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Old 09-05-2013   #41
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All hope is not lost - reports now that the Texans are considering a
possible return for Q during the current season. Something called an IR status with a special designation giving a team for a single player might be an option to activate a guy during the season after an initial IR declaration. But they still want to further evaluate Q medically speaking, but maybe a ray of hope for Q for 2013 ? It's on twitter per Tania Gangulia.
Good; he can be an insurance policy for WadeSmith.
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I don't think we want to use the Designated To Return for a backup lineman unless we were expecting him to take over for Wade Smith/Ben Jones at some point this year.
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I don't think we want to use the Designated To Return for a backup lineman unless we were expecting him to take over for Wade Smith/Ben Jones at some point this year.
We're thin at Guard.
At what other position do we have a guy on IR that might be useful?
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I don't think we want to use the Designated To Return for a backup lineman unless we were expecting him to take over for Wade Smith/Ben Jones at some point this year.
That is certainly the current wisdom. If Qess is placed on IRDTR, it will have to be done at the same time that he is placed on IR, which will have to be soon.

My feeling is that if the Texans IRDTR Quess, they don't expect Wade Smith to hold up (and possibly even Newton), and they are are admitting desperation. You would more expect an IRDTR to be assigned to (heaven forbid) a major injury to a player like Brown or Watt.
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We're thin at Guard.
At what other position do we have a guy on IR that might be useful?
I don't believe that you can retrograde a player placed on IR prior to Sept. 4 to IRDTR status.
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FWIW, Quess had surgery (no details so far) yesterday.
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I had this argument last year and I don't get saving the irdtr tag for an "important" player.

2 things, what does the importance of the player have to do with anything? It's the saving of a roster spot for a few weeks that is what is needed.

Also, if that other injury never comes then you excluded a guy that could have been useful.

Worse case is if you have another injury to a guy you want to bring back and not put on IR, then you lose a 53 man roster spot. You still get the same amount of game day spots, except that player is now inactive.

Now, I get it if you have two or more injuries at the same time later on...then it becomes a case of either IR a guy to save a roster spot or keep them both on the 53 while they recover.

But if quess can return then this is exactly what the IRdtr was meant for. To basically hold an extra spot for a guy until healthy.

If Watt gets an injury that's going to keep him out 2 months in week 3, you aren't going to IR him for the year. You'll keep him on the active roster and you'll just activate one of those guys that's not normally active on game days and you'll sit Watt. Same number of game day players. 1 less healthy body on the 53.
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Duane Brown just said, sorry, was quoted as saying, on Austin 1300 The Zone the Quessenberry "played with a little nasty to him."

I miss him a little more now.
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We're thin at Guard.
At what other position do we have a guy on IR that might be useful?
The question shouldn't be "At what other position do we have a guy on IR that might be useful?"; the question should be "Is there anyone else on the team who may go down that we might want to stash on IR for a few weeks while they heal?" AJ, Schaub, Foster, Tate, Brown, Cushing, Watt, Antonio Smith, JJo, KJ, Either Reed, Myers, ...

All of those guys are guys I'd prefer to be able to bring back over a backup offensive lineman.

I've got no problem with leaving the option open with Q but Q's not high on my list of guys that I'd want to bring back if injured.
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The question shouldn't be "At what other position do we have a guy on IR that might be useful?"; the question should be "Is there anyone else on the team who may go down that we might want to stash on IR for a few weeks while they heal?" AJ, Schaub, Foster, Tate, Brown, Cushing, Watt, Antonio Smith, JJo, KJ, Either Reed, Myers, ...

All of those guys are guys I'd prefer to be able to bring back over a backup offensive lineman.

I've got no problem with leaving the option open with Q but Q's not high on my list of guys that I'd want to bring back if injured.
That doesn't make any sense.

When Andre got hurt a few years ago and then returned late in the season there was no irdtr.

You just do what teams have always done - keep them on the 53 and activate someone else on game days.

Timing and maybe saving it for a time when you could possibly have multiple injuries makes more sense. The caliber of player you use it on is not really relevant. It's the extra roster spot you get while your guy heals that matters.

If they think quess can come back this year and help, they could just keep him on the 53 and lose the roster spot or irdtr him and gain an "extra" roster spot.
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I had this argument last year and I don't get saving the irdtr tag for an "important" player.

2 things, what does the importance of the player have to do with anything? It's the saving of a roster spot for a few weeks that is what is needed.

Also, if that other injury never comes then you excluded a guy that could have been useful.

Worse case is if you have another injury to a guy you want to bring back and not put on IR, then you lose a 53 man roster spot. You still get the same amount of game day spots, except that player is now inactive.

Now, I get it if you have two or more injuries at the same time later on...then it becomes a case of either IR a guy to save a roster spot or keep them both on the 53 while they recover.

But if quess can return then this is exactly what the IRdtr was meant for. To basically hold an extra spot for a guy until healthy.

If Watt gets an injury that's going to keep him out 2 months in week 3, you aren't going to IR him for the year. You'll keep him on the active roster and you'll just activate one of those guys that's not normally active on game days and you'll sit Watt. Same number of game day players. 1 less healthy body on the 53.
And the bolded is the point. Q is a backup lineman at this point. I like the guy. And we can put him on the IR with the designation for return. No problem with that.

But more people are going to get injured. Several of those guys could be important guys. And we might be up against the wall if we try to carry them all for the entirety of the season on the regular roster. If one of those guys gets into that situation, then they make a lot more sense to stash and bring back.
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And the bolded is the point. Q is a backup lineman at this point. I like the guy. And we can put him on the IR with the designation for return. No problem with that.

But more people are going to get injured. Several of those guys could be important guys. And we might be up against the wall if we try to carry them all for the entirety of the season on the regular roster. If one of those guys gets into that situation, then they make a lot more sense to stash and bring back.
The importance of the player is not relevant.

And if you have several top players injured at once, being able to gain one extra roster spot isn't t going to help.

If quess can come back later he's a good candidate for the tag.

Importance of player doesn't matter though. Lets say Schaub and keo got hurt. Keo was going to be out two month...Schaub a month and a half.

You'd use the tag on keo to get that extra roster spot since Schaub would be back more quickly.
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And the bolded is the point. Q is a backup lineman at this point. I like the guy. And we can put him on the IR with the designation for return. No problem with that.
Broken foot sounds bad to me. Thinking about putting him on IR sounds bad to me.

Back up lineman doesn't sound good enough to me. Rookie out of San Jose St. doesn't sound good enough to me.

I like the kid & I'm looking forward to his development on this team, but I've seen Wade Smith play on a bum ankle, Myers & Brisiel too. We're watching Newton play on a gimpy knee.

I don't see how Q can come back & help this team with a bum foot. IR him, get him ready for 2014, sign Menkins to the 53, tell him it's time to sht or get off the pot. & just like Newton, we're going to be hoping the Texans don't count on him being the player he was, but draft an OLman to shore their bets.

I wonder if Ryan Harris can play tackle?

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The importance of the player is not relevant.
Did you just learn "relevant" because you have been running around throwing it down?

Anyway the importance of the player most certainly makes a difference, i.e. is relevant. If this was Arian Foster you slap it on him no questions asked. With Pleasant or some other easily replaceable off the street player you aren't going to risk that you need it later on someone more important to have back.
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Did you just learn "relevant" because you have been running around throwing it down?

Anyway the importance of the player most certainly makes a difference, i.e. is relevant. If this was Arian Foster you slap it on him no questions asked. With Pleasant or some other easily replaceable off the street player you aren't going to risk that you need it later on someone more important to have back.
Disagree.

If they think pleasant can help them this year they'd use it on him.

If they think a player is easily replaceable, then they shouldn't be on the 53. So if they have throw away players that they really don't think can help them anyways and they can just grab a guy and replace them, then shame on them.

Importance of the player is not relevant. If they have throw away players on the roster (shouldn't be the case) then yeah...they ditch them.
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Disagree.

If they think pleasant can help them this year they'd use it on him.

If they think a player is easily replaceable, then they shouldn't be on the 53. So if they have throw away players that they really don't think can help them anyways and they can just grab a guy and replace them, then shame on them.

Importance of the player is not relevant. If they have throw away players on the roster (shouldn't be the case) then yeah...they ditch them.
Then coming up with some examples of back end of the roster guys having it used on them should be easy. Knock yourself out.
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Hope he gets well soon. I think he will be our starting LG next season.
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Then coming up with some examples of back end of the roster guys having it used on them should be easy. Knock yourself out.

Do you just say stuff?

Danny Gorrer. CB for the bucks. He's been on like six teams in 4 years.


Now How about you show me some situations where it made sense for a team to do so, but didn't because the player wasn't important enough.
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Danny Gorrer. CB for the bucks. He's been on like six teams in 4 years.
Doesn't matter what he was on other teams. Gorrer was expected to play a much bigger role in Tampa this season.

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Well the Texans have already chosen not to use it 3 times so far this season - Bonner, Lemon, Trevardo and may do so again with Q who is the one most likely to contribute this season and they still may not use it on him. Look around the league at who is getting the designation, it is mainline players - Vilma, Spaeth, Pitta.
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