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Old 04-24-2014   #2521
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Good stuff Tex.

Good stuff Texian, not stupid, your opinion/stance.

I'm gonna make 5 predictions:

1. TB will be the best QB in this draft
2. EVERY other QB will not succeed (LEAD a team to a winning record) and NONE of them except TB and Bortles will be resigned in 4 years to starting QB money.
3. Clowney will have a good, but not amazing NFL career, a lot like Jevon Kearse. Flashed early, faded soon after.
4. Kony Ealy will have the most sacks of anyone in this draft (for career, year 1 I think it will be close but I give him the edge there too).
5. Mike Evans will have the best statistical NFL career of every WR in this draft (when I say statistical, I mean Fantasy Football PPR, you heard me)
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That's the best comparison I have seen/heard.

While hoping for more, I would not call that a bust though.
Especially is he fell to us at 2.1 - that would be a bargain I would say. Or even if we had to trade up a bit.
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I would not be opposed to trading up to 1.26 or so to nab Bortles/Manziel/Bridgewater if they fell down that far.
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I think it's a NO BRAINER that the Texans/O'Brien select Blake Bortles with the first pick in the 2014 NFL Draft. AND...over the next 10 years Bortles will have a winning % against Andrew Luck.

On the other hand, should the Texans pass on Blake Bortles it will go down as the biggest mistake in their franchise history.

How'd I do? How's that for calling your shot? Going out on a limb? Stupid? Wouldn't have gone there? Setting myself up for the biggest oops ever on this message board?
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I hope Andy Dalton isn't your benchmark for an NFL QB.

A combined playoff record of 0-3, 70 of 123 1 TD and 6 picks isn't what I'd be aiming for.
First I only used Andy because someone else posted they were the same player. I said their arm strengths are similar, but it was used to show that it is no big deal in the nfl, look at Dalton. In the regular season he is amongst the best in the deep ball completions. No OPINION of anyone in this form can dispute that.


Next, Dalton is only going into his 4th season. I want better than him and IMO Teddy is. I said Dalton is A POOR MANS TEDDY, meaning Teddy does what Andy does, but better.

And for the Jeff Garcia comparison.

The guy was mid 50 percent completion passer and was a 3:2 td:int ratio in college. Thats not a good comparison AT ALL. Jeffs ceiling (even in the pros) is not even Teddys floor.
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And for the Jeff Garcia comparison.

The guy was mid 50 percent completion passer and was a 3:2 td:int ratio in college. Thats not a good comparison AT ALL. Jeffs ceiling (even in the pros) is not even Teddys floor.
So with that logic Tom Brady wouldn't have much of a ceiling either. If you can't see the physical similarities in their games you either don't know what you are looking at or can't see the obvious. Jeff played until he was around 40 years old (Bridgewater only dreams of this currently) ....so I guess you are saying that Bridgewater is more akin to say Joe Montana or perhaps other QB's with good College TD to int ratio's like Andre Ware or Ty Detmer?
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So with that logic Tom Brady wouldn't have much of a ceiling either. If you can't see the physical similarities in their games you either don't know what you are looking at or can't see the obvious. Jeff played until he was around 40 years old (Bridgewater only dreams of this currently) ....so I guess you are saying that Bridgewater is more akin to say Joe Montana or perhaps other QB's with good College TD to int ratio's like Andre Ware or Ty Detmer?
No, Teddy is like none of those guys. There are 1000s of qb comparisons to be made and you pick the 4 people he is nothing like.

Garcia was a very late bloomer and even at his best was not elite.

Brady was also a late bloomer, but obviously is one of the greatest.

Teddy is more polished than both coming out (doesn't mean he will succeed, but I think he does). Teddy is ahead of where Tom and Jeff were when they came out, but he still has to do the work and make himself better. Will he do it? I don't know, but I think he will. His instincts, pocket movement, ball placement and ability to read a defense is something that cannot be taught quickly. I am a firm believer in natural ability and he has it in spades. Now add in a crazy good work ethic and a great arm (without top rated velocity) and you have a recipe for a potentially great qb. Isn't that what we all want? A great qb.....Teddy is the guy.
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So with that logic Tom Brady wouldn't have much of a ceiling either. If you can't see the physical similarities in their games you either don't know what you are looking at or can't see the obvious. Jeff played until he was around 40 years old (Bridgewater only dreams of this currently) ....so I guess you are saying that Bridgewater is more akin to say Joe Montana or perhaps other QB's with good College TD to int ratio's like Andre Ware or Ty Detmer?
Maybe I remember Garcia wrong, never followed him much, but wasn`t he kind of a gunslinger? TB is far from a gunslinger, more of a gamemanger type. I think I would compare him more to an Alex Smith - a guy that rarely does mistakes, has a high completion percentage, is mobile but not a runner, and also rarely takes chances deep. Of course I`d hope he has a higher ceiling (he seems to have a higher competitive nature).
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Maybe I remember Garcia wrong, never followed him much, but wasn`t he kind of a gunslinger? TB is far from a gunslinger, more of a gamemanger type. I think I would compare him more to an Alex Smith - a guy that rarely does mistakes, has a high completion percentage, is mobile but not a runner, and also rarely takes chances deep. Of course I`d hope he has a higher ceiling (he seems to have a higher competitive nature).
Alex Smith is a good comparison.

If TB tuns out to be as good as Alex Smith whoever drafts him should be happy.

Smith has good but not elite skills and plays big in big games. I also think Smith's arm is stronger than TB's at this time. Of course TB has yrs to strengthen his arm and improve his mechanics. Will he is the question, Smith did.
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At first I was resisting the Alex Smith comparison, but the more I think about it the more it makes sense when you remember what Smith was coming out of college.

Lower level of competition (MWC vs AAC), underrated athleticism, thin frame (Smith is thicker but not really by much), accurate passer on short/intermediate throws, not great at throwing the deep ball, reputation as a quiet leader and a game manager, etc.
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Mike Mayock: I wouldn’t use a first-round pick on Teddy Bridgewater

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...y-bridgewater/
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Mike Mayock: I wouldn’t use a first-round pick on Teddy Bridgewater

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...y-bridgewater/
So I guess Mayock doesn't believe the glove will solve his issues.
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So I guess Mayock doesn't believe the glove will solve his issues.
Yep, no magic glove for Mayock.
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Alex Smith is a good comparison.

If TB tuns out to be as good as Alex Smith whoever drafts him should be happy.

Smith has good but not elite skills and plays big in big games. I also think Smith's arm is stronger than TB's at this time. Of course TB has yrs to strengthen his arm and improve his mechanics. Will he is the question, Smith did.
This is who I have been comparing him to.
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Mike Mayock: I wouldn’t use a first-round pick on Teddy Bridgewater

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...y-bridgewater/
He had quite a different take on Game Changers. Can't find the link but he said that TB was the most pro ready and his only concern was his frame.


Mayock seems to becoming more of a talking parrot than actually evaluating talent
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He had quite a different take on Game Changers. Can't find the link but he said that TB was the most pro ready and his only concern was his frame.


Mayock seems to becoming more of a talking parrot than actually evaluating talent
Was that pre or post Bridgewater pro day? Mayock has been fairly consistent in his post pro day Bridgewater disappointment. In the article Mayock explains that. Pre pro day TB was his #1 QB.
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Teddy compares more to Aaron Rodgers in my book. good pre snap reads, accuracy, pro-style offense, strength is short to medium range, will have to develop long arm range like Rodgers. Does not panic, unlike Alex Smith. makes good decisions & keeps eyes downfield. Think Rodgers is about same size too 6020. Alex Smith on other hand is plus side of 6040 played in a spread scheme coming out of Utah. just my
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Teddy compares more to Aaron Rodgers in my book. good pre snap reads, accuracy, pro-style offense, strength is short to medium range, will have to develop long arm range like Rodgers. Does not panic, unlike Alex Smith. makes good decisions & keeps eyes downfield. Think Rodgers is about same size too 6020. Alex Smith on other hand is plus side of 6040 played in a spread scheme coming out of Utah. just my
I can see how Bridgewater fits your description of Rodgers, however I also see Aj McCarron fitting the same description. Then depending on how you define "pro style" (we've talked about this before) Bortles & Garoppolo can squeeze into that same description (both making calls & adjustments at the line).

I don't think Bridgewater is any worse than I thought he was when I first started looking at him back in January. I never thought his command of a pro style offense set him apart from this class as much as others thought. McCarron, Murray, Mettenberger all operated a pro style system with lots of success. Then you've got Savage who didn't have the production, but there are extenuating circumstances there that need to be taken into account. Then when you look at the responsibilities Garoppolo & Bortles handled though their offenses "looked" different...

But only so many QBs are going to go in the first round. my Bridgewater is settling where he should have been (where I saw him) in the first place.
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I seriously hope the TB critiscm continues to rise. It would be awesome to grab him at the top of the second round and get someone like Clowney, Robinson or Watkins with the first pick.
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That's the best comparison I have seen/heard.

While hoping for more, I would not call that a bust though.
It's a fair comparison in projecting what Bridgewater could become. But not even close to how they came out of college. Garcia wasn't remotely the QB that Bridgewater is.

I think Russell Wilson and Drew Brees are very fair comparisons to Bridgewater coming out of college. Very productive, lots of exepience, undersized. Neither Wilson or Brees were 1st round picks. But in retrospect, they should have been. Brees has had the best career of any 2001 draftee, including his future HOF teammate Tomlinson. In a re-draft of 2012, Wilson would hands down be the 3rd pick behind Luck and RGIII. And a case can be made that he's been the most productive and efficient of the 3, thus far.
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