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Old 02-22-2014   #1881
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Im as high on Smith as anyone , accept maybe you and SteelBTexan .... but I wouldn't expect Smith to be more than a two to three year project at this point.
Bridgewater , Manziel , Bortles , & Mettenberger (pending the knee) are the only 4 I believe are ready to take NFL snaps right out of the gate.
Brett Smith is my unapologetic dark horse in this race, much the same as Nick Foles was a couple of years ago.

I'm not saying that the Texans should pass on Bridgewater for smith...not by a long shot, but I'm starting to lean towards taking two QBs in this draft, depending on the value they're able to snag at other positions.

Having said that, more than any years this is a difficult one to mock/predict. Not only does O'Brian, in my opinion, must partner with a QB early - in this case Bridgewater - but also Rick Smith is picking to keep his job.

I think Bortles and Mettenberger, though - too a lesser extent Mettenberger - are just as much projects as Smith. I'm not sold on Bortles...which means absolutely nothing! HA!
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Brett Smith is my unapologetic dark horse in this race, much the same as Nick Foles was a couple of years ago.

I'm not saying that the Texans should pass on Bridgewater for smith...not by a long shot, but I'm starting to lean towards taking two QBs in this draft, depending on the value they're able to snag at other positions.

Having said that, more than any years this is a difficult one to mock/predict. Not only does O'Brian, in my opinion, must partner with a QB early - in this case Bridgewater - but also Rick Smith is picking to keep his job.

I think Bortles and Mettenberger, though - too a lesser extent Mettenberger - are just as much projects as Smith. I'm not sold on Bortles...which means absolutely nothing! HA!
I definitely wouldn't be against taking two QB's in this draft - one of Manziel and Bridgewater early then Smith in the 5th / 6th round.
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I definitely wouldn't be against taking two QB's in this draft - one of Manziel and Bridgewater early then Smith in the 5th / 6th round.
I don't see the point of spending 2 draft picks on QBs. Picking up another as a UDFA for a camp arm, OK. But are you really going to carry 2 rookie QBs on the roster? Not likely.
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I don't see the point of spending 2 draft picks on QBs. Picking up another as a UDFA for a camp arm, OK. But are you really going to carry 2 rookie QBs on the roster? Not likely.
Depends on what you got in your stable & what happens in FA. If the league prices us out of the FA market (ie McCown, Freeman get $8M contracts) & you don't feel good about any of Schwab, Yates, Keenum. Why not?



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Thought you were joking the 1st time. For Manziel delaying was cool because he wanted more time to prepare but TB is "scare red."
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Why go to the combine and not participate?
If you're invited you pretty much have to go or else you'll get crucified for not doing measurements.

Top guys skip the events every year and everybody freaks out. I don't think it's a big deal.

People overreact to the combine in a huge way. It can hurt you just as easily as it can help you if you have a bad day. I'd rather be judged on what I've done on the field, to be honest.

The original purpose of the combine was medical evaluations and interviews. As long as you still go through that you're okay in my book.
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Can I get several responses, both pro and con, as to the kind of presence Bridgewater had in the huddle and on the sideline? I've seen clips of Manziel being a firebrand, pumping up and inspiring his teammates. My impression is that Bridgewater doesn't seem to have this strong of a motivating personality. I could be wrong which is why I'm asking.
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Can I get several responses, both pro and con, as to the kind of presence Bridgewater had in the huddle and on the sideline? I've seen clips of Manziel being a firebrand, pumping up and inspiring his teammates. My impression is that Bridgewater doesn't seem to have this strong of a motivating personality. I could be wrong which is why I'm asking.
Manziel's personality is definitely more overbearing.

To me, Bridgewater seems like a guy who doesn't get too high or too low. Always keeps his emotions in check.

I prefer the latter to be honest. I know that's not popular around here, considering the QBs we've had in the past.

High school and college kids respond to Manziel's style of leadership, no doubt about it. I feel it's cheesy for the pros. I really don't think a 10 year vet is going to get pumped up by Manziel running around and yelling.

Confidence is the most important thing. The other guys have to honestly believe that you can win the game no matter what the situation is. I think all of the top three have that working for them. They all exude that confidence.
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I don't see the point of spending 2 draft picks on QBs. Picking up another as a UDFA for a camp arm, OK. But are you really going to carry 2 rookie QBs on the roster? Not likely.
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Depends on what you got in your stable & what happens in FA. If the league prices us out of the FA market (ie McCown, Freeman get $8M contracts) & you don't feel good about any of Schwab, Yates, Keenum. Why not?
I think TK answered the question well.


I'll just add that its not just the price of potential FA's but the fact that this class of FA QB's is void of talent. I've posted the list of FA's a few times , I can say without a doubt that I wouldn't want a single one of them on my roster with the one exception possibly being Vick.


It all boils down to how you evaluate Yates & Keenum who are going to be cheaper than any FA ($692k for Yates , $495k for Keenum) and will probably offer you just as much on the field as any of the potential FA's. Do one or both fit your scheme ?! If only one , then taking a late round flyer on a QB isn't such a waste of a roster spot.

You also have the option of hiding that late round QB by not giving him exposure in the preseason and stashing him on the practice squad.

A 5th-7th round pick isn't much of a risk in this situation when the position is in such dire straights.
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Can I get several responses, both pro and con, as to the kind of presence Bridgewater had in the huddle and on the sideline? I've seen clips of Manziel being a firebrand, pumping up and inspiring his teammates. My impression is that Bridgewater doesn't seem to have this strong of a motivating personality. I could be wrong which is why I'm asking.
Manziel is definitely louder and more demonstrative. TB is more quiet and businesslike - steadying. I think you would have to talk to the teammates for who inspires or is more effective. Some fans only appreciate brash and obvious because they can see it but it isn't always the most effective. Basically I think it is guesswork unless some kind of inside info leaks out.
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Can I get several responses, both pro and con, as to the kind of presence Bridgewater had in the huddle and on the sideline? I've seen clips of Manziel being a firebrand, pumping up and inspiring his teammates. My impression is that Bridgewater doesn't seem to have this strong of a motivating personality. I could be wrong which is why I'm asking.
If you ask Louisville coaches or players they dispute that he's not a fiery leader. His OC at Louisville laughed at that assertion in an interview a while back. They just have different personalities and that carries over to the way they interact with their teammates.

IMO, Bridgewater just carries his persona in a different manner. There are pros and cons to both styles. Manziel seems to have the Brady-esque fiery leadership style. Bridgewater seems to have the Manning-esque more calm and collected leadership style. They both work if the guy can lead.
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I've played with guys who were loud and "fiery" that could get you hyped up and I've played with guys who could say one mono tone sentence and get you fired up. The thing is, if you are a good player and you decide to say something before the game, people are going to listen. You can't suck or be in a bad stretch of sucking and go with the same method you've been using to motivate.

Tbh, most of the better qb's I've seen or known have had a fairly even personality but would have bursts of fire.
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I'll just add that its not just the price of potential FA's but the fact that this class of FA QB's is void of talent.
I don't buy that. At least in terms of relating their talent to what would be available late in the draft.

The Texans will bring in a veteran QB. You need that in the meeting room and the practice field to help a young QB. One of the guys left on the roster may or may not make the roster. I think either would be available for trade (if there's a market). But you're asking the staff to spend time coaching up and getting reps to 2 rookies. On a 2-14 team that needs to find LBs, DBs, and probably a RB with those late picks. It doesn't even come close to making sense.

Again, if a guy like Smith (who wasn't invited to the combine) is undrafted, then sign him up as a UDFA. But if the Texans, or any of the other 31 NFL teams, thought he was that good, he would have gotten a combine invite. The last non-invite QB that did anything in the league I can remember was Matt Cassel (taken in the 7th by NE). Cassel would actually be a great FA pickup by the Texans.
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so the guy who claims to be the best QB of the draft is a cross dresser and refuses to throw or run while playing the weakest competition out of all the other qbs in question?

and this is the guy who you want to be our franchise qb?



Where the same posters who slagged Manziel for saying cocky things do the same for Bridgewater?
Its probably their manager telling them not to do it - be it because they are not throwing to players they know, or they are having one very minor injury that could cause a number to drop. I am disappointed by both of them, but it is not a big deal.

Bridgewater probably had a minor injury or sometihng like a cold today. He was announcing he were running, so I guess it was a last minute decision. His 40 time isn`t as important as Manziels, since he won`t do any designed runs anyways. But it would still be nice to have a comparison.
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Manziel's personality is definitely more overbearing.

To me, Bridgewater seems like a guy who doesn't get too high or too low. Always keeps his emotions in check.

I prefer the latter to be honest. I know that's not popular around here, considering the QBs we've had in the past.

High school and college kids respond to Manziel's style of leadership, no doubt about it. I feel it's cheesy for the pros. I really don't think a 10 year vet is going to get pumped up by Manziel running around and yelling.

Confidence is the most important thing. The other guys have to honestly believe that you can win the game no matter what the situation is. I think all of the top three have that working for them. They all exude that confidence.
I think your preference for a more "quiet" leader is off-target in the current NFL. Most of the top ones aren't the quiet types. Sure, rah-rah can be OVERdone, but having fire isn't a flaw.
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I think your preference for a more "quiet" leader is off-target in the current NFL. Most of the top ones aren't the quiet types. Sure, rah-rah can be OVERdone, but having fire isn't a flaw.
I don't mean that having fire is a flaw. And I don't mean that the QB should be a "quiet" leader. But I would prefer a guy who doesn't wear his emotions on his sleeve. In the end, it all comes down to whether the other guys in the huddle trust you or not. How you get there is just a matter of preference.
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I think your preference for a more "quiet" leader is off-target in the current NFL. Most of the top ones aren't the quiet types. Sure, rah-rah can be OVERdone, but having fire isn't a flaw.
I don't know about that. Sure, Peyton and Brady can get in your grill but there are a lot of other upper echelon QBs in the league who aren't rah-rah types and I don't even think Peyton is a rah-rah guy. Russell Wilson seems pretty even keel and Eli Manning has won 2 SBs even though he's known for being unflappable. I've never thought of Brees as being a rah-rah guy, either.
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To me, Bridgewater seems like a guy who doesn't get too high or too low. Always keeps his emotions in check...
There's something "fragile" I'm picking up with Bridgewater... need to see more, but that's what I'm getting from him. Not physically fragile.
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