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Old 01-26-2014   #1301
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I bring that up not to crap on Bridgewater (I actually like him a lot), but rather to dispel twitter group think. He is not a sure thing.
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I think the vast majority of us here on TT would agree with the bold.
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Debatable. This thread alone a vast majority think TB is the Man, a Franchise QB, hands down, no questions asked. The consensus Group Think.
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Absolutely no flaws worth considering.
My "mental straw poll" has something like 70% of TT strongly in favor of taking Teddy B. over anyone else in this draft. That's about as close to a "Sure thing" we ever get on here. Hell, we didn't get over about 85% for A. Luck.

I hope somebody absolutely sets themselves apart at the combine, so that there isn't much doubt who is worth the #1.

My worst fear right now is trading back to #4 and watching all three of the top QB prospects taken off the board. Clowney won't fit worth a damn in a 3-4.
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Clowney won't fit worth a damn in a 3-4.
I think he would be the best in a 4-3, though I would say that:

1) A lot of teams play in nickel/dime formation anyways, which require a 4-man front and allow Clowney to play his more natural position of LDE; and

2) Clowney has enough burst to work as the pass-rushing OLB, and Crennel has used large OLBs in his defenses before.
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My worst fear right now is trading back to #4 and watching all three of the top QB prospects taken off the board.
Just because I don't like any of the top three with a top 5 pick, doesn't mean we shouldn't take one of the three with a top 5 pick. If OB & his crew think one of those three would help this team much more than the QBs that will be available later in the draft, then they should take him with the #1 overall.

If they were to drop down to 4 I wouldn't expect them to take a QB. If they do, I would think it was wreckless & not a gamble I would have made.

Again, if they feel one of those three will be a franchise QB, they should take him with the #1 overall & not play any games.
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I know Teddy, Johnny, and Blake are getting ready for the Combine. Anybody heard where they are training? I know JFF likes that QB guru in California (can't remember his name) and will probably be with him. Haven't heard where TB or BB are training. Just curious.
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I know Teddy, Johnny, and Blake are getting ready for the Combine. Anybody heard where they are training? I know JFF likes that QB guru in California (can't remember his name) and will probably be with him. Haven't heard where TB or BB are training. Just curious.
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I know Teddy, Johnny, and Blake are getting ready for the Combine. Anybody heard where they are training? I know JFF likes that QB guru in California (can't remember his name) and will probably be with him. Haven't heard where TB or BB are training. Just curious.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap200...-draft-process

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Glad TB is training with Weinke, that dude knows how to win NFL game.
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I think you're overestimating the importance of weight. While it is important when projecting a players future success & longevity it is not the sole determination.

At 6'2" 225 lbs I would feel fairly confident that Rodgers would be able to take the beating an NFL QB will take. His height is of some concern, he will have difficulty finding passing lanes, or just being able to see routes develop closer to the LOS... however, in hindsight we know he is capable of performing well, very well in the pocket.
So if Bridgewater packs on 15 more pounds you're okay with him as a prospect?

Matt Schaub was 6'5 240 something. We all know how that ended up.
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So if Bridgewater packs on 15 more pounds you're okay with him as a prospect?

Matt Schaub was 6'5 240 something. We all know how that ended up.
That's some faulty reasoning; Peyton Manning is 6'5 and 230lbs. and we all saw how that turned out.
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So if Bridgewater packs on 15 more pounds you're okay with him as a prospect?

Matt Schaub was 6'5 240 something. We all know how that ended up.
Either way, there isn't a plethora of 6'3" 205 lb QBs in the league. Surely there's a reason.
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That's some faulty reasoning; Peyton Manning is 6'5 and 230lbs. and we all saw how that turned out.
And at his peak, Jamarcus Russell was 6'6 and 265 at his best. My point is not that additional height and weight makes you a bad QB - if it was, yes, it would be faulty reasoning. My point is that height and weight is not a huge determining factor in the success of a QB by itself.

Sure, I get the durability concern. But Bridgewater has no particularly egregious history of injury and has shown to be evasive and hardy in the pocket.

If height and weight is your primary criteria for drafting your QB, you're going to be drafting quite a few busts. Hell, if we were drafting with those two criteria first we'd be picking Logan Thomas with 1-1.
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And at his peak, Jamarcus Russell was 6'6 and 265 at his best. My point is not that additional height and weight makes you a bad QB - if it was, yes, it would be faulty reasoning. My point is that height and weight is not a huge determining factor in the success of a QB by itself.

Sure, I get the durability concern. But Bridgewater has no particularly egregious history of injury and has shown to be evasive and hardy in the pocket.

If height and weight is your primary criteria for drafting your QB, you're going to be drafting quite a few busts. Hell, if we were drafting with those two criteria first we'd be picking Logan Thomas with 1-1.
And I agree entirely, only that the way you phrased it seemed faulty. Carry on!
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My point is that height and weight is not a huge determining factor in the success of a QB by itself.

If height and weight is your primary criteria for drafting your QB, you're going to be drafting quite a few busts. Hell, if we were drafting with those two criteria first we'd be picking Logan Thomas with 1-1.
It's faulty for anyone to believe it is my primary apprehension to Bridgewater. It is just the one they like to challenge. I've also said it's not a deal breaker, if he falls within a certain range.

If he shows up at 205 lbs, I don't think I would be the only person with concerns. We "know" Bridgewater should be working on gaining weight. If the net result of that work is 205 lbs at the combine, it should be major red flags. He could be the most skilled QB the league has ever seen, but it would still be irresponsible to let PeeWee Herman out on the field.

I don't like his size.
I don't like his throwing motion
I don't like his footwork

There's more, each in-and-of-itself no big deal, no deal breaker. I've got nothing to say Bridgewater won't be a franchise QB, I just don't think the odds of him becoming a true franchise QB is much higher than others; Bortles, Manziel, McCarron, Murray, Metenberger, even Boyd.
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Either way, there isn't a plethora of 6'3" 205 lb QBs in the league. Surely there's a reason.
No, but let's say for argument's sake that Bridgewater comes in Day 1 and bulks up a bit, and by preseason's time he's 6'3 220, or even 6'3 225.

For comparison's sake (height weight from Wiki), here are the QBs who saw extended playing time this season.

Russell Wilson 5'11 206
Tom Brady at 6'4 is 225
Alex Smith is 6'4, 217.
Brees is 6'0 209.
Andy Dalton is 6'2 220.
Ryan Tannehill is 6'4 222.
Eli Manning is 6'4 218.
Colin Kaepernick is 6'4, 230.
Peyton Manning is 6'5 230.
Carson Palmer is 6'5 235.
EJ Manuel is 6'5 237.
Thad Lewis is 6'2 220.
Ryan Fitzpatrick is 6'2 225
Cam Newton is 6'5 245
Jason Campbell is 6'5 229
Matt Flynn is 6'2 230
Case Keenum is 6'1 205
Jay Cutler is 6'3, 233
Tony Romo is 6'2 236
Joe Flacco is 6'6 239
Matt Stafford is 6'3 232
Matt Ryan is 6'4 217
Matt Schaub is 6'4 239
Chad Henne is 6'3 230
Christian Ponder is 6'2 229
Matt Cassel is 6'4 230
Geno Smith is 6'3 221
Terrelle Pryor is 6'4 233
Nick Foles is 6'6 243
Matt McGloin is 6'1 210
Josh McCown is 6'4 215
Andrew Luck is 6'4 239
Ben Roethlisberger is 6'5 241
Kellen Clemens is 6'2 221
Sam Bradford is 6'4 231
Mike Glennon is 6'7, 225
RG III is 6'2, 218
Kirk Cousins is 6'3, 209
Josh Freeman is 6'6 248
Jake Locker is 6'3 234

I don't think I missed out on anyone else.

Averages: 6'3.5 feet tall, 226.9 lbs.*



*assuming no statistical error on my account.


Edit: just saw your other post, TK - and yes, I agree, he has his flaws. I have concerns with gloves (it's weird, not necessarily a con, but weird) and level of competition etc. - but height and weight is not exactly a major concern. He will put on weight. I'd bet money he's bulking up right now in prep for the combine, trying to get up to 220-225 if he's not there already.

Now if he comes in at 6'1 200, yes, that raises a flag.
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No, but let's say for argument's sake that Bridgewater comes in Day 1 and bulks up a bit, and by preseason's time he's 6'3 220, or even 6'3 225.

For comparison's sake (height weight from Wiki), here are the QBs who saw extended playing time this season.

Russell Wilson 5'11 206
Tom Brady at 6'4 is 225
Alex Smith is 6'4, 217.
Brees is 6'0 209.
Andy Dalton is 6'2 220.
Ryan Tannehill is 6'4 222.
Eli Manning is 6'4 218.
Colin Kaepernick is 6'4, 230.
Peyton Manning is 6'5 230.
Carson Palmer is 6'5 235.
EJ Manuel is 6'5 237.
Thad Lewis is 6'2 220.
Ryan Fitzpatrick is 6'2 225
Cam Newton is 6'5 245
Jason Campbell is 6'5 229
Matt Flynn is 6'2 230
Case Keenum is 6'1 205
Jay Cutler is 6'3, 233
Tony Romo is 6'2 236
Joe Flacco is 6'6 239
Matt Stafford is 6'3 232
Matt Ryan is 6'4 217
Matt Schaub is 6'4 239
Chad Henne is 6'3 230
Christian Ponder is 6'2 229
Matt Cassel is 6'4 230
Geno Smith is 6'3 221
Terrelle Pryor is 6'4 233
Nick Foles is 6'6 243
Matt McGloin is 6'1 210
Josh McCown is 6'4 215
Andrew Luck is 6'4 239
Ben Roethlisberger is 6'5 241
Kellen Clemens is 6'2 221
Sam Bradford is 6'4 231
Mike Glennon is 6'7, 225
RG III is 6'2, 218
Kirk Cousins is 6'3, 209
Josh Freeman is 6'6 248
Jake Locker is 6'3 234

I don't think I missed out on anyone else.

Averages: 6'3.5 feet tall, 226.9 lbs.*



*assuming no statistical error on my account.


Edit: just saw your other post, TK - and yes, I agree, he has his flaws. I have concerns with gloves (it's weird, not necessarily a con, but weird) and level of competition etc. - but height and weight is not exactly a major concern. He will put on weight. I'd bet money he's bulking up right now in prep for the combine, trying to get up to 220-225 if he's not there already.

Now if he comes in at 6'1 200, yes, that raises a flag.
Several people have said they believe Teddy is closer to 6'1" than 6'3".
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Several people have said they believe Teddy is closer to 6'1" than 6'3".
The combine cant come soon enough.

P.S. I don't think Albert Einstein actually said that.
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Heh, I'm surprised you guys are still going on about weight when there was reasoning behind his weight loss and he's already shown the ability to get up to around 218. He's a young kid which means his body will not have much issue gaining the weight especially with the strength and conditioning coaches in the NFL. I mean, that is one of their functions after all and why we put them on the payroll. Could understand if he has never shown the ability to gain the weight.

Oh well. To each their own. If it wasn't this then I'm sure we'd find something else to ***** about. Maybe one toenail longer than the other or something. All of these guys have something to work on. Last thing I'm going to concern myself about is the weight of a kid under 25 years old when that can be remedied. More interested in things like mechanics and mental aspect of the game.
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I think that could be said about all three QB's.
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WHATíS IMPRESSED YOU ABOUT TEDDY?

Heís got a huge upside. Heís a special guy. Most importantly, heís coachable, and I think thatís what a lot of NFL teams look for, guys that are coachable and can make adjustments.

WHAT DO YOU WANT HIM TO SHOW?

I think maybe the misperception on him is heís not a real vocal guy, right? I can tell you heís got a real burning desire to be great and his leadership skills are simple shown kind of through example.

Heís the type of guy that guys just naturally gravitate toward.

Really, you just want to fine-tune everything. I donít do this to make major adjustments. You want to make minor adjustments and make sure he has a great understanding of this process and whatís going to be asked of him, physically and mentally. That he goes through this process with confidence and is then able to translate that into success in the National Football League.

WHAT WILL YOU TELL HIM?

I always tell guys, ĎBe yourself.í Iím not here to change people, weíre here to simply be a GPS system for them, right? To show them the way and let them naturally be who they are, but give them some tools for success.

WHAT DO YOU THINK OF HIS NFL PROSPECTS?

I think heís a perfect fit. Heís the type of guy that doesnít have to say a whole lot, but I think will got into a locker room and gain respect immediately.

Heís the total package. He has the ability to do all the things theyíre gonna do at the next level.

In terms of arm strength, heís got NFL arm strength. He can throw the ball accurately on the run. He has great escapability within the pocket.

HOW DO YOU THINK LOUISVILLE PREPARED HIM FOR THIS?

You can watch guys on film and see if they have total command of the offense and thatís clearly evident that he felt very comfortable in that offense. Fortunately for him, he was in the pro-style offense, which will translate nicely to the next level.

Thereís so many guys these days that never take a snap from under center before they get to the NFL and thatís a transition, but heís a natural there, heís comfortable under center or in the shotgun, so I think heís ahead of the game...
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