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Old 02-19-2014   #61
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Yep, pretty much every attempt in the two to three drafts to fill some need has pretty much flopped (or is no better than neutral). In most positions, the Texans did have a plan pretty much on every current weakness and in a couple cases have invested pretty well in picks (see OLb) or money (see safety).
A crappy plan if an injured Ed Reed and a lazy Montgomery are the plan.

I can garuntee you that if a franchise misses more than it hits on top 100 picks that franchise will have a losing record. Franchises that hit on those picks are usually playoff teams. I mean Seattles secondary was built on picks after 100. Sherman/Browner/Chancellor/Maxwell.
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A crappy plan if an injured Ed Reed and a lazy Montgomery are the plan.

I can garuntee you that if a franchise misses more than it hits on top 100 picks that franchise will have a losing record. Franchises that hit on those picks are usually playoff teams. I mean Seattles secondary was built on picks after 100. Sherman/Browner/Chancellor/Maxwell.
Well, duh...and there were plenty people who questioned this approach at the of the signings/draft.
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A crappy plan if an injured Ed Reed and a lazy Montgomery are the plan.

I can garuntee you that if a franchise misses more than it hits on top 100 picks that franchise will have a losing record. Franchises that hit on those picks are usually playoff teams. I mean Seattles secondary was built on picks after 100. Sherman/Browner/Chancellor/Maxwell.
Earl Thomas was a 1st round pick, But the Seahawks scheme isn't based on a CB 40 time so that allows them to find guys that fit their scheme late in the draft.
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Saw this article about the possible compensatory picks for all the eligible NFL teams and they had Houston getting 2 extra 5th rounders. I was hoping for a 4th but I guess the 2 in the 5th is not too bad. Make sure you scroll down to the section that shows who each team lost and what they gained. It'll help with how they came to their conclusions. Here's the link. http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...,d.b2I&cad=rja

If that's the way it turns out who do you hope the Texans get with those 2 extra picks?
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Saw this article about the possible compensatory picks for all the eligible NFL teams and they had Houston getting 2 extra 5th rounders. I was hoping for a 4th but I guess the 2 in the 5th is not too bad. Make sure you scroll down to the section that shows who each team lost and what they gained. It'll help with how they came to their conclusions. Here's the link. http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...,d.b2I&cad=rja

If that's the way it turns out who do you hope the Texans get with those 2 extra picks?
Houston
Lost: Barwin ($6m), Casey ($4.8m), Quin ($4.7m), Forsett ($1m), Ball ($1m), D. Jones ($905k)
Signed: Reed ($5m), Lechler ($1.8m), G. Jones ($1m)

Read more at http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/r...mCidMpQ6qp7.99

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Barwin ($6m), Casey ($4.8m), Quin ($4.7m), Forsett ($1m), Ball ($1m), D. Jones ($905k)
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Reed ($5m), Lechler ($1.8m), G. Jones ($1m)

So Reed cancels out Quin and Lechler / Jones cancel out Forsett, Ball, and D. Jones. That leaves Casey and Barwin unaccounted for...

Two picks sounds about right.

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Lost: Barwin ($6m), Casey ($4.8m), Quin ($4.7m), Forsett ($1m), Ball ($1m), D. Jones ($905k)
Signed: Reed ($5m), Lechler ($1.8m), G. Jones ($1m)


Last year, Atlanta received a 4th round pick (pick #133) as compensation for Curtis Lofton. Lofton had signed a contract with the Saints that averaged $5.5 million/year. Barwin received a contract from the Eagles that averaged $6 million/year. So why would Barwin only be valued at a 5th compensation? I think the Texans get a 4th for Barwin and a 5th for Quin.
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Last year, Atlanta received a 4th round pick (pick #133) as compensation for Curtis Lofton. Lofton had signed a contract with the Saints that averaged $5.5 million/year. Barwin received a contract from the Eagles that averaged $6 million/year. So why would Barwin only be valued at a 5th compensation? I think the Texans get a 4th for Barwin and a 5th for Quin.
Depends on who was signed.
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Depends on who was signed.
How so?
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How so?
The value of comp picks I believe is based on a formula relating to free agents signed minus free agents lost. Based on size of contract and maybe playing time even.
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The value of comp picks I believe is based on a formula relating to free agents signed minus free agents lost. Based on size of contract and maybe playing time even.
Yes. The Texan lost a net 2 free agents.

Lost:
Barwin ($6m), Casey ($4.8m), Quin ($4.7m), Forsett ($1m), Ball ($1m), D. Jones ($905k)
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Reed ($5m), Lechler ($1.8m), G. Jones ($1m)


Casey, Quin, and Reed would carry 5th round compensation. So Reed would cancel out Casey. Lechler and Greg Jones would cancel out Forsett and Ball. The blog would imply that Donnie Jones contract would not qualify for compensation. That leaves Barwin (4th) and Quin (5th) as the net plus 2 FAs in my estimation.
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Houston
Lost: Barwin ($6m), Casey ($4.8m), Quin ($4.7m), Forsett ($1m), Ball ($1m), D. Jones ($905k)
Signed: Reed ($5m), Lechler ($1.8m), G. Jones ($1m)

Read more at http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/r...mCidMpQ6qp7.99

Lost
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Barwin ($6m), Casey ($4.8m), Quin ($4.7m), Forsett ($1m), Ball ($1m), D. Jones ($905k)
Signed:
Reed ($5m), Lechler ($1.8m), G. Jones ($1m)

So Reed cancels out Quin and Lechler / Jones cancel out Forsett, Ball, and D. Jones. That leaves Casey and Barwin unaccounted for...

Two picks sounds about right.

That blog you linked actually says that the Texans would be eligible for a 7th net loss pick, but since there are more than 32 projected compensatory picks, the Texans will miss the cutoff. That may be the case, but just wanted to point out that Houston should qualify for a 7th as well.
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Yes. The Texan lost a net 2 free agents.

Lost:
Barwin ($6m), Casey ($4.8m), Quin ($4.7m), Forsett ($1m), Ball ($1m), D. Jones ($905k)
Signed:
Reed ($5m), Lechler ($1.8m), G. Jones ($1m)


Casey, Quin, and Reed would carry 5th round compensation. So Reed would cancel out Casey. Lechler and Greg Jones would cancel out Forsett and Ball. The blog would imply that Donnie Jones contract would not qualify for compensation. That leaves Barwin (4th) and Quin (5th) as the net plus 2 FAs in my estimation.
Man it just gets me that Quin only got 4.7 and Reed was signed for 5 mil.

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Man it just gets me that Quin only got 4.7 and Reed was signed for 5 mil.

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Yep. We let a 27-year old above average starter walk and signed a 36-year old on the down side of his career. For more money. He also had an injury that we apparently were not aware of and missed the entire offseason and preseason programs. What a botch of a move. I'll never understand that one.
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Yep. We let a 27-year old above average starter walk and signed a 36-year old on the down side of his career. For more money. He also had an injury that we apparently were not aware of and missed the entire offseason and preseason programs. What a botch of a move. I'll never understand that one.
The crazy thing about all that is that Quin's contract makes him cheaper than 4.7m APY. The total deal is worth 23.5 million over 5 years, but the team can cut him after year 3 is complete for a total cost of 13.75 million, or 4.583m a year. Whereas the Texans gave Ed Reed 3 years 15 million total, and ended up paying him a little over 5 million for his 1 year of service.

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The crazy thing about all that is that Quin's contract makes him cheaper than 4.7m APY. The total deal is worth 23.5 million over 5 years, but the team can cut him after year 3 is complete for a total cost of 13.75 million, or 4.583m a year. Whereas the Texans gave Ed Reed 3 years 15 million total, and ended up paying him a little over 5 million for his 1 year of service.

http://www.overthecap.com/cap.php?Na...n=S&Team=Lions
Just completely ridiculous. That kind of move screams incompetence to me.
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Just completely ridiculous. That kind of move screams incompetence to me.
That move screamed they believed they really were 1 player away and took a huge gamble on experience/leadership which failed miserably. Turns out sometimes age means stuck in his ways and he was counterproductive on and off the field.
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The value of comp picks I believe is based on a formula relating to free agents signed minus free agents lost. Based on size of contract and maybe playing time even.
It is a complicated formula that not even NFL GMs know or understand. Your comments are on the right track. In addition, the formula also includes when the lost FA was drafted, playing time, what individual awards they achieved, new contract value, etc. Comp picks in the past have usually been announced at the league's annual meeting, March 23-26 this year.
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That move screamed they believed they really were 1 player away and took a huge gamble on experience/leadership which failed miserably. Turns out sometimes age means stuck in his ways and he was counterproductive on and off the field.
Even if that was the case, Quin certainly wasn't the "one player" they needed to upgrade to become a contender. Anyone with half a brain could figure out our biggest weaknesses on defense were OLB, ILB and DT.
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Even if that was the case, Quin certainly wasn't the "one player" they needed to upgrade to become a contender. Anyone with half a brain could figure out our biggest weaknesses on defense were OLB, ILB and DT.
I don't think the on field play was the focus of signing Reed. I think they hoped he would be close to the same level as Quin on the field but they believed the team lacked experience and focus to get over the hump in the playoffs and that is where they became fascinated with Reed.

I'm criticizing them just as much for the signing as you. I just think the greater failing was not his health but research on how helpful he would be in the clubhouse. Handswarmer warned he wouldn't be the locker room guy they were shooting for.
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Yep. We let a 27-year old above average starter walk and signed a 36-year old on the down side of his career. For more money. He also had an injury that we apparently were not aware of and missed the entire offseason and preseason programs. What a botch of a move. I'll never understand that one.
I was so against not resigning Quin, he was extremely valuable in our defense. I don't think that move can be blamed on Kubiak. I'm looking at you Rick Smith.
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