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Arian Foster's Week 1 availability in doubt?

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John McClain of the Houston Chronicle expressed concern about Arian Foster's (back, calf) Week 1 availability on Twitter Sunday.
"If I'm (coach Gary) Kubiak and Arian Foster has a back injury that's requiring injections and feeling pain in legs, I'm worried about him for opener," wrote McClain. At a Sunday presser, Kubiak revealed Foster's back pain "has gone into his legs," and doctors advised injections to alleviate it. "They tell me these injections take time," said Kubiak. "We're taking our time. ... The running back picture is concerning." Foster has missed every timeline to return to practice the Texans' coaches and medical staff have set in front of him. After three years of overuse, it's fair to wonder if Foster's body is beginning to break down.
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If I'm Kubiak and Arian Foster has a back injury that's requiring injections and feeling pain in legs, I'm worried about him for opener.
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With the info coming from Kubiak and company I never know what to think.
 
I think its time to get concerned. I'm not worried about him playing during the preseason. I do think his timeline to return to pratice should be sometime next week though so play Week 1. He can practice 1 week and still play, but I think the team should shoot for next week.
 
Heath Shuler said:
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With the info coming from Kubiak and company I never know what to think.
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I've been saying all along that I've been suspect of the claims of simple back muscle spasms. Research has not shown that local injections are effective in controlling acute or chronic low back pain that does not spread down the leg. Therefore, I would have to take it that it was not the injections that caused the pain in the legs. And, furthermore, if both legs are involved, you would have to deduct that it is something that affects spinal nerve roots coming out of both sides of the intervertebral spaces. This would have to be caused by a disc-related problem....and his injections were probably not into the muscles, but epidural in target.

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If this is, indeed, a disc, the safe return to play may not be anytime soon. A recent 2011 study reconfirmed the short-term outcome of conservative treatment in athletes with symptomatic lumbar disc herniation in terms of the ability of the athletes to return to play and factors influencing their return to play after conservative treatment. Of 100 athletes with symptomatic lumbar disc herniation, 79.0% returned to play at an average of 4.8 months (range 1–12 months) after the start of treatment and were able to sustain the activities for at least 6 months. The severity of the symptoms prior to the start of treatment was the only factor influencing the ability of the athletes to return to play. Keep in mind that if injections fail, surgery is the next option.
 
Wow, MS continues to be an unproven player late in the season, Andre getting to the last few yrs of superstar performance and now Foster's body starting to breakdown. I'm seeing our window of relevance getting smaller and smaller.....:voodoo:
 
Hmmm. I thought I heard it right. From the Kubiak press conference.
(on RB Arian Foster) “Not tomorrow. I’m going to have to make a decision what I’m doing on Tuesday. As of right now, we’ve met with the doctors that have been treating Arian’s back yesterday, right before the game or a couple of hours before the game. It was determined that they want to give it a few more days or whatever that period of time is before they put him back out there. He’s still experiencing some soreness so the decision was made yesterday that he would not return tomorrow.”
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#Texans coach Gary Kubiak's quotes on Arian Foster's lingering back injury #NFL



#Texans coach Gary Kubiak's quotes on Arian Foster's lingering back injury #NFL

Kubiak on when Foster will return: “Not tomorrow. I’m going to have to make a decision what I’m doing on Tuesday. As of right now, we’ve met with the doctors that have been treating Arian’s back yesterday, right before the game or a couple of hours before the game. It was determined that they want to give it a few more days or whatever that period of time is before they put him back out there. He’s still experiencing some soreness so the decision was made yesterday that he would not return tomorrow.”

What is wrong with Foster’s back: “Yeah, he just has some lower back soreness that is bothering him in his legs a little bit. He’s had some injections to try and alleviate some of the soreness and stuff. The way I understand it right now, we’re trying to get through the injection process, that it’s causing some discomfort and it’s something that’s going to take some time for him to get through.”

How concerned he is about Foster being available for San Diego: “I’m not there yet because I see him work. I see what he’s going through. I am concerned about repetitions and that’s just me as a coach. It doesn’t mean I’m right. I just think guys need to get the practice reps, need to get the reps ready to play. We’ve got to do what we’ve got to do. We’ve got to do the smart thing here. We’ve got one back with NFL experience really on our team other than (RB) Deji (Karim) getting a little time last year in Indy. When you look at that big picture right there, boy, the running back picture is concerning to you. Just getting him back healthy and just getting him back to where we feel like we’re at full-strength. We’ll listen, we’ll listen to his doctors, we’ll listen to Kap (Head Athletic Trainer Geoff Kaplan) and, when he’s ready to go, I know Arian can make up a lot of time very quickly. I think tomorrow will be our 27th football practice as a team, so there’s a lot of work ahead.”

Nature of Foster's soreness: “No, it’s my understanding that’s mostly from the injection. He had the injections I think the Thursday or Friday before the first preseason game and they say that these things take some time to work themselves out.”

Concerned about Foster: “No, they’ve done numerous MRIs and everything looks fine. They’re just trying to make sure that he’s comfortable with how he is feeling and where we’re at before we say ‘go.’ You know, the thing about nowadays it’s always a question of when you yank him off the PUP ... "
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Not concerned, Foster will play week 1. I suspect he wont start practicing until after the last pre season game though.
 
Concerned. Foster won't play week 1. I think we will see a lot of Tate, but I think Cierre Wood is the better back.
 
Simple Xylocaine injections into muscles (not discs) are guided by trigger points. With proper placement, there is almost immediate relief of the spasm. Some very mild tenderness (soreness) at the injection site(s) are very typical, but would not be mistaken for continued muscle spasms. I've injected baseball players, basketball players, football players and weight lifters......for classic isolated muscle spasms.......and the aforementioned are the rule. This chronicle of facts and events described by Kubiak remains suspect.
 
I have been going to back specialists for 15 years, and I have found that the primary agitator of my lower back pain is improperly managed leg workouts. When I screw up my form doing squats or I over train, the subsequent soreness/stiffness radiates from L5 and L4. Fortunately, it does not result in sciatica, as the muscle spasms tend to travel up rather than down (For the record, working out is not the root cause of my back problems).

My point is that the speculation that Foster is "overused" seems off the mark. He did not have back problems at the end of last season, and he has not played in seven months. What preceded Foster's injury was, as Foster affirmed, the most intense offseason training he has ever subjected himself to. It is clear to me that he loaded up the squat rack, and ran a whole lot, and pushed his limits without allowing enough time to recover.

In other words, this is not an issue of mileage on his body, it is an issue of improper recovery from a possible disc or nerve injury during his offseason training.
 
Maybe he's finding his MOVIE career more appealing than risking permanent damage to his body. LOVE Arian and wish him well in anything he chooses to do. He's a very smart guy and knows the career of a star RB is very short.

Something about this story just doesn't seem right, to me anyway. He hasn't been practicing so WHY is his back suddenly so bad he has to receive injections, on AUGUST 8th? Why not sooner? Just wondering. Hope our newbie RBs have what it takes, cause I don't see a lot of playing time for our star!
 
Ray Graham is our best rb outside of Foster, but why he isn't getting more chances is starting to piss me off.
 
I took a lot of abuse last year when I said the Texans made a mistake in giving Foster a long term contract. Instead I said they should have tendered him at $2 million. Texans gave up some good players to sign Foster long term. They would still be better off if they tendered him in 12' and franchised him in 13'. Sorry, it's business.
 
Brisco_County said:
I have been going to back specialists for 15 years, and I have found that the primary agitator of my lower back pain is improperly managed leg workouts. When I screw up my form doing squats or I over train, the subsequent soreness/stiffness radiates from L5 and L4. Fortunately, it does not result in sciatica, as the muscle spasms tend to travel up rather than down (For the record, working out is not the root cause of my back problems).

My point is that the speculation that Foster is "overused" seems off the mark. He did not have back problems at the end of last season, and he has not played in seven months. What preceded Foster's injury was, as Foster affirmed, the most intense offseason training he has ever subjected himself to. It is clear to me that he loaded up the squat rack, and ran a whole lot, and pushed his limits without allowing enough time to recover.

In other words, this is not an issue of mileage on his body, it is an issue of improper recovery from a possible disc or nerve injury during his offseason training.
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Foster was running well in the first week of OTAs. He then was carted off the field after he tore his calf (described as a "severe calf strain") on May 28 and ended up on crutches. Before that, he had no problems with his back. He was then rehabbing for 2 months, which included running. His calf rehab was still not successful. It wasn't until after that his back started giving him problems. It is not uncommon for Grade II or III calf tears to require 2 - 3 months or more, because of ease of re-injury even during rehab. If he was having so much trouble coming back from the tear, you can bet that his core was compensating, especially with attempts to run. When your core is twisted, back muscles and vertebral bones maintain asymmetric positions with compression of the discs and of the spinal nerve roots that pass between the vertebrae and discs. This would easily explain his back problem now.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Foster was running well in the first week of OTAs. He then was carted off the field after he tore his calf (described as a "severe calf strain") on May 28 and ended up on crutches. Before that, he had no problems with his back. He was then rehabbing for 2 months, which included running. His calf rehab was still not successful. It wasn't until after that his back started giving him problems. It is not uncommon for Grade II or III calf tears to require 2 - 3 months or more, because of ease of re-injury even during rehab. If he was having so much trouble coming back from the tear, you can bet that his core was compensating, especially with attempts to run. When your core is twisted, back muscles and vertebral bones maintain asymmetric positions with compression of the discs and of the spinal nerve roots that pass between the vertebrae and discs. This would easily explain his back problem now.
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Purely assuming this is the case, what would that mean for Foster this season in the short term (first 4 weeks of regular season) and long-term (full season)?
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Foster was running well in the first week of OTAs. He then was carted off the field after he tore his calf (described as a "severe calf strain") on May 28 and ended up on crutches. Before that, he had no problems with his back. He was then rehabbing for 2 months, which included running. His calf rehab was still not successful. It wasn't until after that his back started giving him problems. It is not uncommon for Grade II or III calf tears to require 2 - 3 months or more, because of ease of re-injury even during rehab. If he was having so much trouble coming back from the tear, you can bet that his core was compensating, especially with attempts to run. When your core is twisted, back muscles and vertebral bones maintain asymmetric positions with compression of the discs and of the spinal nerve roots that pass between the vertebrae and discs. This would easily explain his back problem now.
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So what your saying is he needs to start sleeping like a bat.
 
TexansSeminole said:
Purely assuming this is the case, what would that mean for Foster this season in the short term (first 4 weeks of regular season) and long-term (full season)?
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The best I can do is refer you to post #3 of this thread where I quote a recent study of "return to play" for lumbar discs treated conservatively. Now that admittedly he is fighting this and a calf rehab (since he was never proven to have completed that, with still a high risk existing for restrain of the same or other calf), it is very unpredictable when he will return. If his conservative treatment of his back is not successful, and he requires surgery (even minimally invasive surgery) it is doubtful that he can return before the end of the season if then. There are so many potential twists to this.....and the Texans are not willing to really clarify them, as exhibited by the information we have gotten about them all along. They have continually told us not to worry.......he'll be back in just a few days.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Foster was running well in the first week of OTAs. He then was carted off the field after he tore his calf (described as a "severe calf strain") on May 28 and ended up on crutches. Before that, he had no problems with his back. He was then rehabbing for 2 months, which included running. His calf rehab was still not successful. It wasn't until after that his back started giving him problems. It is not uncommon for Grade II or III calf tears to require 2 - 3 months or more, because of ease of re-injury even during rehab. If he was having so much trouble coming back from the tear, you can bet that his core was compensating, especially with attempts to run. When your core is twisted, back muscles and vertebral bones maintain asymmetric positions with compression of the discs and of the spinal nerve roots that pass between the vertebrae and discs. This would easily explain his back problem now.
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This makes sense. The twisted, asymmetrical vertebral positioning you describe is pretty much the permanent condition of my spine. Its ability to absorb shock is minimized, and it tends to stay compressed if I don't manage it with stretching, chiro therapy, and massage. I refuse to allow it to restrict me from sports or weight training, but when I really tweak a nerve or have a bad spasm, I'm done. Think Tracy McGrady.
 
My guess is the RB w the best blocking and pass catching ability out of the backfield gets the nod as the 3rd back. Our run blocking is suspect and with Hopkins and our TEs looking good I have a feeling Schaub is going to have 600+ passing attemps this year.
 
Tailgate said:
My guess is the RB w the best blocking and pass catching ability out of the backfield gets the nod as the 3rd back. Our run blocking is suspect and with Hopkins and our TEs looking good I have a feeling Schaub is going to have 600+ passing attemps this year.
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After Tate almost getting Schaub killed and his total no-show so far in the pre-season, he's kinda scaring me as our #2.
 
I really like Cierre Wood best out of the rookie backs. I don't think he would make it to the practice squad.
 
bckey said:
I really like Cierre Wood best out of the rookie backs. I don't think he would make it to the practice squad.
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I do, too.

But judging by when guys are getting to play, it looks like Dennis Johnson is ahead of him on the depth chart. I'd love to see Cierre get some time with the 1s.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
I do, too.

But judging by when guys are getting to play, it looks like Dennis Johnson is ahead of him on the depth chart. I'd love to see Cierre get some time with the 1s.
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Same here, hopefully Cierre moved above Dennis Johnson after Johnson's two fumbles against MIA. Really hope we hold onto Wood. lol
 
TheIronDuke said:
Same here, hopefully Cierre moved above Dennis Johnson after Johnson's two fumbles against MIA. Really hope we hold onto Wood. lol
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I truly wish for the same, Cierre Wood is my guy at this point although I wouldn't be disappointed with Karim. Kubes said something to the effect of he loves Dennis Johnson because of his special teams and returning ability, and that he has had a good camp but it's not yet translating to the field. (news flash kubes, it won't).

He also said something to the effect of Cierre Wood had to improve in special teams.

Dennis Johnson has been abysmal, I'd rather not waste another minute on him. He just is not a good fit for this team but I fear we'll be stuck with him.
 
NastyNate said:
I truly wish for the same, Cierre Wood is my guy at this point although I wouldn't be disappointed with Karim. Kubes said something to the effect of he loves Dennis Johnson because of his special teams and returning ability, and that he has had a good camp but it's not yet translating to the field. (news flash kubes, it won't).

He also said something to the effect of Cierre Wood had to improve in special teams.

Dennis Johnson has been abysmal, I'd rather not waste another minute on him. He just is not a good fit for this team but I fear we'll be stuck with him.
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I'd keep Karim and Wood and put Johnson on the PS.

Like I said in another thread, though. What about Tate? He almost got Schaub killed and although he hasn't had many chances, he hasn't looked all that great so far. I'd be tempted to trade him... out of the AFC, of course, just in case.
 
Based on the first two preseason games, I'm thinking Karim is the likely choice at RB3. He's looked good running the ball, he's got real NFL experience, and while Wood has looked very good, I think the thing that will make the final difference is special teams.

As to whether Wood would make it to the PS, who knows. RB's are not a highly valued commodity in the league, and fans are notorious for over-valuing their own UDFA's, so while I recognize the possibility he gets picked up, I'm gonna go with him making it through waivers - should he end up not making the first version of the final 53.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
I'd keep Karim and Wood and put Johnson on the PS.

Like I said in another thread, though. What about Tate? He almost got Schaub killed and although he hasn't had many chances, he hasn't looked all that great so far. I'd be tempted to trade him... out of the AFC, of course, just in case.
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I'm with you pencil neck, groin injury or not he looks bad this season. I don't know what we save by cutting him out right, but Karim and Wood both look a lot more comfortable in the zone running scheme we lean on. I don't think he's even trade bait, but if someone wants him, hell we'll throw in a bag of chips.

I just can't get on board with a RB who never sees the field due to injury, forces plays due to impatience, and is a liability in blitz pickup. I've been over the whole Tate situation for quite some time.
 
ChampionTexan said:
Based on the first two preseason games, I'm thinking Karim is the likely choice at RB3. He's looked good running the ball, he's got real NFL experience, and while Wood has looked very good, I think the thing that will make the final difference is special teams.

As to whether Wood would make it to the PS, who knows. RB's are not a highly valued commodity in the league, and fans are notorious for over-valuing their own UDFA's, so while I recognize the possibility he gets picked up, I'm gonna go with him making it through waivers - should he end up not making the first version of the final 53.
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This.
 
Kubiak is optimistic Foster will be ready Week 1:

HOUSTON -- Houston Texans coach Gary Kubiak is optimistic about Arian Foster's progress despite the star running back's setback this week.

Asked if he could count on Foster to play in the season opener, Kubiak said he could.

"I am, because I watch him work ... with (trainer) Geoff (Kaplan)," Kubiak said Monday. "Obviously there's been a little setback as we try to get the soreness out of him. It's not like he's been standing around for the last three weeks."
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ESPN
 
Before we signed Karim, the two guys I thought to have a shot at the third RB spot were DJ and Wood.

Now, we add Karim to the mix and he has the experience edge.
But all three have been up and down.

DJ has been quite good in picking up blitz and blocking; I'm sure that doesn't go past Kubiak. One of the fumbles was unfortunate as he was on top of a defender with another trying to prop him up. The replay just doesn't have enough of a clear angle to reverse the call. It wasn't because he was reckless with the ball or he wasn't strong enough to hold on to the ball. I wouldn't put that as a negative on him.

Our run blocking still leaves a lot to be desired, I would seperate those instances when evaluating players.

IMO, Karim and DJ are neck to neck, with Wood in third.
I still need to go back and watch them really carefully, but if Karim had hit the right hole a little more often, he would be the clear winner.
But he's still not consistent enough on his read, and for a veteran, it makes you wonder of he ever will.
 
76Texan said:
Before we signed Karim, the two guys I thought to have a shot at the third RB spot were DJ and Wood.

Now, we add Karim to the mix and he has the experience edge.
But all three have been up and down.

DJ has been quite good in picking up blitz and blocking; I'm sure that doesn't go past Kubiak. One of the fumbles was unfortunate as he was on top of a defender with another trying to prop him up. The replay just doesn't have enough of a clear angle to reverse the call. It wasn't because he was reckless with the ball or he wasn't strong enough to hold on to the ball. I wouldn't put that as a negative on him.

Our run blocking still leaves a lot to be desired, I would seperate those instances when evaluating players.

IMO, Karim and DJ are neck to neck, with Wood in third.
I still need to go back and watch them really carefully, but if Karim had hit the right hole a little more often, he would be the clear winner.
But he's still not consistent enough on his read, and for a veteran, it makes you wonder of he ever will.
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Hell yeah, let's make DJ our third back, and bring home the trophy as the #1 rushing team in the NFL with that whopping 1.7 YPC!
 
We are a scheme team, we don't need a #1 running back to make this work, this has been proven time and time again with the zone blocking scheme. Some RB's can run this, some can't, find another one that can and give him 1200 yards and call it a day.
 
silvrhand said:
We are a scheme team, we don't need a #1 running back to make this work, this has been proven time and time again with the zone blocking scheme. Some RB's can run this, some can't, find another one that can and give him 1200 yards and call it a day.
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Exactly. To add to your point, only twice has the team with the league's top running attack won the Super Bowl, the 72 Dolphins and the 85 Bears. And even more so, only 2 players have won the super bowl in years that they led the league in rushing, Emmitt Smith in 92/93/95 and Terrell Davis in 98.
 
Wait, now it's no big deal that Arian Foster might not be at full speed, or that is he easily replaceable, or that having a leading rushing does not equate to winning Super Bowls? You people are tripping.
 
silvrhand said:
We are a scheme team, we don't need a #1 running back to make this work, this has been proven time and time again with the zone blocking scheme. Some RB's can run this, some can't, find another one that can and give him 1200 yards and call it a day.
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NastyNate said:
Exactly. To add to your point, only twice has the team with the league's top running attack won the Super Bowl, the 72 Dolphins and the 85 Bears. And even more so, only 2 players have won the super bowl in years that they led the league in rushing, Emmitt Smith in 92/93/95 and Terrell Davis in 98.
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While we are scheme team, it's pretty naive to think Foster is interchangeable How many years have we been utilizing the zone block scheme? Now, how many Arian Fosters have we produced?

I'm not going back to the days of Steve Slaton.

Foster is special. The man became the first player ever to rush for over 100 yards in his first three playoff games. The playoffs, where teams buckle down and gameplan to stop you from ending their seasons.

We're going to have to gunsling our way to a win somewhere on the road to a Superbowl, but make no mistake about it, our odds at winning it all are SIGNIFICANTLY better with Arian, and not just any plug-n-play zone block RB.
 
There are probably quite a few RB's that could come in and give you 1,200 yards. No doubt.

But not all of them can give you the Catching, Pass Pro, open field ability and Red Zone ability that Foster brings.

Also, while Foster has had some injury stuff, for the most part he's been a dependable back.

Sorry, but there is a reason the Texans paid Foster instead of just handing the job to Tate.

There's more aspects of playing running back than just getting over 1,000 yards.
 
Rey said:
There are probably quite a few RB's that could come in and give you 1,200 yards. No doubt.

But not all of them can give you the Catching, Pass Pro, open field ability and Red Zone ability that Foster brings.

Also, while Foster has had some injury stuff, for the most part he's been a dependable back.

Sorry, but there is a reason the Texans paid Foster instead of just handing the job to Tate.

There's more aspects of playing running back than just getting over 1,000 yards.
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exactly, not to mention he is a TD machine. He can get in the endzone and get the tough yards when needed. Not everyday you find an every down back like that.
 
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