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Old 03-17-2014   #2101
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I noticed that too. I have it on here at work and can honestly say I am beyond annoyed with these St. Patricks crap on NFL network. And you are right, TB was going through his workout and these Warner and Mayock were just going on and on on how bad TB was doing and how he was missing throws and what not, I had to use the link someone provided earlier because NFL network wasn't showing anything TB was doing. To me it seems like some people came here with their minds made up.
The Jags link was driving me nuts. It's great if you only wanted to see his footwork and delivery angle. They really needed to pan back some.

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One thing is pretty clear around here, you either love Bridgewater or you hate him.
Or you're on the fence as to whether he's worth 1:1 (pretty much how I feel about the entire crop). Put another way, there's 5 or 6 guys I'd be thrilled to get at 1:15.
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Warner said Bridgewater is long, lean. Often won't have time to use full body in #NFL. Must make compact throws, relying on torso for push.

Warner said Bridgewater's footwork issue could be problem in #NFL. Primarily affects throwing. Uses arm more than torso to throw.

Kurt Warner on Bridgewater: "Probably not as good as I think he expected. I think he missed a few more throws than you expect at a pro day."

Warner is overall impressed by Bridgewater but said passing was a little disappointing considering controlled environment. #NFL #Texans

Kurt Warner said Bridgewater wasn't as accurate as expected. Also needs to improve footwork for #NFL.

#Texans GM Rick Smith said he was impressed by Louisville's overall pro day. Only part of puzzle for specific players, though.

Teddy Bridgewater said he feels plan to only throw/run at pro day worked out for him. Decision made by him and his agent. #NFL #Texans

Bridgewater said he has "something set up soon" with #Texans. Only met with one team in Louisville before pro day. #NFL

Bridgewater's ideal weight is about 220/225. Lost weight in Florida during training. Recently dealt with a cold in Louisville before pro day.

Teddy Bridgewater acknowledged his accuracy was "nowhere near" where he wanted it be as a "perfectionist." #NFL #Texans

Teddy Bridgewater said decision remains whether he'll use gloves in the future.

Teddy Bridgewater didn't use gloves during pre-pro day training in Florida. Said he just stayed with what was working.

Teddy Bridgewater said his throwing motion was the same. Slightly tweaked footwork. Believes he did "pretty good." #NFL #Texans

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That cold thing is bothering me...

I mean...it could be totally true...But still...
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Honestly, I don't think that's true...

But I think that's a lot of people's perception.

You say one thing negative or positive about any of these guys and you get labled as a lover or a hater.
I think it is true. I think a lot of people love Bridgewater but don't even know exactly why. His true value is in a talent that is intangible (his brain).

And I think a lot of people really don't like Bridgewater but don't know why.

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The Jags link was driving me nuts. It's great if you only wanted to see his footwork and delivery angle. They really needed to pan back some.

Or you're on the fence as to whether he's worth 1:1 (pretty much how I feel about the entire crop). Put another way, there's 5 or 6 guys I'd be thrilled to get at 1:15.
I'm with you. I think he is the best shot in this draft at a franchise QB, but he's not a guarantee and there are some other pretty nice options available to us.
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One thing is pretty clear around here, you either love Bridgewater or you hate him.
What do you gotta say about his pro day bro? To be honest, I believe there are less than 3 people in this message board that can watch stuff like this and give an accurate assessment. I believe you're one of them.

FWIW - I am not one either, and don't think I'm calling anyone here out, I just think most people are full of S and go off of stupid reporters that are also full of S.
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Honestly, I don't think that's true...

But I think that's a lot of people's perception.

You say one thing negative or positive about any of these guys and you get labled as a lover or a hater.
^^^^ Yes. This.

I've got a lot of doubts about Bridgewater. I'm definitely not sold on him at 1-1 although if we're going to go QB at 1-1 in this draft, I think he's the guy.

I don't love him. I don't hate him. I'd prefer to draft several other people at 1-1 before him.

But even so, that doesn't make that throw a "throwing it up for grabs" throw.

This whole black and white thing about players and opinions is really intellectually lazy. "You don't agree with me, therefore... you're BIASED AND YOU'RE A _____ (fill in the blank with lover or hater.)" I hate that.
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What do you gotta say about his pro day bro? To be honest, I believe there are less than 3 people in this message board that can watch stuff like this and give an accurate assessment. I believe you're one of them.

FWIW - I am not one either, and don't think I'm calling anyone here out, I just think most people are full of S and go off of stupid reporters that are also full of S.
I thought he looked meh. But I also literally do not care. Tom Brady also looked meh when he worked out in shorts. Then you have guys like Gabbert who look amazing when throwing against air but just can't play the position mentally. Here's a fun read:

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There is nothing exceptional about Bridgewater physically. And I think you can easily see that when he works out in shorts. What you can't see in this environment are the mental things, which is where he stands out and which are also the most important things a QB has to have at the next level.

In a pro day or combine setting all I'm looking for is to make sure that the guy really does have the physical skills that he appears to on tape. Bridgewater showed that. Everything else is on film. If you already know that Bridgewater is not an exceptional physical specimen then why would you knock him for not looking like one at his pro day?

Football is played in pads and too many guys base their evaluations on things that happen when the pads are off. Those guys also end up getting fired.
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That cold thing is bothering me...

I mean...it could be totally true...But still...
I'm serious when I say I think there's a problem around weight and/or food for him.

He played last year ~190 lbs. and looked fine to me.
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^^^^ Yes. This.

I've got a lot of doubts about Bridgewater. I'm definitely not sold on him at 1-1 although if we're going to go QB at 1-1 in this draft, I think he's the guy.

I don't love him. I don't hate him. I'd prefer to draft several other people at 1-1 before him.

But even so, that doesn't make that throw a "throwing it up for grabs" throw.

This whole black and white thing about players and opinions is really intellectually lazy. "You don't agree with me, therefore... you're BIASED AND YOU'RE A _____ (fill in the blank with lover or hater.)" I hate that.
Completely agree. I don't see any of these QB's in such a black and white manner. Each have issues. And at this point I still don't see any of them at 1-1 but if we reach for a QB I understand that as well. I feel more confident about a couple of others more than the QB's at that spot though.

Reports from this proday sure didn't change that feeling.
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And I think a lot of people really don't like Bridgewater but don't know why.
I'm sure I come across as someone who doesn't like Bridgewater. I don't hate him.

I think I've been pretty straight forward saying I don't watch college football & rely on what the draftniks here & to a lesser extent those around the country say.

I do my little bit of youtube scouting, going so far as to watching a few complete games... still I admit nowhere near the work others have done.

If y'all say he's the best QB in this draft, I don't argue. Y'all have been watching him for 3 years.

At the same time, I know a little, or at least I believe I do. There are certain things that go into a QB grade, size being one of them. Level of competition another. I'm not enamored with his footwork, or anything about his technique... & everything I see has him graded as a mid 1st rounder at best. If there were a lack of talent in this class, I can see a top 10 pick, but so far, this draft has as much elite talent in it as most..... so that's not the case.

Another thing that gets me, is I don't understand how he can be graded so highly by most here, but then the other QBs are so far behind... doesn't make sense. The NFL combine grades looked a lot closer where Bortles got a 6.4 & McCarron got a 5.6 with several QBs in between. Not exactly the way I grade them, but the spread isn't as wide as the talk here would have you believe.

To me, the only one that has that extra something-something that would propel a mid 1st QB into the top 5 is Johnny Manziel, but I believe guys like him that go that high rarely works out... even though I wouldn't mind having a Michael Vick or Cam Newton type player right about now.

Intangibles count... I'm not saying otherwise, but surely you agree that someone like me can't grade intangibles after looking at them for what... 2 months now?

So if the Texans draft TeddyB, I hope y'all are right & I hope we're all right about Bill O'Brien... if we're not, then it don't matter who our QB is.
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I'm sure I come across as someone who doesn't like Bridgewater. I don't hate him.

I think I've been pretty straight forward saying I don't watch college football & rely on what the draftniks here & to a lesser extent those around the country say.

I do my little bit of youtube scouting, going so far as to watching a few complete games... still I admit nowhere near the work others have done.

If y'all say he's the best QB in this draft, I don't argue. Y'all have been watching him for 3 years.

At the same time, I know a little, or at least I believe I do. There are certain things that go into a QB grade, size being one of them. Level of competition another. I'm not enamored with his footwork, or anything about his technique... & everything I see has him graded as a mid 1st rounder at best. If there were a lack of talent in this class, I can see a top 10 pick, but so far, this draft has as much elite talent in it as most..... so that's not the case.

Another thing that gets me, is I don't understand how he can be graded so highly by most here, but then the other QBs are so far behind... doesn't make sense. The NFL combine grades looked a lot closer where Bortles got a 6.4 & McCarron got a 5.6 with several QBs in between. Not exactly the way I grade them, but the spread isn't as wide as the talk here would have you believe.

To me, the only one that has that extra something-something that would propel a mid 1st QB into the top 5 is Johnny Manziel, but I believe guys like him that go that high rarely works out... even though I wouldn't mind having a Michael Vick or Cam Newton type player right about now.

Intangibles count... I'm not saying otherwise, but surely you agree that someone like me can't grade intangibles after looking at them for what... 2 months now?

So if the Texans draft TeddyB, I hope y'all are right & I hope we're all right about Bill O'Brien... if we're not, then it don't matter who our QB is.
I actually didn't have you in mind...for once.

I don't agree with a lot of your stances but I do respect your ability to give reasons for why you think what you think. Your stance on Bridgewater has never been hazy.
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Another thing that gets me, is I don't understand how he can be graded so highly by most here, but then the other QBs are so far behind... doesn't make sense. The NFL combine grades looked a lot closer where Bortles got a 6.4 & McCarron got a 5.6 with several QBs in between. Not exactly the way I grade them, but the spread isn't as wide as the talk here would have you believe.
You're looking at those NFL Grades and you're thinking... oh... 5.6 is pretty close to a 6.4. But. It isn't.

A 7.0+ grade is a top-5 pick. Not many of those get handed out. In the 6.9-6.4 range, you've got guys going in the top 10. A 5.9-6.4 grade is a solid first round pick.

From 5.6-5.5 is a mid-third round to a second round pick. And then it's a log jam. 5.3 and 5.4 guys are probably 4th-5th round. 5.3-5.1 are 6-7th round guys.

Roughly speaking.

So that NFL 5.6 grade is closer to a 5.3 than to a 6.4 grade in a lot of ways.
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"Me personally, I don't get nervous because I trust myself, I'm confident in myself," Bridgewater said.
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I thought he looked meh. But I also literally do not care. Tom Brady also looked meh when he worked out in shorts. Then you have guys like Gabbert who look amazing when throwing against air but just can't play the position mentally. Here's a fun read:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...bbert-pro-day/



There is nothing exceptional about Bridgewater physically. And I think you can easily see that when he works out in shorts. What you can't see in this environment are the mental things, which is where he stands out and which are also the most important things a QB has to have at the next level.

In a pro day or combine setting all I'm looking for is to make sure that the guy really does have the physical skills that he appears to on tape. Bridgewater showed that. Everything else is on film. If you already know that Bridgewater is not an exceptional physical specimen then why would you knock him for not looking like one at his pro day?

Football is played in pads and too many guys base their evaluations on things that happen when the pads are off. Those guys also end up getting fired.
This is pretty much me and I've said so many times. The texans will personally work him out mentally and again physically private. I don't even watch pro days for the most part. I remember jake locker throwing all short route for a guy with a cannon because he had accuracy problems. I remember everyone in awe with jamarcus russell throwing darts 50 yds down the field. The qb has to be the smartset player on field and have to be able to ingest and know everyones assignment. That's been my thing with bridgewater,his football intelligence. We will see what the front office thinks one way or another
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I'm not terribly excited about Teddy Bridgewater. If the Texans end up drafting him I just feel like he'll become a big-time project. I feel the same way abour Johnny Manziel. I actually like Blake Bortles the most out of the three.

I don't even know if Teddy Bridgewater is going to be as good in the pros as a healthy Cam Newton or Robert Griffin III. I'd rather gamble on a quarterback in the second or third round, where guys like Colin Kaepernick and Russell Wilson were drafted.

Jimmy Garoppolo would be my dream choice at pick #33 if he's on the board.
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If you don't think this pass isn't "throwing it up for grabs", I can't help you.

You guys made the mistake of bringing Manziel into this. Had you not, disaacks3 is likely to not call everyone TB lovers. You point out that Manziel is tossing it up for grabs, when he clearly is, and compare it to Bridgewater and disaacks3 has to defend his boy. Haters gonna hate, as he would say. What was it that icak called it? The Manziel Defense League?

Anyone who can't see the difference between these two throws is seriously biased. He is right in saying that every QB throws it up for grabs at some point. Some do more than others.

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You guys made the mistake of bringing Manziel into this. Had you not, disaacks3 is likely to not call everyone TB lovers. You point out that Manziel is tossing it up for grabs, when he clearly is, and compare it to Bridgewater and disaacks3 has to defend his boy. Haters gonna hate, as he would say. What was it that icak called it? The Manziel Defense League?

Anyone who can't see the difference between these two throws is seriously biased. He is right in saying that every QB throws it up for grabs at some point. Some do more than others.
Hmm. "My boy"? Try again. Manziel is a likely boom-or-bust player in the NFL. Bortles is an unpolished project. Bridgewater is the most Pro-ready, but it's hard to tell where his ceiling lies.

It's not about bringing in Manziel as you say, it's about calling one off-schedule successful play a great throw and another one blind luck. Neither pass shown had the HC jumping for joy when it was let go. All three top QB candidates have had some "unconventional, yet successful" plays. Those plays will be much tougher sells in the NFL.

Anyone who can't tell that both plays had healthy doses of luck involved is seriously biased. I've seen the Cincinatti play to Copeland picked apart by dozens of sites, the word "prayer" comes up about 40% of the time.
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You're looking at those NFL Grades and you're thinking... oh... 5.6 is pretty close to a 6.4. But. It isn't.

A 7.0+ grade is a top-5 pick. Not many of those get handed out. In the 6.9-6.4 range, you've got guys going in the top 10. A 6.4-5.9 grade is a solid first round pick.
A 5.9-5.6 is a second round pick..... solid back-up, possible starter

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From 5.6-5.5 is a mid-third round to a second round pick. And then it's a log jam. 5.3 and 5.4 guys are probably 4th-5th round. 5.3-5.1 are 6-7th round guys.

Roughly speaking.

So that NFL 5.6 grade is closer to a 5.3 than to a 6.4 grade in a lot of ways.
So for the group of QBs we're looking at, those grades say mid 1st to mid 2nd.... at least that's how I look at it. & they're close, as there isn't much separating them.

Bridgewater: uncanny pocket awareness & accuracy

Bortles: elite size

Manziel: Play makah

McCarron:

Pros:Elite size, good accuracy, good decision making, high to middle football IQ, decent mobility, major conference, major program, played under bright lights & delivered more times than not.

Cons: Played with too much talent on his team on both sides of the ball (Manziel was only surrounded by elite talent on the offensive side of the ball, Bridgewater had no talent on offense, but played with the #1 defense in NCAAF)
Again, my grades don't shake out like theirs, but the grouping is closer to what I've got.
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