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Old 04-23-2014   #2501
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Bro.............. if you cant laugh at a joke with Doge then I don't know what else to tell ya.
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1. Revan - hilarious picture

2. Thunder - you make your argument for Collin Kaep, but you gotta understand that Alex Smith was a field goal away from taking that same team to the super bowl the year before. Different level of QB play when all you need to do on the 9ers is not lose the game, here on the Texans you are required to win it.

3. Mussop - We get you, you and Thunder have said this same thing since page 1 of this thread, over 124 pages ago. And every Teddy supporter has said they disagree, and that there is REAL separation between TB and those 2nd round guys.

4. Obviously if the difference between the 2 was non-existent you would love to take the later round guy. This same logic dictates you should often see like 8 QBs making a name for themselves every draft. Yet 4 years later how many of those 8 resign starting QB deals and how many fade into obscurity as journeymen never to have their names called again.

5. If you can take Clowney and TB go for it, I doubt the slide is as big as everyone thinks, only time will tell though.

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Number 3, OB disagrees with you and them. It was him who said there isn't much seperation.

Number 4, makes ZERO sense. Every draft is different.
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TB=Dalton coming out of college in terms of accuracy. Both are accurate but not elite accuracy. IMHO

Same with pocket presence/mobility. Which is why TB has fallen so far.
I strongly disagree, but we each have our own opinion.

TB completed 68% of his passes in 3 years as a starter in a pro system. Dalton completed 61% in 4 years as a starter, mostly in a spread system. Not many people questioned TB being the most accurate QB in this draft until after his Pro Day. On film, his anticipation and ball placement are excellent and he was widely regarded as extremely accurate until his Pro Day.

Dalton is probably more mobile, but his pocket presence was iffy. He didn't always feel pressure and was forced to scramble a lot because of it. When you watch TB, he rarely is forced to scramble because he is aware and gets the ball out.

The reason TB is presumed to be falling is because he didn't display the same elite accuracy from the film during his Pro Day. His passes weren't as crisp or as accurate. He also doesn't display ideal arm strength or measureables unlike some of the risers in this draft class.
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Two possibilities: 1) the draft media was wrong on TB and as we get closer to the draft and teams build their boards NFL evals trickle down to the media and they adjust, or 2) it lying season and TB is one of the prospects on the receiving end this year...

We'll know in 15 days.
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I wasn't being a jerk. I really didn't get the joke.
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I wasn't being a jerk. I really didn't get the joke.
I didn't either. Apparently it's a thing: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=doge
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I didn't either. Apparently it's a thing: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=doge
Most Narcissist don't?
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Just trying to lighten up the mood here guys, once the draft comes we still have to wait until preseason to see how our guys, no matter where they end up, pan out.
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Most Narcissist don't?
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Just trying to lighten up the mood here guys, once the draft comes we still have to wait until preseason to see how our guys, no matter where they end up, pan out.
I'm good. I still don't get it but that's ok.
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I strongly disagree, but we each have our own opinion.

TB completed 68% of his passes in 3 years as a starter in a pro system. Dalton completed 61% in 4 years as a starter, mostly in a spread system. Not many people questioned TB being the most accurate QB in this draft until after his Pro Day. On film, his anticipation and ball placement are excellent and he was widely regarded as extremely accurate until his Pro Day.

Dalton is probably more mobile, but his pocket presence was iffy. He didn't always feel pressure and was forced to scramble a lot because of it. When you watch TB, he rarely is forced to scramble because he is aware and gets the ball out.

The reason TB is presumed to be falling is because he didn't display the same elite accuracy from the film during his Pro Day. His passes weren't as crisp or as accurate. He also doesn't display ideal arm strength or measureables unlike some of the risers in this draft class.
I gotta argue with this .....


I've stated for months that TB lacked arm strength and his accuracy was .... not all its cracked up to be.


He wasn't making downfield throws , rather he was throwing a lot of touch passes , throws he just wont be able to make in the NFL and if he does make them , they'll turn into INT's.

That I think , along with his spindly legs (damn they are skinny) are the two biggest questions.

Now , I might not be the consensus ..... but I've said it from the get go.
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The comparisons to Andy Dalton are dramatic. Dalton is the poor mans Teddy Bridgewater. Every thing Dalton does, Teddy does better. Arm strength is the only thing they may be similar in. And that seems to work out just fine for Dalton in the NFL. Andy Dalton was 4th in 20 and 40 plus yard completions combined this past season. That "weak arm" sure hurts him

Accuracy and smart qb play are way more important than being flashy. Just ask VY and J Russel. They had lasers with no smarts and composure.
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Accuracy and smart qb play are way more important than being flashy.
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I gotta argue with this .....


I've stated for months that TB lacked arm strength and his accuracy was .... not all its cracked up to be.


He wasn't making downfield throws , rather he was throwing a lot of touch passes , throws he just wont be able to make in the NFL and if he does make them , they'll turn into INT's.

That I think , along with his spindly legs (damn they are skinny) are the two biggest questions.

Now , I might not be the consensus ..... but I've said it from the get go.
I got no problem with that. We all see different things when we watch the tape. I just can't stand to see all of these Player A = Player X comparisons stated as fact/opinion with no argument behind it at all.
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The comparisons to Andy Dalton are dramatic. Dalton is the poor mans Teddy Bridgewater. Every thing Dalton does, Teddy does better. Arm strength is the only thing they may be similar in. And that seems to work out just fine for Dalton in the NFL. Andy Dalton was 4th in 20 and 40 plus yard completions combined this past season. That "weak arm" sure hurts him

Accuracy and smart qb play are way more important than being flashy. Just ask VY and J Russel. They had lasers with no smarts and composure.
I hope Andy Dalton isn't your benchmark for an NFL QB.

A combined playoff record of 0-3, 70 of 123 1 TD and 6 picks isn't what I'd be aiming for.
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The comparisons to Andy Dalton are dramatic. Dalton is the poor mans Teddy Bridgewater. Every thing Dalton does, Teddy does better. Arm strength is the only thing they may be similar in. And that seems to work out just fine for Dalton in the NFL. Andy Dalton was 4th in 20 and 40 plus yard completions combined this past season. That "weak arm" sure hurts him

Accuracy and smart qb play are way more important than being flashy. Just ask VY and J Russel. They had lasers with no smarts and composure.
I think the best comparison is Jeff Garcia. If you like Garcia you will like Bridgewater's game. They are identical players. I can only speak for myself but I want better than that long term.
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I got no problem with that. We all see different things when we watch the tape. I just can't stand to see all of these Player A = Player X comparisons stated as fact/opinion with no argument behind it at all.
If you feel this way, don't read the post above me, lol.

14 days 4 hours 45 minutes

Screw you Goodell for pushing it back so far, it should be this weekend...

We need to have a call your shots scoreboard area in this forum. I'm sorry, I know I'm probably way too competitive, but I think that would be cool. Then we could look back on it from time to time when we see something completely outlandish and it will make sense to us.

The scoring should include where they were actually drafted, their 1 year after being drafted eval, 2 years, and 3 years.
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I think the best comparison is Jeff Garcia. If you like Garcia you will like Bridgewater's game. They are identical players. I can only speak for myself but I want better than that long term.
That's the best comparison I have seen/heard.

While hoping for more, I would not call that a bust though.
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14 days 4 hours 45 minutes

Screw you Goodell for pushing it back so far, it should be this weekend...

We need to have a call your shots scoreboard area in this forum. I'm sorry, I know I'm probably way too competitive, but I think that would be cool. Then we could look back on it from time to time when we see something completely outlandish and it will make sense to us.

The scoring should include where they were actually drafted, their 1 year after being drafted eval, 2 years, and 3 years.
I'd be down for that..It'd be interesting to look back on. As for me, as much as i liked TB in the beginning, i kind of fell back on him after his pro day if for no other reason, you absolutely can't put up that kind of performance in a setting scripted exclusively for you if you're trying to separate yourself from the pack. To piggyback off that, The glove thing was sort of pushed back to the forefront b/c of mediocore pro day...

- Maybe his performance without gloves at his pro day was an aberation seeing as though he hasn't played without them in like 4 years...

-Maybe its what he "really" looks like..who knows.

I just know i don't want that kind of gamble at 1:1 or even 1:15 at this point.

So if i'm calling my shot, i say that he still goes in the 1st but he'll be the 3rd guy of the 3 taken...probably somewhere in the 24th-32nd area. Some team in desperate need of a qb who passed on 1 with an earlier pick will trade back into the 1st to get him.

Someone will fall in love with Bortles' measurables and take him 1st..probably around the 3rd to 11th area...Manziel will go to a surprise team looking for publicity like NYJ or Dallas..or a team who's not necessarily in need of a qb at this moment, but will likely need 1 in a few years ( Arizona, Cincy.....Dallas.. perhaps SD)..and then TB in the area i specified above.

As for who i think will have the better career? TB of course. Manziel will flash early & be exposed later ala Mark Sanchez..Bortles will be a TO machine who will never quite earn his HC's confidence...ala christian ponder, jake locker.

& TB will be a good starting qb in the league...not an elite guy, but a guy you'll be able to hang your hat on week in & week out with a couple of flashes here and there...Matt Ryan-esque.
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We need to have a call your shots scoreboard area in this forum.
I think it's a NO BRAINER that the Texans/O'Brien select Blake Bortles with the first pick in the 2014 NFL Draft. AND...over the next 10 years Bortles will have a winning % against Andrew Luck.

On the other hand, should the Texans pass on Blake Bortles it will go down as the biggest mistake in their franchise history.

How'd I do? How's that for calling your shot? Going out on a limb? Stupid? Wouldn't have gone there? Setting myself up for the biggest oops ever on this message board?
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