: 420
Posts: 12,623
Rep Power: 64065 False Start is a quality contributor and well respectedFalse Start is a quality contributor and well respectedFalse Start is a quality contributor and well respectedFalse Start is a quality contributor and well respectedFalse Start is a quality contributor and well respectedFalse Start is a quality contributor and well respectedFalse Start is a quality contributor and well respectedFalse Start is a quality contributor and well respectedFalse Start is a quality contributor and well respectedFalse Start is a quality contributor and well respectedFalse Start is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Roc Carmichael CB

BAP
__________________

RIP DIMEBAG DARRELL - 1966-2004 - GETCHA PULL!

CLIFF BURTON 1962-1986 - CLIFF EM' ALL!
WINTERFELL - BECAUSE STANNIS PUSHED IT
False Start is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-13-2013   #14
ObsiWan
Contributor
 
ObsiWan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: League City, Tx
Age: 62
Posts: 12,750
Rep Power: 173167 ObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respectedObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respectedObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respectedObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respectedObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respectedObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respectedObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respectedObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respectedObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respectedObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respectedObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Roc Carmichael CB

Quote:
Originally Posted by False Start View Post
BAP
???
ObsiWan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-13-2013   #15
badboy
Site Contributor
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Clear Lake
Posts: 22,759
Rep Power: 128525 badboy is a quality contributor and well respectedbadboy is a quality contributor and well respectedbadboy is a quality contributor and well respectedbadboy is a quality contributor and well respectedbadboy is a quality contributor and well respectedbadboy is a quality contributor and well respectedbadboy is a quality contributor and well respectedbadboy is a quality contributor and well respectedbadboy is a quality contributor and well respectedbadboy is a quality contributor and well respectedbadboy is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Roc Carmichael CB

Quote:
Originally Posted by Porky View Post
I think he's on the edge of being gone, gone, gone. He has to pick it up this year, or he'll be flipping burgers at Mickey D's about next August.

Our secondary is pretty strong at the top, and drops off the edge of the earth after that. I actually thought we'd be deep and talented, but watching McCain all preseason and on to game one has me worried. He looks like a shell of the player he was in 2011. Not sure what's happened.

Then you have Roc, who was just plain awful. Brandon Harris - a guy we invested a valuable draft choice in - still cannot find the field with a compass and a keymap.

AJ Bouye is an undrafted youngster with an unknown future. It would be fools gold to rely on him for 2014. He may turn out to be good...but that's like waiting on Jlo to give you a lap dance. The odds are low.

JJo (not JLo) may be too expensive to keep next year unless he has an all-pro season and so far, I'm not convinced. He's playing decently, but not like 2011...yet.

In short, we are screwed.
I am sorry but could you restate your position? All I saw was JLo, lap dance and screwed.
__________________
I want to be able to recognize the difference between a "want" and a "need" and then I want to be satisfied with getting a need
badboy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-13-2013   #16
badboy
Site Contributor
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Clear Lake
Posts: 22,759
Rep Power: 128525 badboy is a quality contributor and well respectedbadboy is a quality contributor and well respectedbadboy is a quality contributor and well respectedbadboy is a quality contributor and well respectedbadboy is a quality contributor and well respectedbadboy is a quality contributor and well respectedbadboy is a quality contributor and well respectedbadboy is a quality contributor and well respectedbadboy is a quality contributor and well respectedbadboy is a quality contributor and well respectedbadboy is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Roc Carmichael CB

Quote:
Originally Posted by Corrosion View Post
He made some solid plays against lesser competition in the last preseason game ..... did the same things last preseason too ..... but that has never translated into regular season production. His technique has been solid against that lesser competition .... he hasn't been able to execute that same technique against higher competition.


I think what has been proven is that .... he can perform against lesser completion but isn't quite NFL caliber.
Yeah and it seems like he knows he is on the bubble and plays "up" for his last shot. It worked last season but did not this time. I was not expecting him to be a starter but a solid fill in.
__________________
I want to be able to recognize the difference between a "want" and a "need" and then I want to be satisfied with getting a need
badboy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-13-2013   #17
False Start
On # 69
 
False Start's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Waiting For the Turning Point!
Section: 420
Posts: 12,623
Rep Power: 64065 False Start is a quality contributor and well respectedFalse Start is a quality contributor and well respectedFalse Start is a quality contributor and well respectedFalse Start is a quality contributor and well respectedFalse Start is a quality contributor and well respectedFalse Start is a quality contributor and well respectedFalse Start is a quality contributor and well respectedFalse Start is a quality contributor and well respectedFalse Start is a quality contributor and well respectedFalse Start is a quality contributor and well respectedFalse Start is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Roc Carmichael CB

Quote:
Originally Posted by ObsiWan View Post
???
Its his thing on Twitter. It stands s for Bless All People. He has all kinds of things he sells with the BAP logo on it.
__________________

RIP DIMEBAG DARRELL - 1966-2004 - GETCHA PULL!

CLIFF BURTON 1962-1986 - CLIFF EM' ALL!
WINTERFELL - BECAUSE STANNIS PUSHED IT
False Start is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-13-2013   #18
hradhak
Site Contributor
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 1,531
Rep Power: 6498 hradhak is a quality contributor and well respectedhradhak is a quality contributor and well respectedhradhak is a quality contributor and well respectedhradhak is a quality contributor and well respectedhradhak is a quality contributor and well respectedhradhak is a quality contributor and well respectedhradhak is a quality contributor and well respectedhradhak is a quality contributor and well respectedhradhak is a quality contributor and well respectedhradhak is a quality contributor and well respectedhradhak is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Roc Carmichael CB

I think a 4th rounder is less of a bust than the 2nd rounder with Brandon Harris. Not sure that Carmichael will ever be a solid NFL player. If he hasn't shown it by now don't think it will ever come out.
hradhak is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-13-2013   #19
Brandon420tx
Flounder
 
Brandon420tx's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Albuquerque, NM
Age: 26
Posts: 4,069
Rep Power: 12627 Brandon420tx is a quality contributor and well respectedBrandon420tx is a quality contributor and well respectedBrandon420tx is a quality contributor and well respectedBrandon420tx is a quality contributor and well respectedBrandon420tx is a quality contributor and well respectedBrandon420tx is a quality contributor and well respectedBrandon420tx is a quality contributor and well respectedBrandon420tx is a quality contributor and well respectedBrandon420tx is a quality contributor and well respectedBrandon420tx is a quality contributor and well respectedBrandon420tx is a quality contributor and well respected
Send a message via AIM to Brandon420tx
Default Re: Roc Carmichael CB

I thought he was on the practice squad not the roster. People seem to be talking about him like he's playing
__________________
New more casual style goalline blitz game
http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/signup?ref=66361
Brandon420tx is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-14-2013   #20
Wolf6151
Hall of Fame
 
Wolf6151's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Pearland, Texas
Posts: 3,296
Rep Power: 27437 Wolf6151 is a quality contributor and well respectedWolf6151 is a quality contributor and well respectedWolf6151 is a quality contributor and well respectedWolf6151 is a quality contributor and well respectedWolf6151 is a quality contributor and well respectedWolf6151 is a quality contributor and well respectedWolf6151 is a quality contributor and well respectedWolf6151 is a quality contributor and well respectedWolf6151 is a quality contributor and well respectedWolf6151 is a quality contributor and well respectedWolf6151 is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Roc Carmichael CB

Roc showed promise and raw potential 2 yrs. ago and with Vance Joseph as our D-back Coach I really thought he'd mature into a good player. I didn't think he'd ever be a #1 CB but maybe a good #2, nickle, or at least quality depth but it seems that was wishful thinking. I trust Vance Joseph to develope players and if he can't get Roc to improve in 3 yrs. then I just don't think it's going to happen. The same might be true for Brandon Harris since he hasn't been able to beat out McCain at nickle, but I think Harris might have some potential at Safety if he doesn't work out at CB. It's really a shame because I had hopes for Roc, but after 3 yrs. it's time to make a clean cut and move on.

This is why I've moved CB up to #2 on my list of needs for the 2014 draft.

Last edited by Wolf6151; 09-14-2013 at 02:45 AM.
Wolf6151 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Go Back   Houston Texans Message Board & Forum - TexansTalk.com > The Great Fans of the Houston Texans > Texans Talk
Home Forums Register FAQ Members List Calendar Mark Forums Read


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:36 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Ad Management by RedTyger