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Old 02-02-2014   #1461
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In what way?

There are fair and honest criticisms against Bridgewater. And I have acknowledged them.

What I will argue against is when someone creates an unfair or dishonest argument against a player in an attempt to prop up "their guy".
If someone's evaluation of player is such that a players value and draft position drops that is NOT necessarily desperation.

FWIW - I gave Thunder a REP for making a very good, sound and solid argument. There was nothing in what I read that sounded anything like a statement reeking in desperation.
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What I will argue against is when someone creates an unfair or dishonest argument against a player in an attempt to prop up "their guy".
Understood.

But I don't have "a guy."

You won't see me argue that any one of these guys is any better than the other. I believe they've all got good resumes, strengths & weaknesses, & would support whatever decision OB/Smith/McNair decides will help the Texans most.

I've mentioned who my favorite is, I've mentioned how I would target a QB in the upcoming draft, & I've suggested how I would handle the draft.

I am most definitely not as invested in any of these guys as some others are.
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Great analyst and nice breakdown of each series. MSR.
super dumb question. I know, but what does MSR mean?

Does it have something do with messenger repped or something like that?

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I think you're using reverse psychology on folks and your letting them praise Teddy for you .
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He has a weird hitch in the fist circles, and why is he wearing gloves while doing this...
lol, he seems too thin while he's doing this. If he puts on another 20 pounds this would have looked way better.

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In what way?

There are fair and honest criticisms against Bridgewater. And I have acknowledged them.

What I will argue against is when someone creates an unfair or dishonest argument against a player in an attempt to prop up "their guy".
Don't bother. Texian is very knowledgeable, but when he picks a horse he just wildly swings at the other horses and backs everyone that does the same, even when they say something dumb AKA trolling.

Dude knows his stuff, but it's just a time suck to engage him about QBs in this year's draft class. Talk about any other position and he, like you, have very valid and great points.

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I don't like what I see watching this game....
I read this whole thing and really wish I hadn't. I still read all of your posts because you sometimes bring pretty valid points, but I'm getting close to just dismissing everything you post in this TB thread, you still got good stuff mostly elsewhere though.

You're just reaching, you don't make much sense, and you don't care about the guy because he's not 6'5 - 240. You've said it before MANY times and it's clear if the guy doesn't meet that requirement he is dead to you.

You want Andrew Luck, don't we all, but you don't understand Andrew Luck comes once in 10 years and only 1 of the 32 teams has a crack at him. Look at what the Skins threw at the Rams. I'd be willing to bet they threw the same package at the Colts and the Colts denied it.

And you do have a guy FYI. AJ McCarron and Zach Met. All good though bro. Do your thing.

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super dumb question. I know, but what does MSR mean?

Does it have something do with messenger repped or something like that?
MSR= Must Spread Rep. It means I was trying to rep his post but I couldn't.
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And you do have a guy FYI. AJ McCarron and Zach Met. All good though bro. Do your thing.
I'm liking Mettenberger less & less as I watch more of him.

But I do not prefer McCarron over Bridgewater, Manziel, Bartles, Murray, or Garapulo (sp).... I prefer McCarron at 2-1 over Bridgewater/Manziel/Bartles/Murray/Garapulo at 1-1.

Playoffs posted a mock sim yesterday that had us taking Manziel at 2-1... I'd have no complaints with that. If we could get Bridgewater at 15, I'd have no problem with that.
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I'm liking Mettenberger less & less as I watch more of him.

But I do not prefer McCarron over Bridgewater, Manziel, Bartles, Murray, or Garapulo (sp).... I prefer McCarron at 2-1 over Bridgewater/Manziel/Bartles/Murray/Garapulo at 1-1.

Playoffs posted a mock sim yesterday that had us taking Manziel at 2-1... I'd have no complaints with that. If we could get Bridgewater at 15, I'd have no problem with that.
Ok, your stance is starting to be a bit more clear to me. However, there is no way that Bridgewater is going to fall out of the top five much less into the mid-teens. I think Bridgewater is the clear cut #1 QB in this draft. If we could trade down to #4 with Cleveland and still get him I'm all for it, but I don't think he would get past Jacksonville at #3. Settling for Mccarron at 2.1 at most I would be hoping he would turn into the next Andy Dalton. I would simply have higher hopes for Bridgewater.
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Understood.

But I don't have "a guy."

You won't see me argue that any one of these guys is any better than the other. I believe they've all got good resumes, strengths & weaknesses, & would support whatever decision OB/Smith/McNair decides will help the Texans most.

I've mentioned who my favorite is, I've mentioned how I would target a QB in the upcoming draft, & I've suggested how I would handle the draft.

I am most definitely not as invested in any of these guys as some others are.
I agree with everything in this post except for the bolded. You very clearly do have a guy, McCarron. You just don't value him on the level that some other posters value their guy. My only argument with anything you said was that the UH game is some sort of proof against Bridgewater that puts him on the same level as Manziel or McCarron. I just felt that you were being very selective by pointing to that one game when the other two both have worse games on tape against similar (and better in some cases) competition.

I don't agree with a lot of your conclusions about this QB class but I appreciate your ability to come to your own conclusion and back it up with your own reasoning. I can at least have an intellectual debate about it with you, unlike with others who will just pull other people's opinions off of twitter and parrot it as their own.

At the moment, here is where I am at QB, in order of preference:
1.1 - Bridgewater, Bortles
2.1 - Mettenberger
3.1 - Brett Smith
4.1 - Connor Shaw

Those are the only guys I would be comfortable with the Texans drafting. But OB knows far more than I do, so if he were to go another direction I would of course fall in line.
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Ok, your stance is starting to be a bit more clear to me. However, there is no way that Bridgewater is going to fall out of the top five much less into the mid-teens. I think Bridgewater is the clear cut #1 QB in this draft. If we could trade down to #4 with Cleveland and still get him I'm all for it, but I don't think he would get past Jacksonville at #3. Settling for Mccarron at 2.1 at most I would be hoping he would turn into the next Andy Dalton. I would simply have higher hopes for Bridgewater.
If it is possible for Browns to take Maziel over TB, is it not possible that Jags would take home boy Bortles? Is there anyone 5-8 that has to have QB, if not Vikings could take or as silly as it seems to me, they could take Carr allowing TB to fall like Lucifer.
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If Teddy drops he wont get past Oakland.
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If Teddy drops he wont get past Oakland.
The funny thing is that if the Broncos won , the Texans would have to take a QB #1 . Now they have to take a QB later .
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Heard a fascinating interview with Drew Brees on the B.S. Report (Grantland.com) and they were talking about what makes a great QB.

Simmons proposed that a great QB was 25% talent and 75% intangibles.

Brees countered by saying that if you get drafted into the NFL you have the arm to play, but to be great it was probably closer to 20% talent and 80% intangibles.

He spoke about toughness, leadership, short term memory, dedication, all those things that can't be measured.

I wasn't sure where to put it so I put it in this thread becasuse Bridgewater is my horse in this race. From what I have heard and read about him, I think he has those qualities. JFF probably has them too. Not sure about Bortles but that is more my ignorance than a judgement on him.
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The funny thing is that if the Broncos won , the Texans would have to take a QB #1 . Now they have to take a QB later .
Yep. Prisoners of the moment. Then if Peyton or Brady win next year it will be all about the QBs again.

People all forget that in the 2013 Super Bowl Flacco against a very comparable defense (see 2014 NFC Championship game) put up 3 TDs in the first half and basically put the game out of reach. Defense is awesome, but QBs are always gonna be the most important.
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Heard a fascinating interview with Drew Brees on the B.S. Report (Grantland.com) and they were talking about what makes a great QB.

Simmons proposed that a great QB was 25% talent and 75% intangibles.

Brees countered by saying that if you get drafted into the NFL you have the arm to play, but to be great it was probably closer to 20% talent and 80% intangibles.

He spoke about toughness, leadership, short term memory, dedication, all those things that can't be measured.

I wasn't sure where to put it so I put it in this thread becasuse Bridgewater is my horse in this race. From what I have heard and read about him, I think he has those qualities. JFF probably has them too. Not sure about Bortles but that is more my ignorance than a judgement on him.
I think you are correct .

Ken Norton broke Ali's jaw in a fight in 73 but Ali fought 10 more rounds after getting his jaw broke . QBs are going to get smashed , throw ints , and so on . It's what they do afterward which makes them great . That quality goes across the board with the greats .
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If it is possible for Browns to take Maziel over TB, is it not possible that Jags would take home boy Bortles? Is there anyone 5-8 that has to have QB, if not Vikings could take or as silly as it seems to me, they could take Carr allowing TB to fall like Lucifer.
Yes, it's possible. I don't see them both passing on Bridgewater though.

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The funny thing is that if the Broncos won , the Texans would have to take a QB #1 . Now they have to take a QB later .
I put very little stock into what people are saying right now. The draft is still three months away and I bet the SB comparison is long forgotten by then. After all, I don't think the Seattle defense has one elite DE so why do we need two?

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I wasn't sure where to put it so I put it in this thread becasuse Bridgewater is my horse in this race. From what I have heard and read about him, I think he has those qualities. JFF probably has them too. Not sure about Bortles but that is more my ignorance than a judgement on him.
I was watching Manziel's game against Duke last night. I seriously don't see him having the intangibles Brees was talking about. Manziel was consistently in the shotgun, was lazy with his three step drops and even when he made good throws he didn't seem to be stepping toward his receiver.
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The funny thing is that if the Broncos won , the Texans would have to take a QB #1 . Now they have to take a QB later .
Forgive my ignorance, but why do you feel that way? Why would anything that happens to Denver influence Houston? Before the Super Bowl the Texans needed a QB. After the Super Bowl the Texans still need a QB.
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I was watching Manziel's game against Duke last night. I seriously don't see him having the intangibles Brees was talking about. Manziel was consistently in the shotgun, was lazy with his three step drops and even when he made good throws he didn't seem to be stepping toward his receiver.
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I'm shocked, shocked I tell you.

Seriously, your objective opinion is that JM lacks the "intangibles"? Heck, that's one of the only things most scouts have been in agreement on.
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NFL Comparison: Russell Wilson, but three inches taller and less explosive movements.

Where He Wins: Excellent pocket movement. Bounces off his back foot to step up against edge pressure and isn’t afraid to slide laterally when faced with an interior rush. Keeps eyes up to survey coverages and works to multiple reads. Placement and touch are there, but has the velocity to hit vertical routes on the move. Not afraid to give a covered receiver in single coverage a chance to win. Reports have stated he takes care of many checks at the line of scrimmage.

Where He Fits: He fits any offense. Sustains success from the pocket but also has mobility which isn’t showcased often. Hits every level with placement and timing.

2014 Draft Projection: No. 1 or 2 pick.
Interesting to note that the next QBs they rank come in succession at 27-29.
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People all forget that in the 2013 Super Bowl Flacco against a very comparable defense (see 2014 NFC Championship game) put up 3 TDs in the first half and basically put the game out of reach. Defense is awesome, but QBs are always gonna be the most important.
I think what people forget is that the Ravens won that game because their defense prevented SF from scoring a TD with 1:50 left in the game.

Defense won that Super Bowl too (hard to say that with a combined score of 65 points). If the Ravens D had allowed that TD, the NFC West could have won back to back Super Bowls & the Ravens would have had money to resign some of that talent.
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I'm shocked, shocked I tell you.

Seriously, your objective opionion is that JM lacks the "intangibles"? Heck, that's one of the only things most scouts have been in agreement on.
haha I will suffice it to say that being a UT fan has nothing to do with it. I stopped caring about A&M years ago when the rivalry ended. I don't honestly bleed orange like most people in Austin and I'm much more into Houston Texans football than any other team in sports. If I thought Johnny Football was the best QB in the draft I would easily get behind him. I don't though, I believe that's Bridgewater.
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