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Old 08-19-2013   #41
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Sorry, swinging a helmet at a guy who isn't wearing one presents a much bigger risk, and isn't within the realm of the game. I will be watching for the fine.
while a blow to the head may cause a bloody head, maybe a concusion. The swinging of Smiths head by retard is a good way to cause a neck/spine injury. Pretty sure thats worse than some stitches. Not to mention smith did not hit retard, yet reard was throwing smiths neck back and forth side to side.
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The preseason suspension makes no sense... Players don't get paid for preseason games, so there would have to be an additional fine along with the suspension since no game checks would be lost. I predict he'll be suspended for 2 regular season games.
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The NFL is expected to suspend Houston Texans defensive end Antonio Smith for up to two preseason games for using his helmet as a weapon against Miami Dolphins guard Richie Incognito, a source told ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter.

The suspension is expected to be announced Tuesday, according to the source.

The incident occurred during the second quarter of Saturday's preseason game when Incognito was attempting to block Smith.

Fox Sports 1 captured a video of the play, during which Incognito appeared to grab Smith's facemask. Smith retaliated by ripping Incognito's helmet off and swinging it at the veteran lineman.

It was not the first time that Smith and Incognito have been involved in a physical altercation during a game. Smith was fined $21,000 last season for kicking Incognito, a penalty that was reduced to $11,000 after Smith appealed, saying he was retaliating to Incognito's stepping on his right ankle.
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The crew at Fox Sports 1’s new “Fox Football Daily” show had some harsh words during their debut show Monday afternoon for Texans defensive lineman Antonio Smith’s helmet swing at Miami Dolphins guard Richie Incognito. Some, in fact, said it was worse than highly publicized stomping incidents involving Ndamukong Suh and Albert Haynesworth.

Mike Pereira, former vice president of NFL officiating, believes Smith could be suspended two regular-season games for pulling off Incognito’s helmet and proceeding to swing it at the player.

Pereira, FOX Sports’ rules analyst, said Smith’s previous on-the-field incidents will likely factor into the NFL’s decision and the league is reportedly reviewing his actions Saturday.

“I expect a severe penalty,” said host Jay Glazer. “You look back at guys who were suspended in the past, this is worse than the Suh, maybe even the Hayensworth (incidents), because he rares way back and the intent, if he had hit (Incognito) in the right spot, he could have killed the guy.”

Recently retired NFL cornerback Ronde Barber also chimed in.

“That’s beyond player safety,” he said. “That’s beyond player safety. He could have killed him if he hit him in the head, in the temple. … The intent of the action, if you’re in the heat of the moment, the Suh one, the Hayensworth, you’re mad, but with a helmet in our hand?”

Smith declined to discuss the incident Saturday after the Texans’ preseason victory against the Dolphins at Reliant Stadium. The NFL has yet to announce a penalty and Smith initially was expected to just be fined for the move. But he has past history with Incognito and was fined $21,000 — reduced to $11,000 after an appeal – for kicking Incognito last season while both were on the ground after a play.

The Texans are already dealing with injuries to star players Arian Foster and Ed Reed, both of whom are on the PUP list and may not be available for a Sept. 9 regular season-opener at San Diego.
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Old 08-19-2013   #44
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If the roles were reversed, you know damn well most of you guys would be pissing and moaning about how Smith should be suspended because of such malicious acts.
Nope. I'd be singing the same tune. You might want to go back and watch it again to see who started the flagrant offenses here, I think you must've missed it.

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Well then, anyone who swings a helmet while someone else's head is still in it should be flagged, fined, and suspended then. And that's what Incognito did.

It amazes me how some of you are ignoring the more egregious offense here.
Hey, a broken neck is still a "normal" football injury!

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Sorry, swinging a helmet at a guy who isn't wearing one presents a much bigger risk, and isn't within the realm of the game. I will be watching for the fine.
WTF does "within the realm of the game" encompass?

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Well hell, I guess Antonio's head only "appeared" to be nearly wrenched off.
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In that case it is kind of comical... Maybe they'll buy him a ticket to Cabo, too to spend his 2 week vacation in style.
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Nope. I'd be singing the same tune. You might want to go back and watch it again to see who started the flagrant offenses here, I think you must've missed it.

Hey, a broken neck is still a "normal" football injury!

WTF does "within the realm of the game" encompass?

Gotta love the Fox interpretation: Well hell, I guess Antonio's head only "appeared" to be nearly wrenched off.
Notice they introduced a video with much less visible quality and from an angle that makes Smith look worse and doesn't show Incognitos actions in full capacity as we see so clearly in the original video. Glazer and Fox trying to blow this story up.
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Nope. I'd be singing the same tune.
No doubt you would. Let's see how the league interprets the situation. Hopefully we will find out tomorrow.
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I don't have a problem with the Antonio suspension. I wouldn't have had a problem if it were two regular season games.

I also don't have a problem with what Antonio did.

I do have a problem if Incognito is not suspended at least equal to but should be greater to Antonios.

I do have a problem if that referee isn't reprimanded as well. If they want to protect the players, they've got to call this flagrant crap when they see it.... or even after the fact if it's not called.
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Notice they introduced a video with much less visible quality and from an angle that makes Smith look worse and doesn't show Incognitos actions in full capacity as we see so clearly in the original video. Glazer and Fox trying to blow this story up.
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That some of you are falling for this surprises me.

Now, having said that, the proverbial horse is out of the barn now and Ninja DID violate the rule by swinging at RI, so I expect at least a fine.
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FK incognito. the only thing antonio did wrong was miss ending the azzhole's career. antonio should get a ribbon for his restraint. if the league is going to condone that kind of crap, antonio should be allowed to defend himself by any means available to him.
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Sorry, swinging a helmet at a guy who isn't wearing one presents a much bigger risk, and isn't within the realm of the game. I will be watching for the fine.
One involves neck injury and potential paralysis and one involves a bloody nose or a gash in the head, a la Cushing. What Incognito did is MUCH more dangerous - and it's not even close. Don't know WTF you're thinking.
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Sorry, swinging a helmet at a guy who isn't wearing one presents a much bigger risk, and isn't within the realm of the game. I will be watching for the fine.
He visibly let up on the swing and pulled back. Is having your neck broken within the realm of the game.
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One involves neck injury and potential paralysis and one involves a bloody nose or a gash in the head, a la Cushing. What Incognito did is MUCH more dangerous - and it's not even close. Don't know WTF you're thinking.
Being hit in the head with a blunt object is MUCH more dangerous with a high risk of brain damage or even death than a measly illegal use of hands. A hand under your chin? Seriously? You think a hand under your chin is going to cause you paralysis? Even grabbing the facemask is uncomfortable at worst. I can see if a RB is at full gallop and grabbed by a stationary defender where it might lead to neck soreness or possible injury. Getting smashed in the head with a helmet is assault.

Yall need to take off your homer glasses, as dirty as Incognito is, that was unwarranted and extremely dangerous on the part of Antonio.
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Being hit in the head with a blunt object is MUCH more dangerous with a high risk of brain damage or even death than a measly illegal use of hands. A hand under your chin? Seriously? You think a hand under your chin is going to cause you paralysis? Even grabbing the facemask is uncomfortable at worst. I can see if a RB is at full gallop and grabbed by a stationary defender where it might lead to neck soreness or possible injury. Getting smashed in the head with a helmet is assault.
Did you even watch the video? Are you blind? Serious question, because if you're blind, I want you to disregard my complete contempt for your lack of ability to even see what is happening in front of your eyes. Incognito didn't just put a hand under Smith's chin in a measly illegal usage fashion. It's asinine that you'd even equate it to that. He didn't just grab the facemask in an uncomfortable manner. He grabbed hold of Smith's facemask and proceeded to wrench the hell out of his neck. Then, when any normal person would realize he had hold of a facemask, Incognito wrenched his head some more. I swear. Uncomfortable? Have you ever had your head wrenched around? Some of you people are f....

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One involves neck injury and potential paralysis and one involves a bloody nose or a gash in the head, a la Cushing. What Incognito did is MUCH more dangerous - and it's not even close. Don't know WTF you're thinking.
Nope. Hitting someone in the head with something as hard as an accelerating helmet could be deadly if it landed in the right spot. Although Antonio wasn't aiming at his head necessarily, they can't allow slinging helmets.

It's tough to envision any way that the league can let this slide by. But, we'll know soon enough.
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Nope. Hitting someone in the head with something as hard as an accelerating helmet could be deadly if it landed in the right spot.
And wrenching someone's head around like Incognito did can be deadly without even aiming. Hell, just the other day a kid was killed with a broken neck on the football field. Messing with the neck is serious.

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Well sure. I got no beef with that. They should just disallow slinging helmets while the opposing player's head is in it AS WELL.

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Never advocated letting it slide. I just want Incognito punished equally or more harshly, or I wanted Smith to make the suspension worthwhile.
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Meh, if Incognito gets punched or hit in the face, it's on him! He has a terrible reputation around the league. I'm sure they're are many D-Lineman that applaud Antonio (this year and last) for acting out, similar to WR's applauding AJ for whipping Innegan.
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I wish he would of connected with the helmet and knocked that fat piece of **** right on his fat ass.

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@RapSheet: Source: @NFL is looking at Antonio Smith's video as "being beyond a football action." Suspension of 1 or more games is the expectation.
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