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Old 05-01-2014   #2621
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How the hell are we to "imagine" that scenario when TB was working out BEHIND HIS BACK and he glanced occasionally at the video feed?

Mayock, along with his opinions are saying: "Where are we going? Why are we in this handbasket"?

He's losing major respect (IMO) that he spent decades building. I don't understand it myself.
Most Teddybots don't. If Mayock had said Teddy was the next Andrew Luck you and the rest of the Teddybots would think that Mayock is the GREATEST talent evaluator EEVVVEEEERRRRR!
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Most Teddybots don't. If Mayock had said Teddy was the next Andrew Luck you and the rest of the Teddybots would think that Mayock is the GREATEST talent evaluator EEVVVEEEERRRRR!
The only people that have tried to make any comparison to Andrew Luck are the Bortles fan boys.


"He looks like Luck on the field!"
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The only people that have tried to make any comparison to Andrew Luck are the Bortles fan boys.
Look up...... that's Texian's point up there.
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Default Re: Bridgewater's ability to be face of franchise in question

Teddy Bridgewater is the next Aaron Rodgers.


Why do you think that statement is true/false.
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Look up...... that's Texian's point up there.
so the "teddy bots" have said teddy is a once in a generation QB prospect like Luck before? haven't seen that, so idk why any talking head on tv would make that comment, let alone fans agreeing with it.
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Teddy Bridgewater is the next Aaron Rodgers.


Why do you think that statement is true/false.
in the sense that aaron was considered the top qb prospect that draft year until smith aced his wonderlic and ran faster in shorts, then aaron's mechanics were deemed horrible and lacked a big arm?
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in the sense that aaron was considered the top qb prospect that draft year until smith aced his wonderlic and ran faster in shorts, then aaron's mechanics were deemed horrible and lacked a big arm?
Pretty much. Listen to phil sims or watch ted thompson drop a 2nd and 7th rd pick the year rodger was to take over for favre. Sims said the 1st couple of years at camp,there were question marks about rodgers. The next yr he said a ball was thrown with so much velocity,he thought it was favre. He turned around and it was rodgers.

We can post info and have our personal favs. A guy like Texian is just trying to build up bortles for some strange reason. I could go in the bortles thread and post a lot of negative info,I choose not to cause it doesn't change anyones opinion about the player. We will see 3 yrs from now who is the best qb out of this group.
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Bridgewater was considered a sure top 5 pick for a couple of reasons:

1. His football IQ - elite
2. His vision - elite
3. His pocket presence - very good
4. His motivation to get better - very good
5. His accuracy of short to medium throws - seemingly elite if you look at his completion percentage and TD/INT ratio

All that time there were question marks around his frame and his arm strenght which led to inaccurate long balls and not enough zip on medium throws.

Now after his proball most of the reasons why he was considered a top 5 pick are unchanged - with the exception of reason number 5. Several balls came out wobbly at his pro day, and the worries about his arm strength and not putting up enough zip on the ball were even worse than some thought before.

So why is that? Was it the infamous gloves? Maybe, but if so only a very small part. Was it because it wasn`t a real game situation? Was it because his breakfast egg wasn`t cooked right? Or is it something that can`t be correctet? We don`t really know that.

But what we do know is: coaching, strength programs and small corrections can be done and Bridgewater is a guy that is eager to learn. And he is a guy that knows his own shortcomings and rarely attempts throws, that he can`t complete. So the real question between considering him a franchise guy or a bust/backup is: do you believe his arm strength/long ball accuracy problems can be fixed, or are not as severe as his proday seemed to show? Because there surely are no questions about the other areas that were the reasons he was considered a top 5 pick.

And remember, there are questions like this around every QB in this years draft.
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Bridgewater was considered a sure top 5 pick for a couple of reasons:
None of this makes sense if you believe he was truly considered a top 5 pick by NFL teams. We all assume he was because the media told us he was, but as soon as the NFL season was over, the media started changing their story.

I never believed he was a top 5 pick. A top five pick is as close to a can't miss prospect as you can get... never mind that several turn out to be busts, especially at the QB position.

So the question is & has always been is there a QB in this draft that a GM wants to bet his job on. I don't think there is.

That doesn't mean Teddy isn't the best QB in this draft or that he won't have a good long NFL career. But you can find guys like that in the second round or later (Matt Schaub, Matt Hasselbeck, Brett Favre, Drew Brees, Jake Delhomme).

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What I meant by that: he was a top 5 pick in 90% of the mock drafts and he was in the top 5 of 75% of big boards before the combine.
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What I meant by that: he was a top 5 pick in 90% of the mock drafts and he was in the top 5 of 75% of big boards before the combine.
Mock drafts sure. 75% of the media guys big boards... sure. But those don't matter. They aren't real. That's just a bunch of people who wish they ran teams.

My point is that the coaches didn't start looking at players till January. I don't think any of them thought Bridgewater was a franchise QB. Good, but not good enough to pass on elite talent.

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Most Teddybots don't. If Mayock had said Teddy was the next Andrew Luck you and the rest of the Teddybots would think that Mayock is the GREATEST talent evaluator EEVVVEEEERRRRR!
My views on Mayock had / have nothing to do with the name associated. I'm no Teddybot and I think Mayock has (understandably) turned into a "just another TV talking head".

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The only people that have tried to make any comparison to Andrew Luck are the Bortles fan boys.


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Hate to burst your bubble there, but I'm no Bortles fanboi and I think he looks almost exactly like Luck when he tucks it and runs. Throwing is a different beast altogether.
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They aren't real.
That is, unfortunately, our only source of information.

Which of course leads to those erroneous notions of "reaches", "risers", and "fallers".
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Six more days. Wonder what we will all disagree with once the draft is over.
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Six more days. Wonder what we will all disagree with once the draft is over.
How good or bad the draft picks are going to work out; how good or bad Rick Smith did and what he should have done, instead.
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How good or bad the draft picks are going to work out; how good or bad Rick Smith did and what he should have done, instead.
That should get us to training camp, anyway.
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That should get us to training camp, anyway.
Only just.
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That should get us to training camp, anyway.
Don't we have a mini camp starting Monday? I bet we're going to hear how Keenum or Yates is doing surprisingly well.

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1. This is a special kid with special qualities.
Mental toughness is what I'm talking about.

People have doubted his arm, doubted whether he can survive throwing without gloves, doubted the level of competition he faced. But he is a very mentally tough kid. That is a special quality I admire in him. He has a strong desire to be great.
2. Bridgewater is not an electrifying athlete
Bridgewater is a pocket passer, a West Coast passer. That is why I was so excited to see him. I'm tired of looking at bubble screens and no-huddle up-tempo Conference USA passes. I like to see people who have progressions and clocks in their heads, guys who can manage a lot of different situations.
3. He handled 72 Dusty just fine
But when you can look at old 72 Dusty, a play that has been around forever, you see 27 times when Bridgewater ran it, 27 times when Manziel ran it, 25 times when Bortles ran it. I can see how disciplined they are in their progression; I can see the results, I can see the accuracy, the rhythm, the overall sophistication. Bridgewater was impressive, thorough. Against certain coverages, I read it the way he read it.
4. Bridgewater has to improve his passing ability
As much as I enjoyed meeting with Bridgewater and speaking the same West Coast language, he did spray the ball a little bit during our workout on the field. This was routes against air, and this has got to be much better. I think he can do that. This was a new ball, new drills, new receivers. He has to be more compact throwing the ball. Shoulder up, shoulder sideways, shoulder down. He has to relax and rely on his fundamentals and his training and I think he'll be OK.
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