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Old 01-03-2014   #661
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4 nfc championship games, 1 superbowl appearence, 5 time pro-bowl,but that's not a franchise qb? Ok


Vomited on his teammates shoes on a game winning SB drive.

Fumbled a FG snap to lose one of the few playoff games he has been a part of.

That reeks of Elway/Montana/Brady.
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Vomited on his teammates shoes on a game winning SB drive.

Fumbled a FG snap to lose one of the few playoff games he has been a part of.

That reeks of Elway/Montana/Brady.
16 play-off games isn't "a few". 9 playoff victories isn't even "a few".

In 13 years, Brees only has 9 playoff games total. And McNabb only played 13 years.

Or is Brees not a franchise QB?
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16 play-off games isn't "a few". 9 playoff victories isn't even "a few".

In 13 years, Brees only has 9 playoff games total. And McNabb only played 13 years.

Or is Brees not a franchise QB?
How do Brees teammates feel about him?

How did McNabb's teammates feel about him?

This speaks volumes. IMHO

I have exceedingly high expectations whe it comes to a franchise QB. Texans fans should only expect the best. They usualy dont and are like an alcoholic at an AA meeting rationalizing things. Lookin at you DM.
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Vomited on his teammates shoes on a game winning SB drive.

Fumbled a FG snap to lose one of the few playoff games he has been a part of.

That reeks of Elway/Montana/Brady.
Elway? Same guy who got blasted in the superbowl like 4 times right?

This is retard reasoning. If mcnabb wasn't a franchise qb,then kelly,marino,and a slew of guys are not franchise qb. To me a franchise qb is a guy who is a 10 yr guy,multiple probowls and take your team deep in the playoffs. Why you're critical of mcnabb,tell me his rbs and wrs. How many nfc title games have drew brees been too? Drew brees lost to a 7-9 seattle team and a chad pennington let jets team. Peyton is 2 games under .500 in the playoffs.

When you say higher standard,I like hear your higher standard.
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Bridgewater is starting to become another Clowney to me: the more tape I watch, the more I want him on the team. If it wasn't highly, highly illegal and improper, maybe we can convince Clowney to enter the supplemental draft and we take him with the 2015 first-round pick of ours?

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Some people never learn.

Carr vs Peppers all over again.

Good luck with that
You know, if there were no major questionmarks around Clowney IŽd agree with you. But there are. He takes plays of, people have questioned his motivation and drive. And he didn`t dominate last season. Sure, he is still young and last year he was double and tripple teamed (didn`t really stop Watt last season) and he may be the next Peppers. But he is not the clear cut best player in the draft.

He is maybe the best talent in the draft - and with that comes a risk (high risk, high reward).

There has been defensive players hyped up every draft and defensive players have disappeared every draft. Suh was hyped as a generational talent (and he is), but a good QB still means much more to a team than a player like Suh.

It is too easy to say - Carr vs. Peppers all over again. Every pick is a risk, even the "safe" ones like a LT. With Clowney the risk is him never reaching his potential and taking too many plays of. With a QB you always get the highest risk but also the highest reward.

Sure, Bridgewater or whoever will be the highest rated QB after the combine could turn into Carr 2.0. Just like every drafted QB could turn into dog poo. But if our scouts are convinced in him, that would be a risk worth taking.

The only position a team needs at least a quality starter to win the super bowl is QB. You can get away with a bad DE, even with a bad LT if your QB is elusive and has a quick release. But you can`t get away with a QB that crumbles under pressure and can`t get the ball to his receivers. And a QB is hardest to get. You won`t get a real good one via FA, you won`t get one via trade unless there are mjaor questionmarks and you are willing to give up a lot. If you want a QB to turn your franchise around you need to draft one. And right now we are in the best position because we have the number 1 pick.
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You know, if there were no major questionmarks around Clowney IŽd agree with you. But there are. He takes plays of, people have questioned his motivation and drive. And he didn`t dominate last season. Sure, he is still young and last year he was double and tripple teamed (didn`t really stop Watt last season) and he may be the next Peppers. But he is not the clear cut best player in the draft.

He is maybe the best talent in the draft - and with that comes a risk (high risk, high reward).

There has been defensive players hyped up every draft and defensive players have disappeared every draft. Suh was hyped as a generational talent (and he is), but a good QB still means much more to a team than a player like Suh.

It is too easy to say - Carr vs. Peppers all over again. Every pick is a risk, even the "safe" ones like a LT. With Clowney the risk is him never reaching his potential and taking too many plays of. With a QB you always get the highest risk but also the highest reward.

Sure, Bridgewater or whoever will be the highest rated QB after the combine could turn into Carr 2.0. Just like every drafted QB could turn into dog poo. But if our scouts are convinced in him, that would be a risk worth taking.

The only position a team needs at least a quality starter to win the super bowl is QB. You can get away with a bad DE, even with a bad LT if your QB is elusive and has a quick release. But you can`t get away with a QB that crumbles under pressure and can`t get the ball to his receivers. And a QB is hardest to get. You won`t get a real good one via FA, you won`t get one via trade unless there are mjaor questionmarks and you are willing to give up a lot. If you want a QB to turn your franchise around you need to draft one. And right now we are in the best position because we have the number 1 pick.
pay no attention to him, the 2 situations aren't even in the same ballpark. The talent we have on the team now may not be as high as we thought but It's still light years better than anything Carr had to work with his 1st 3 years. The coaching also projects to be better...I'd like to think that O'brien as an offensive coach will be better at developing a young qb than Capers the defensive coach was with Carr. The expectations, the fan fare....far and away won't be the same.

It's a stretch of "Mr. Fantastic" proportions to compare the 2 situations really.
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I find it funny how some people can't distinguish a HOF QB from a franchise type guy, and even funnier how anyone fails to acknowledge the metrics set before them and uses bias and personal opinion to formulate an opinion. Makes them look foolish.

Just wait until coaches and sports hosts start putting those kids in front of a chalkboard, it will end the debate rather quickly.

Gruden is liable to have an on air orgasm when he gets to pick Teddys brain.
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Carr vs Peppers all over again.

Good luck with that
Only a fool trips on whats behind them.
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Those who don't learn from history are bound to repeat it.
Good quote. And I agree with it 100%. But being afraid to take a QB because Carr was a bust and Peppers has a pro-bowl filled career is not learning from the past. Its running away from it.
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This should be something very correctable if it proves to need correcting.

I've said my concern, now what I really like is the fact he's been coached to run the offense at the line of scrimmage, much as Peyton Manning does. O'Brian's offense is complicated and he's said his QB's must have the intelligence and instincts to make instant, correct decisions. Bridgewater, by all accounts, is one of the most capable in this area to ever come out of college. He should be as ready as any rookie has ever been to take the reins from day one of the season.
And that is what I think is going to be exactly what swings Coach 0 onto the TB train. TD Ted is exactly the QB that he describes in the seminar vid that was posted a couple of days ago. My line of thinking says if someone that has exactly the qualifications you're looking for falls into your lap ya take him.
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And that is what I think is going to be exactly what swings Coach 0 onto the TB train. TD Ted is exactly the QB that he describes in the seminar vid that was posted a couple of days ago. My line of thinking says if someone that has exactly the qualifications you're looking for falls into your lap ya take him.
Yep ... all the measurables known to man doesn't trump the ability to run an offense at the LOS .
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We should be careful to get out of an experience only the wisdom that is in it and stop there lest we be like the cat that sits down on a hot stove lid. She will never sit down on a hot stove lid again and that is well but also she will never sit down on a cold one anymore.
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Mcnab not a franchise qb? wow, i thought I had heard of ridicolous statements but...nevermind, this is a message board, what am i thinking.
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Yep ... all the measurables known to man doesn't trump the ability to run an offense at the LOS .
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We should be careful to get out of an experience only the wisdom that is in it and stop there lest we be like the cat that sits down on a hot stove lid. She will never sit down on a hot stove lid again and that is well but also she will never sit down on a cold one anymore.
Now why would the Texans want a cat that won't sit on cold stove lid?
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It can't learn .
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I'm hoping the combine helps sort them out better than watching film and the games thus far.

Clowney probably has the best raw potential, but he needs to take less plays off and his technique will need some work against NFL lineman.

Bridgewater has overall good technique (there are some question regarding release point and the deep ball), but hasn't played enough great competition to see how he'd fare on Sundays. Is used to a Pro-style Offense. Needs to put on some muscle.

Manziel is a wild card. His technique is all over the place, but improved markedly after time w/ QB guru. Great leadership and threat when play breaks down. Still has issues with blitz pickup. Great deep ball. Short and undersized leads to durability concerns, especially with his tendency to run.

Jake Matthews has faltered as of late. Short arms and tends to wait for pass rushers to come to him. More suited as a RT. Will start from day 1.

Blake Bortles still needs some polish to his game. He's NFL sized now. Missing the booming downfield arm of some of his peers. Not quite immobile, but not the running threat of either Manziel or Bridgewater.

Several of them look "good", and great at times. I'd prefer more consistency on the great side at 1:1.
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Not sure if it was mentioned but Lance Z said he perfered Manizel at this point over the other QB's. Not sure if thats just talk or pot stirring or what. But he said it.
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