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Old 01-10-2014   #881
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You guys are sounding a bit silly. Yes, his weight is an issue when speculating his durability. At the same time most need to understand he is young and can easily gain that weight with proper training with, at this point, he should be able to obtain now. You guys are acting like it would take a kid in his early twenties some leaping over buildings to gain 10-20 pounds in training. That is not difficult to do.

Not to mention if he didn't weigh 210 in the combine you still are talking months until the season and then under the personal strength/condition training of an NFL coaching staff. So relax already. If he had poor work ethic I could understand but all we hear is the complete opposite. Hell, I've gained those pounds without the personal training he gets and my brother does who is shaping up for his own proday now.
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Lol are we really having a debate about his weight here?. Man it's going to be a long offseason.

And it's one of the things that's easier to correct.
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Sure it does. It doesn't have EVERYTHING to do with being an NFL QB, so you can just keep waiting for Russel and Lorenzen. Simply put, Mr. Physics says that if ANY football player (even QBs) take a hit, one of the equations in play is F=MA. Well, acceleration sure isn't slowing down, so you might want to have a little mass on your frame. Getting out of the way and not taking those hits is even more important, obviously. But guys with a little more meat on their bones take hits a little better over the long term.

It's really common sense. Not saying that should preclude TB from anything, but I was just answering your inquiry as to why anyone gives a damn about his weight.
Really? OMG, I had no idea that Mr. Physics applied to QBs too! Does it apply to Santa Claus as well?

I have already stated that I get that muscle helps to stave off injury. However, I have also stated that he has not missed much time to injury in his career and is young (which means he has a lot of time to add muscle mass, since we are speaking like simpletons).

To the bold- this is getting to my point. If people's biggest concern is his weight, then they should be running to the podium.
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I was hoping we were going to avoid this conversation as it has nothing to do with the topic at hand, but I see it's going to happen.

The size of a man's arms have nothing to do with his frame. I've seen huge guys with average arms and thin guys with huge arms. The muscle at the joint is the deltoid. The lateral deltoid is superior to the acromion process (which joins with the clavicle to form the AC joint, or shoulder joint). A rounded deltoid can make someone's frame appear larger than it really is.

A larger man will tend to have bigger arms but his arm size is not an indicator of the size of his frame.
This is why I mentioned looking at the joints and not the muscles. Should I have been specific and said the wrists and elbow. Why there? Because it does not have the muscle to interfere with an approximation of bone size or FRAME. After I specifically excluded muscle, you took us on a tour of the MUSCLES.
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There's a big difference between 6'4" 211 & 6'3" 195

Like I said before. If he weighs in over 210 at the combine, I'll be surprised. If he weighs in at 215, I'm on board the Bridgewater train. If he weighs in at 220, I'm leading the parade down Kirby.
I would bet that Teddy is well aware of the knocks and criticisms about his weight and is now on a 10,000 calories a day diet between now and his Pro Day. If he does weigh 220 there is no GTD he can keep his weight on and two know one knows how he plays with and extra 25 lbs. I go back to my first concern, his MPH. IMHO if he can throw 55 MPH or > that is more of reason for a Kirby Parade, if the MPH is 50 or < BUYER BEWARE.
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I understand all this but generally speaking guys with really skinny arms have really thin frames.
TB & I have the same body frame....He looks skinnier than normal b/c he's tall & his weight is distributed evenly. & like someone else pointed out, he's also not wearing a flak jacket. He's also only 21..as he gets older he'll put on more weight.

It's a pure guess on my part, but i bet his playing weight is right around what they say his weight is..205 lbs. I also suspect he'll be 8-10 lbs heavier come combine time b/c he's not doing much.
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There's no way In hell Teddy weighs 220.
He didn't say Teddy weighs 220 presently. He said he came as a freshmen at 179 and then bulked up to 218. In other words, he's done it before. And like others stated he loss weight this season due to the jaw surgery. Link on what the other poster was speaking of below. He gained 39 pounds. So yeah...I'm guessing he knows what to do to gain weight especially at this point.

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I would bet that Teddy is well aware of the knocks and criticisms about his weight and is now on a 10,000 calories a day diet between now and his Pro Day. If he does weigh 220 there is no GTD he can keep his weight on and two know one knows how he plays with and extra 25 lbs. I go back to my first concern, his MPH. IMHO if he can throw 55 MPH or > that is more of reason for a Kirby Parade, if the MPH is 50 or < BUYER BEWARE.
Seems like the odds of him doing the velocity throw are pretty low. Most of the top prospects skip it.
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I was hoping we were going to avoid this conversation as it has nothing to do with the topic at hand, but I see it's going to happen.

The size of a man's arms have nothing to do with his frame. I've seen huge guys with average arms and thin guys with huge arms. The muscle at the joint is the deltoid. The lateral deltoid is superior to the acromion process (which joins with the clavicle to form the AC joint, or shoulder joint). A rounded deltoid can make someone's frame appear larger than it really is.

A larger man will tend to have bigger arms but his arm size is not an indicator of the size of his frame.
Jeez how did our simple conversation about skinny arms spiral out of control like this?

This board is getting crazy.
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All this skinny armed , skinny legged talk has ruled out my front runner .

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Throwing motion is different when when running vs being stationary in the pocket.
It's one of the biggest blunders NFL coaches make imo. bringing a guy in and trying to change his throwing motion. Short of them having accuracy problems, you leave it alone..especially if they have the height to overcome it.

Throwing motion is alot like a jumpshot in basketball. The overall motion needs to look and be as effective as the prototype, but mostily it is an entirely personal motion. You've got to find what works best for you and your body & go with it.

Elway's throwing motion wasn't prototype..Neither was Marino's....Kosar. & Of course we know of a couple of guys today who've got funky throwing motions. The coaches were smart & left it alone. It's all in how comfortable you are & how effective you can be throwing it that way...
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It's one of the biggest blunders NFL coaches make imo. bringing a guy in and trying to change his throwing motion. Short of them having accuracy problems, you leave it alone..especially if they have the height to overcome it.

Throwing motion is alot like a jumpshot in basketball. The overall motion needs to look and be as effective as the prototype, but mostily it is an entirely personal motion. You've got to find what works best for you and your body & go with it.

Elway's throwing motion wasn't prototype..Neither was Marino's....Kosar. & Of course we know of a couple of guys today who've got funky throwing motions. The coaches were smart & left it alone. It's all in how comfortable you are & how effective you can be throwing it that way...
If a person has good hand eye coordination then the brain is very adept at telling the arm and hand how to deliver the ball to the target. Coaching can improve the delivery and accuracy from a standpoint of good footwork, like pointing your big toe and making direct eye contact exactly where you want to target your throw. The very good QBs are the ones that can process all of the needed information in less than 3 secs.
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Seems like the odds of him doing the velocity throw are pretty low. Most of the top prospects skip it.
this is interesting & accurate so how refreshing, even if unrealistic, that Teddy Bridgewater goes to the combine & at least does all the measureables along with interview process even if he doesn't throw
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It sucks when a guy like that hits you, no matter how big you are. But on any given Sunday, there are at least two other guys bigger than he is, & the three of them will probably rock your boat 7 times or more.

Most men will quit before the 5th hit. We're going to find out what TB is made of real quick.
He stayed in this game and beat the pants off that team. An idea of what he's made of.

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& pointing to Rodgers & saying "Bridgewater is basically Rodgers" is just as lame as those "Case is basically Drew Brees" arguments.
So you're saying every single QB comparison argument is lame? That's basically what most scouts (and us on this board) have been doing for many years. They have similar playing styles and I think it's very fair. Everyone gets compared to someone these days, past, present, or for some...future.

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We should start placing some bets on Teddy's weigh in at the combine.

212.5 lbs
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I started quoting and replying to all these posts about frame and weight with my limited knowledge, Google research to validate my points, and "gut instincts" but as I went to hit submit I realized something...

This is pretty ridiculous. Don't get sucked into this talk about Deltoid joints and trying to convince people of your view because this is one of those arguments where no one will ever be swayed.

The people that believe you need to be 300 pounds to avoid injury will never see any different and if you're not you're obviously "injury prone".

So to all of you fighters of this good fight, well played trying to suck me in, but denied.
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I would bet that Teddy is well aware of the knocks and criticisms about his weight and is now on a 10,000 calories a day diet between now and his Pro Day.
True. Which is why it will turn from a minor red flag to a major red flag if he weighs in under 210.
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Arm size can give you a clue to Frame size. Look near the joints, not at the muscles.
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This is why I mentioned looking at the joints and not the muscles. Should I have been specific and said the wrists and elbow. Why there? Because it does not have the muscle to interfere with an approximation of bone size or FRAME. After I specifically excluded muscle, you took us on a tour of the MUSCLES.
My point being that you can not get a precise measurement at every joint. You did not specify a joint in your first post and I was pointing out to you that some joints do have muscles that run over them, like the AC joint.

And every human skeleton is different. Some people have thicker bones, but not necessarily thicker joints. And there are more than just muscles in play here. There are tendons, ligaments, and cartilage. Not every person has an identical articulation. So to take an elbow measurement of two different people does not give an indication of who has a bigger frame. It tells you who has a thicker joint at the elbow.

The industry standard used to be a wrist measurement, but even this is not considered consensus. All these methods are considered to be educated guesses at best. There is variance between just about every person.
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All Qbs get hit. I am more interested in recovery time that body mass. Weight can absorb but quick feet and dodging helps too.
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Being small is not an indication of being frail. There are many instances of huge guys being frequently injured and small guys being ironmen. You just have to look at each individual instead of immediately herding them into a certain category based purely on measurements.
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Brigewater's overthrow numbers could likely he decrease with some tweaks to his delivery, as others have mentoned.

And further evidence to stay far far away from Carr.
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Brigewater's overthrow numbers could likely he decrease with some tweaks to his delivery, as others have mentoned.

And further evidence to stay far far away from Carr.
And evidence to stay away from Manziel.

Accuracy is one of BOB's hot points, so we could be looking at Bridgewater OR we could be finding a way to finagle Mettenberger later in the draft.
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