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Old 04-27-2014   #2561
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It's a fair comparison in projecting what Bridgewater could become. But not even close to how they came out of college. Garcia wasn't remotely the QB that Bridgewater is.

I think Russell Wilson and Drew Brees are very fair comparisons to Bridgewater coming out of college. Very productive, lots of exepience, undersized. Neither Wilson or Brees were 1st round picks. But in retrospect, they should have been. Brees has had the best career of any 2001 draftee, including his future HOF teammate Tomlinson. In a re-draft of 2012, Wilson would hands down be the 3rd pick behind Luck and RGIII. And a case can be made that he's been the most productive and efficient of the 3, thus far.
Nope Wilson and Brees had much stronger arms.
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"He's made some nice touch throws on tape. He's mobile. He's not the runner that Manziel is, but he's athletic. He's got good feet to get away from the rush. He's just not a real big guy. (Scouts) that have worked him out are a little concerned because they don't see the velocity, the big arm that wows you." Former NFL personnel director
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Yeah, you see a guy in ideal conditions and can take a look at his technique up close. I get that. Seeing stuff like a hitch in the throwing motion, bad footwork or missing throwing speed are important.

But those things should also be on gametape. Yeah, you are not there and don`t see them upclose, but a good scout would see most of those problems on tape.

Jamarcus Russell had the historical best proday of Mayocks career. A guy that could do all the throws. And maybe the worst #1 pick of all time.

Some guys are better when 300 pound men are running at them, some are worse. TBs best traits always were the mental aspects of his game.
Why did Jamarcus fail? Was it because he couldn't make all the throws? Was it because the game tape showed he folded with 300lb men at his feet? Did his game tape show that he was a crappy QB?

I don't watch a lot of college football, but when special players have special games, I generally find a way to catch a few games. I watched Jamarcus play... & he was pretty good. I thought definitely worthy of the #1 overall.

The reason he failed, I think, is because he is one of those guys you shouldn't give millions of dollars to in advance & expect him to show up for work on time.

That's something they should have figured out in interviews, or when they vetted him.
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His vision, his quick analysis of the defense and his decision making.

His arm strength was always at least a mild concern, so was his deep ball accuracy. Those problems were there and well documented before the proday.
I agree. Those problems were identified well before his pro-day. But I believe the media underestimated how his good qualities stacked up against the competition in light of his bad qualities.

Contrary to popular belief, Bridgewater is not the only QB who has demonstrated the ability to play well from the pocket in a prosystem, controlling the game from the LOS & reading/manipulating defenses.

When the coaches started their evaluations & the media started reporting what the coaches were seeing, they had to make corrections... & the bad pro-day was a good excuse to do so. I think the media is over doing it with their 2nd round talk, but I believe what OB said from day one. There isn't a lot of separation between a large group of these guys.

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Yeah, it might`ve been shocking that these problems were still there at his proday, since most athletes script their proday so that they look good. But those deficiencies are not news. When you take Teddy you know, that you don`t want him to throw deep, contested balls anytime soon. He needs coaching there. You also might be concerned with him throwing into tight windows. But you can also probably trust Teddy to know his own deficiencies and do the right decisions. With Teddy you get a gamemanager, that rarely does mistakes, with the potential to be more.
Sounds like Aj McCarron to me. Why spend a 1st round pick when you can get the "same guy" with a 4th.
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Nope Wilson and Brees had much stronger arms.
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Positives... Touch passer with the ability to read and diagnose defensive coverages...Confident leader who knows how to take command in the huddle...Very tough and mobile moving around in the pocket...Has a quick setup and is very effective throwing on the move... Throws across his body with great consistency...Hits receivers in stride and improvises his throws in order to make a completion...Puts good zip behind the short and mid-range passes...Shows good judgement and keen field vision...Has a take-charge attitude and is very cool under pressure...Hits receivers in motion with impressive velocity...Has superb pocket presence and uses all of his offensive weapons in order to move the chains...Has solid body mechanics and quickness moving away from center...Elusive scrambler with the body control to avoid the rush.

Negatives...Plays in the spread offense, taking the bulk of his snaps from the shotgun...Tends to side-arm his passes going deep...Lacks accuracy and touch on his long throws...Seems more comfortable in the short/intermediate passing attack...Does not possess the ideal height you look for in a pro passer, though his ability to scan the field helps him compensate in this area...Will improvise and run when the passing lanes are clogged, but tends to run through defenders rather than trying to avoid them to prevent unnecessary punishment.

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I don`t think McCarron falls to the 4th. Maybe not even to the 3d. And I think TB makes quicker decisions and is better at dissecting a defense. Not by much, but at the pros half a second could make all the difference. Oh, and he has a much better pocket presence.

But Id be alright with McCarron - especially in the 4th. And I wouldn`t take TB with the first pick. But I think there is enough difference between those two to justify taking TB at the mid or end of round one, but also going up to a 3d rounder for McCarron.
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In Mayock's defense, he really doesn't begin his scouting and evaluations until after the college football season is over. Mayock's NFL & Notre Dame announcing schedule keeps him fairly busy and prevents him doing much scouting and evaluation work. That's why you see a lot of changes in his Top 5 by position each and every year the closer you get to the draft. If it's fair for all NFL teams not to complete their final draft boards a week or two before the draft, after the Combine and Pro Days. Then the same is also fair for Mayock.
If u ever have the time to listen to sirius nfl, the gm of seahawks said they don't have their board completed till the night before the draft. The earliest I've head was 2 days.
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It doesn't matter what somebody writes in a scouting report. Ihave watched Brees since high school at Austin Westlake and his arm has always been stronger than TB's. He's never had to windup to throw the ball 60 yds. Brees has improved on his deep ball accuracy and touch during his yrs in the NFL.

The comparison to Garcia is laughable. Garcia was a running QB who couldn't throwa ball 50 yds and although accurate didn't have near the mustard on his intermediate ball that Brees has. That analysis of Brees was flat out lazy. Kind of like me saying that because they are both African-Americans and they wind up to get distance on their deep passes Leftwich and TB are alike. When in truth they're nothing alike.
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That's why you see a lot of changes in his Top 5 by position each and every year the closer you get to the draft. If it's fair for all NFL teams not to complete their final draft boards a week or two before the draft, after the Combine and Pro Days. Then the same is also fair for Mayock.
Fair enough. It's only fair to listen to Mel Kiper as well then. He also has wild swings in his top 5.

I remember a lot more wild swings working unfavorably for teams then the reverse since I've been watching this stuff. A good example of this is Stephen Hill.

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If u ever have the time to listen to sirius nfl, the gm of seahawks said they don't have their board completed till the night before the draft. The earliest I've head was 2 days.
Several months I said that NFL teams complete their draft boards the week leading up to the draft. I was taken to task for making such a comment. Over the years from the stories I have heard, NFL teams use the two weeks before the draft to go over numerous trade scenarios they would accept/propose, do their own mock drafts, draft day dress rehearsals and finalizing their draft board.
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When Bridgewater bought the loss-of-value policy for less than $20,000, he was projected to be the No. 3 pick in the draft, and a source with knowledge of the policy said he will start to collect money if he falls out of the top 11.

With each drop in draft slot after that, Bridgewater will pick up hundreds of thousands of dollars.

The actual loss of value between being picked No. 3 in this year's draft versus No. 33, the first pick in the second round, is about $15 million. But if Bridgewater can prove that his slip had to do an injury or illness, the policy will result in him getting $5 million back.
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Mayock seems to becoming more of a talking parrot than actually evaluating talent
Yeah, Mayock lost me this year when I watched him summarizing Bridgewater's pro day while TB was still throwing in the background. Mike didn't even wait for or watch Teddy's complete script.

Friday Mayock admits that his rankings before now were based on "about 4" game tapes... which we all know means 3. So Mayock watched just 3 game tapes of an arguably at the time top 10 prospect to evaluate him on television/radio/print. He didn't put in the work. How many games did he watch of the next 30 prospects if a top 10 guy got just 3? He's not putting in the work.

So now he says he's "watched more tape" and changed his mind. IMO, just like Kiper, Mayock is tailoring his rankings based on what he's learning from real NFL scouts/teams. Mike is a media personality now. Which is fine... as long as we know the correct lens to view him through.
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Yeah, Mayock lost me this year when I watched him summarizing Bridgewater's pro day while TB was still throwing in the background. Mike didn't even wait for or watch Teddy's complete script.
If the kid can't throw a 80 MPH fastball, the kid can't throw an 80 MPH fastball. What else do you need to know?

If Mayock was like all the other talking heads he wouldn't be as honest as he is about some players. He would be more politically correct like the media and talking heads.
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If the kid can't throw a 80 MPH fastball, the kid can't throw an 80 MPH fastball. What else do you need to know?

If Mayock was like all the other talking heads he wouldn't be as honest as he is about some players. He would be more politically correct like the media and talking heads.
Your posts on this matter are filled with rants about the same bs argument. His lack of a 90 MPH fastball

Good thing this isn't baseball. He did not have a problem slinging it around vs Florida in the bowl game a few seasons ago. Didn't have a problem using his arm to dominate Miami this year in the bowl game. The kid can rifle it around when he needs to. Stop with the crappy agenda of spreading myths.

You are taking an attribute that is merely average and claiming its garbage. Its called over exaggerating and its starting to be annoying. Not to mention you still haven't even watched his pro day for yourself. Put in the work of watching film and pro days or stop posting about players.
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Your posts on this matter are filled with rants about the same bs argument. His lack of a 90 MPH fastball

Good thing this isn't baseball. He did not have a problem slinging it around vs Florida in the bowl game a few seasons ago. Didn't have a problem using his arm to dominate Miami this year in the bowl game. The kid can rifle it around when he needs to. Stop with the crappy agenda of spreading myths.

You are taking an attribute that is merely average and claiming its garbage. Its called over exaggerating and its starting to be annoying. Not to mention you still haven't even watched his pro day for yourself. Put in the work of watching film and pro days or stop posting about players.
Well if you've ever been to a ballgame and sat behind the dugout or home plate and watched a grown man throw a ball you would know exactly what I am talking about. If you haven't then you really don't know what you're talking about.
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Well if you've ever been to a ballgame and sat behind the dugout or home plate and watched a grown man throw a ball you would know exactly what I am talking about. If you haven't then you really don't know what you're talking about.

Once again this isn't baseball where you only need to be able to throw it hard, as an NFL qb you need to be able to throw accurate, be smart and read defenses, be able to feel pressure and elude it, and be able to with stand a beating. Teddy does all that in spades. You talk as if he has a lollipop for an arm, which couldn't be any more inaccurate if you tried.

But clearly it doesn't matter how many facts are brought to the table, you are a hater with nothing to back you up except for an over rated TV personality. Congratulations on thinking for yourself
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Once again this isn't baseball where you only need to be able to throw it hard, as an NFL qb you need to be able to throw accurate, be smart and read defenses, be able to feel pressure and elude it, and be able to with stand a beating. Teddy does all that in spades. You talk as if he has a lollipop for an arm, which couldn't be any more inaccurate if you tried.

But clearly it doesn't matter how many facts are brought to the table, you are a hater with nothing to back you up except for an over rated TV personality. Congratulations on thinking for yourself
It appears that NFL talent evaluators are more in agreement with Tex than you.

How TB's career turns out will be very interesting. Somebodies going to be wrong and have to pay with their jobs. To me TB is every bit the wildcard that JM is. Which is why I hope that Smith doesn't pick either one of them.
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My mind was made up when our biggest need being QB wasn't addressed in free agency. Last season he finished with four interceptions against 31 touchdowns. A year ago, that kind of season would have only reinforced the widely held belief that Bridgewater was a top-two pick in the 2014 draft. Bridgewater is drifting in credibility while former Pitt quarterback Tom Savage, who transferred twice and never got close to the statistical display shown consistently by Bridgewater, is perhaps the hottest name in the draft. Savage is 6-5 with a big arm, and he reminds scouts of Nick Foles, who switched his commitment from Arizona State to Michigan State and then left East Lansing for Arizona. So transferring is now a good sign?. Teddy took over as starter at age 18 and threw for nearly 10,000 yards over three seasons. His interception count dropped from 12 in his first year to 8 to 4. His intelligence and work ethic have never been questioned, and any concerns about his ability to beat top teams vanished more than a year ago, when Bridgewater dissected a Florida defense considered one of the best in the nation – led by coordinator Dan Quinn, who would leave after that Sugar Bowl for the Seahawks and a Super Bowl title. Savage's only comparable game came in 2013 when he took on title-bound Florida State and threw for 201 yards and two interceptions. One bad day won't erase all that for me we all know players have off days too bad Teddy had it when all his doubters were there and needed something to write about.
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My mind was made up when our biggest need being QB wasn't addressed in free agency. Last season he finished with four interceptions against 31 touchdowns. A year ago, that kind of season would have only reinforced the widely held belief that Bridgewater was a top-two pick in the 2014 draft.

Bridgewater is drifting in credibility while former Pitt quarterback Tom Savage, who transferred twice and never got close to the statistical display shown consistently by Bridgewater, is perhaps the hottest name in the draft. Savage is 6-5 with a big arm, and he reminds scouts of Nick Foles, who switched his commitment from Arizona State to Michigan State and then left East Lansing for Arizona. So transferring is now a good sign?.

Teddy took over as starter at age 18 and threw for nearly 10,000 yards over three seasons. His interception count dropped from 12 in his first year to 8 to 4. His intelligence and work ethic have never been questioned, and any concerns about his ability to beat top teams vanished more than a year ago, when Bridgewater dissected a Florida defense considered one of the best in the nation led by coordinator Dan Quinn, who would leave after that Sugar Bowl for the Seahawks and a Super Bowl title.

Savage's only comparable game came in 2013 when he took on title-bound Florida State and threw for 201 yards and two interceptions. One bad day won't erase all that for me we all know players have off days too bad Teddy had it when all his doubters were there and needed something to write about.
Well said bro. I took the liberty of spacing it out a little for you cause it was a good read, but a little tough of a read in 1 giant paragraph.
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Interesting.
So Bridgewater tanked his pro day to make money. That's would actually be a pretty smart move. You end up later in the draft so you are going to a better team who most likely already had a starter that you can be groomed by and you still make a ton of money. Very slick TB!
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