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Old 04-23-2014   #2501
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The post season workouts falsely inflate low tier guys and makes guys like Teddy seem irrelevant, when reality is, Teddy is by far the best qb in this draft. He just isn't flashy or outspoken so the media won't hitch their wagons to him.

The guy did NOTHING to hurt his draft he actually played better this season, and he went from a lock as the first pick to possibly dropping out of the first round? Thats ludicrous.

If you prefer Blake fine, its ok to have your opinion. Its just a wrong one. Youll see the error of your ways in time.
If you think Teddy is the ONLY top tier QB in this draft, that's your prerogative. Most will disagree. Yes, Teddy put up better stats, he was stellar this year. (technically, he & Bortles had the same number of TDs and Johnny had FAR more than either)

He did hurt himself with the dropping of weight after the combine and then having a mediocre showing at his Pro day coincidental with his first non-gloved showing. Pretending that he's some "lock" as the #1 QB is wishful thinking. (That applies equally to every QB in this draft)

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Players who "drop" and "rise" do so via the media. I really doubt teams move players up or down much after evaluating all the film. Character or health concerns might move them, but Combines, Pro Days and visits aren't going to move a player far on a teams board.
I guess it depends on what you consider "much". 5 spots, ten spots, a round? Folks like Nick Foles and Drew Brees sure fell. Sure there's others, but it happens often enough across all the positions. Psychology dictates that unless the performance is FAR outside the norm, it'll serve to reinforce your pre-existing fears/worries/concerns. So, if you were worried about TB having smallish hands, he likely reinforced that worry.
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Teddy is falling on draft boards and no real reason why...
Two possibilities: 1) the draft media was wrong on TB and as we get closer to the draft and teams build their boards NFL evals trickle down to the media and they adjust, or 2) it lying season and TB is one of the prospects on the receiving end this year...

We'll know in 15 days.
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Dalton's issues are caused by a whole lot more than his arm strength. He struggles with accuracy and he panics under pressure. He turns the ball over way too much because of this.

TB is more accurate than Dalton ever was and he makes better decisions under pressure. They both have average arms and decent mobility, but the comparison should end there IMO.
TB=Dalton coming out of college in terms of accuracy. Both are accurate but not elite accuracy. IMHO

Same with pocket presence/mobility. Which is why TB has fallen so far.
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Bro.............. if you cant laugh at a joke with Doge then I don't know what else to tell ya.
Sorry still don't get it.
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1. Revan - hilarious picture

2. Thunder - you make your argument for Collin Kaep, but you gotta understand that Alex Smith was a field goal away from taking that same team to the super bowl the year before. Different level of QB play when all you need to do on the 9ers is not lose the game, here on the Texans you are required to win it.

3. Mussop - We get you, you and Thunder have said this same thing since page 1 of this thread, over 124 pages ago. And every Teddy supporter has said they disagree, and that there is REAL separation between TB and those 2nd round guys.

4. Obviously if the difference between the 2 was non-existent you would love to take the later round guy. This same logic dictates you should often see like 8 QBs making a name for themselves every draft. Yet 4 years later how many of those 8 resign starting QB deals and how many fade into obscurity as journeymen never to have their names called again.

5. If you can take Clowney and TB go for it, I doubt the slide is as big as everyone thinks, only time will tell though.

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Number 3, OB disagrees with you and them. It was him who said there isn't much seperation.

Number 4, makes ZERO sense. Every draft is different.
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TB=Dalton coming out of college in terms of accuracy. Both are accurate but not elite accuracy. IMHO

Same with pocket presence/mobility. Which is why TB has fallen so far.
I strongly disagree, but we each have our own opinion.

TB completed 68% of his passes in 3 years as a starter in a pro system. Dalton completed 61% in 4 years as a starter, mostly in a spread system. Not many people questioned TB being the most accurate QB in this draft until after his Pro Day. On film, his anticipation and ball placement are excellent and he was widely regarded as extremely accurate until his Pro Day.

Dalton is probably more mobile, but his pocket presence was iffy. He didn't always feel pressure and was forced to scramble a lot because of it. When you watch TB, he rarely is forced to scramble because he is aware and gets the ball out.

The reason TB is presumed to be falling is because he didn't display the same elite accuracy from the film during his Pro Day. His passes weren't as crisp or as accurate. He also doesn't display ideal arm strength or measureables unlike some of the risers in this draft class.
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Two possibilities: 1) the draft media was wrong on TB and as we get closer to the draft and teams build their boards NFL evals trickle down to the media and they adjust, or 2) it lying season and TB is one of the prospects on the receiving end this year...

We'll know in 15 days.
^^^ This.

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I wasn't being a jerk. I really didn't get the joke.
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I wasn't being a jerk. I really didn't get the joke.
I didn't either. Apparently it's a thing: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=doge
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I didn't either. Apparently it's a thing: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=doge
Most Narcissist don't?
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Just trying to lighten up the mood here guys, once the draft comes we still have to wait until preseason to see how our guys, no matter where they end up, pan out.
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Most Narcissist don't?
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Just trying to lighten up the mood here guys, once the draft comes we still have to wait until preseason to see how our guys, no matter where they end up, pan out.
I'm good. I still don't get it but that's ok.
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I strongly disagree, but we each have our own opinion.

TB completed 68% of his passes in 3 years as a starter in a pro system. Dalton completed 61% in 4 years as a starter, mostly in a spread system. Not many people questioned TB being the most accurate QB in this draft until after his Pro Day. On film, his anticipation and ball placement are excellent and he was widely regarded as extremely accurate until his Pro Day.

Dalton is probably more mobile, but his pocket presence was iffy. He didn't always feel pressure and was forced to scramble a lot because of it. When you watch TB, he rarely is forced to scramble because he is aware and gets the ball out.

The reason TB is presumed to be falling is because he didn't display the same elite accuracy from the film during his Pro Day. His passes weren't as crisp or as accurate. He also doesn't display ideal arm strength or measureables unlike some of the risers in this draft class.
I gotta argue with this .....


I've stated for months that TB lacked arm strength and his accuracy was .... not all its cracked up to be.


He wasn't making downfield throws , rather he was throwing a lot of touch passes , throws he just wont be able to make in the NFL and if he does make them , they'll turn into INT's.

That I think , along with his spindly legs (damn they are skinny) are the two biggest questions.

Now , I might not be the consensus ..... but I've said it from the get go.
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The comparisons to Andy Dalton are dramatic. Dalton is the poor mans Teddy Bridgewater. Every thing Dalton does, Teddy does better. Arm strength is the only thing they may be similar in. And that seems to work out just fine for Dalton in the NFL. Andy Dalton was 4th in 20 and 40 plus yard completions combined this past season. That "weak arm" sure hurts him

Accuracy and smart qb play are way more important than being flashy. Just ask VY and J Russel. They had lasers with no smarts and composure.
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Accuracy and smart qb play are way more important than being flashy.
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I gotta argue with this .....


I've stated for months that TB lacked arm strength and his accuracy was .... not all its cracked up to be.


He wasn't making downfield throws , rather he was throwing a lot of touch passes , throws he just wont be able to make in the NFL and if he does make them , they'll turn into INT's.

That I think , along with his spindly legs (damn they are skinny) are the two biggest questions.

Now , I might not be the consensus ..... but I've said it from the get go.
I got no problem with that. We all see different things when we watch the tape. I just can't stand to see all of these Player A = Player X comparisons stated as fact/opinion with no argument behind it at all.
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The comparisons to Andy Dalton are dramatic. Dalton is the poor mans Teddy Bridgewater. Every thing Dalton does, Teddy does better. Arm strength is the only thing they may be similar in. And that seems to work out just fine for Dalton in the NFL. Andy Dalton was 4th in 20 and 40 plus yard completions combined this past season. That "weak arm" sure hurts him

Accuracy and smart qb play are way more important than being flashy. Just ask VY and J Russel. They had lasers with no smarts and composure.
I hope Andy Dalton isn't your benchmark for an NFL QB.

A combined playoff record of 0-3, 70 of 123 1 TD and 6 picks isn't what I'd be aiming for.
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The comparisons to Andy Dalton are dramatic. Dalton is the poor mans Teddy Bridgewater. Every thing Dalton does, Teddy does better. Arm strength is the only thing they may be similar in. And that seems to work out just fine for Dalton in the NFL. Andy Dalton was 4th in 20 and 40 plus yard completions combined this past season. That "weak arm" sure hurts him

Accuracy and smart qb play are way more important than being flashy. Just ask VY and J Russel. They had lasers with no smarts and composure.
I think the best comparison is Jeff Garcia. If you like Garcia you will like Bridgewater's game. They are identical players. I can only speak for myself but I want better than that long term.
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I got no problem with that. We all see different things when we watch the tape. I just can't stand to see all of these Player A = Player X comparisons stated as fact/opinion with no argument behind it at all.
If you feel this way, don't read the post above me, lol.

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Screw you Goodell for pushing it back so far, it should be this weekend...

We need to have a call your shots scoreboard area in this forum. I'm sorry, I know I'm probably way too competitive, but I think that would be cool. Then we could look back on it from time to time when we see something completely outlandish and it will make sense to us.

The scoring should include where they were actually drafted, their 1 year after being drafted eval, 2 years, and 3 years.
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