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Old 01-30-2014   #121
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He gets a lot of credit for being a winner. When "inferior" QB's were doing the same thing before he got there then I begin to discount that hype.
Except he's not getting any credit. There is 0 hype surrounding him. I think the pendulum has swung too far the other way.
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I really wonder if McCarron is this years "Aaron Rogers" .... Not that he will be as good , but he falls in the draft , sits for a year or two then comes in and plays well.

He does nothing great .... but everything pretty well. The ceiling isn't all that high and that's probably why he's getting no run .... but the floor isn't all that low either.

He could have a career like Alex Smith who doesn't wow you with numbers .... He just doesn't make many mistakes and gets the ball into the hands of the playmakers on his team.


If you could get him at the top of the 4th round , I think he's an absolute steal.
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I really wonder if McCarron is this years "Aaron Rogers" .... Not that he will be as good , but he falls in the draft , sits for a year or two then comes in and plays well.

He does nothing great .... but everything pretty well. The ceiling isn't all that high and that's probably why he's getting no run .... but the floor isn't all that low either.

He could have a career like Alex Smith who doesn't wow you with numbers .... He just doesn't make many mistakes and gets the ball into the hands of the playmakers on his team.


If you could get him at the top of the 4th round , I think he's an absolute steal.
McCarron has neither Rodgers's arm strength nor Smith's athleticism; it's not that he does nothing great and everything pretty well, it's that he does some things pretty well and is outright deficient at others.

Anyone who drafts him before the 5th round is wasting a pick, but that's JMO.
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Less athletic Andy Dalton, who was also a "winner" in college.
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McCarron has neither Rodgers's arm strength nor Smith's athleticism; it's not that he does nothing great and everything pretty well, it's that he does some things pretty well and is outright deficient at others.

Anyone who drafts him before the 5th round is wasting a pick, but that's JMO.
I did not in any way compare Rogers talents with those of McCarron .... Reading Comprehension Fail.


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Less athletic Andy Dalton, who was also a "winner" in college.
Dalton may be a fair comparison ...
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Less athletic Andy Dalton, who was also a "winner" in college.
Yep and you can put TB in this category also.

Great college players with limitations that will hamper them in the NFL. Unless they overcome these deficiencies with hard work which both are capable of doing.
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Except he's not getting any credit. There is 0 hype surrounding him. I think the pendulum has swung too far the other way.
Winning the Maxwell over Winston and Manziel is undeserved credit/hype to me. He didn't have the stats or the impact of those guys. He won it as a career award because of how good his team has been the last 3 years.
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Well I'm just going to have to disagree with all of you. I think the kid can play at a high level & don't see the limitations you mention. Sure he's not as athletic as Kaepernick, but that is not a requirement for success in the NFL.

He's got everything I'm looking for in a QB & I wouldn't hesitate to take him at 1-1 if I thought I needed to. But since he is so underrated I'll target him later in the draft.

We'll just have to wait & see.

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If we passed on QB until 4.01 I would have no issue with giving him a shot.

He's a game manager. He doesn't do many dumb things which in today's NFL is almost as important as doing good things.

So many QBs today can give you that 1 wow play, then the next second leave you scratching your head.

I think AJ doesn't give you either, which on the right team can be very useful.

I can definitely see him "succeeding" in the NFL w/ a team like the Cardinals. Top 5 defense, athletic WRs that can make him better, and a decent to strong run game.

I can also 100% see him failing if he's forced into a situation where he has to go and win the game because his team is devoid of talent (Jags, Raiders).
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I did not in any way compare Rogers talents with those of McCarron .... Reading Comprehension Fail.
My bad, though I would still say that the thing about McCarron is that he might have much growing to do on the bench. =/ The take a lot of scouts have is that he might have already peaked athletically in college, and a lack of arm strength and the fact that all he was asked to do at 'Bama was hand the ball off to Trent Richardson, Eddie Lacy, et al, and make 'safe' throws.

If McCarron turns in the next Tom Brady, all the more power to him, because he's shown almost none of it in college.
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My bad, though I would still say that the thing about McCarron is that he might have much growing to do on the bench. =/ The take a lot of scouts have is that he might have already peaked athletically in college, and a lack of arm strength and the fact that all he was asked to do at 'Bama was hand the ball off to Trent Richardson, Eddie Lacy, et al, and make 'safe' throws.

If McCarron turns in the next Tom Brady, all the more power to him, because he's shown almost none of it in college.
Serious question, did Brady?
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So a knock on McCarron is that he didn't have to carry his team, or basically he's playing on a very talented team. I don't argue the point, I know Alabama is a talented team, has been for a while.

I don't "watch" college football. I read a lot of the draft stuff, the Heisman stuff, watch highlights. I'll catch a game here or there, usually watch 4 or 5 bowl games plus the championship game.

My question, for you who do watch NCAAF, & you draftniks (love you guys), how does McCarron compare to Alabama's other QBs, specifically McElroy & JPWilson?
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So a knock on McCarron is that he didn't have to carry his team, or basically he's playing on a very talented team. I don't argue the point, I know Alabama is a talented team, has been for a while.

I don't "watch" college football. I read a lot of the draft stuff, the Heisman stuff, watch highlights. I'll catch a game here or there, usually watch 4 or 5 bowl games plus the championship game.

My question, for you who do watch NCAAF, & you draftniks (love you guys), how does McCarron compare to Alabama's other QBs, specifically McElroy & JPWilson?
Not much difference IMHO .

He's bigger than the other two but he's just another guy . McElroy was really smart and Wilson seemed to always be looking over his shoulder .
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So a knock on McCarron is that he didn't have to carry his team, or basically he's playing on a very talented team. I don't argue the point, I know Alabama is a talented team, has been for a while.

I don't "watch" college football. I read a lot of the draft stuff, the Heisman stuff, watch highlights. I'll catch a game here or there, usually watch 4 or 5 bowl games plus the championship game.

My question, for you who do watch NCAAF, & you draftniks (love you guys), how does McCarron compare to Alabama's other QBs, specifically McElroy & JPWilson?
I am not a huge fan of McCarron, but he is easily a better prospect than either McElroy or Wilson. All I ever remember about JP Wilson is the terrible choke job against Utah in their bowl game.

Wilson or McElroy never lasted long in the NFL, but I think McCarron can be a nice backup somewhere for many years.
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He's got everything I'm looking for in a QB & I wouldn't hesitate to take him at 1-1 if I thought I needed to.
Imagine the meltdown at the draft party if that happened?
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So a knock on McCarron is that he didn't have to carry his team, or basically he's playing on a very talented team. I don't argue the point, I know Alabama is a talented team, has been for a while.

I don't "watch" college football. I read a lot of the draft stuff, the Heisman stuff, watch highlights. I'll catch a game here or there, usually watch 4 or 5 bowl games plus the championship game.

My question, for you who do watch NCAAF, & you draftniks (love you guys), how does McCarron compare to Alabama's other QBs, specifically McElroy & JPWilson?
McCarron is the most physically talented QB Saban has had at Alabama.
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