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Old 08-15-2013   #21
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Personally, I wouldn't have a problem with guys using HGH to recover from injuries--it might even be the best thing for them. They'd just need to stop when declared healthy. I wouldn't want them using it just as a PED, and, no, I wouldn't want baseball pitchers using it all the time. JMO.
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I trust the coaches know me than me, but this seems freakish. I have a hard time thinking he will actually be able to contribute for at least a few months. Leave him on the PUP
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I personally expected him to be PUPed until 6 weeks in. If he comes back and he can pick up where he left off, that changes that WR group up.
I doubt he's going to come in where he left off. If it's going to take him 6 weeks to get his conditioning up to where it needs to be, it's going to take 6 weeks.

If that 6 weeks starts now, he'll be the guy we need him to be by week 3. If he can't start that process until week 6 of the season, we won't see the guy we need to see until week 12.

I hope they are being as cautious as they can be & this is the right decision. I'd love to see a WR corps with AJ, DeAndre, & Posey.

I also hope to see more 4 WR sets causing the Texans to keep 6.

But I also want them to keep 4 TEs, 4 RBs, 6 OLBs, & 5 CBs... so we'll see.
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I'm becoming concerned about the growing list of players being considered for the opening day roster that will be of question in terms of time for being prepared to see the field, and when they do see the field, having questionable ability to contribute even at a minimally acceptable level.........Williams, Montgomery, Reed, Posey, Smith.

I am happy to hear of Posey's and the team's "positiveness." But that must be balanced with the fact that he has yet to participate in full contact play/game play. He is a wide receiver whose performance is based on explosiveness and repeatedly having to jump high and come down hard, putting continual extremely concentrated stresses on that repaired Achilles..........conditions that can quickly compromise performance even more than expected for a player at this point from an Achilles rupture, and create scenario for setback. The Texans better take seriously the potential for not being able to fall back on PUP again, especially not really knowing what his long term performance is likely to be at any point.
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I'm becoming concerned about the growing list of players being considered for the opening day roster that will be of question in terms of time for being prepared to see the field, and when they do see the field, having questionable ability to contribute even at a minimally acceptable level.........Williams, Montgomery, Reed, Posey, Smith.

I am happy to hear of Posey's and the team's "positiveness." But that must be balanced with the fact that he has yet to participate in full contact play/game play. He is a wide receiver whose performance is based on explosiveness and repeatedly having to jump high and come down hard, putting continual extremely concentrated stresses on that repaired Achilles..........conditions that can quickly compromise performance even more than expected for a player at this point from an Achilles rupture, and create scenario for setback. The Texans better take seriously the potential for not being able to fall back on PUP again, especially not really knowing what his long term performance is likely to be at any point.
Not to be a contrarian, but don't you think his Dr's and the team Dr's are taking all of that into consideration? I'm a bit worried too - BUT if he is ready, he is ready.
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I'm becoming concerned about the growing list of players being considered for the opening day roster that will be of question in terms of time for being prepared to see the field, and when they do see the field, having questionable ability to contribute even at a minimally acceptable level.........Williams, Montgomery, Reed, Posey, Smith.

I am happy to hear of Posey's and the team's "positiveness." But that must be balanced with the fact that he has yet to participate in full contact play/game play. He is a wide receiver whose performance is based on explosiveness and repeatedly having to jump high and come down hard, putting continual extremely concentrated stresses on that repaired Achilles..........conditions that can quickly compromise performance even more than expected for a player at this point from an Achilles rupture, and create scenario for setback. The Texans better take seriously the potential for not being able to fall back on PUP again, especially not really knowing what his long term performance is likely to be at any point.
See... the problem with what you're saying is that you think you're getting good data about what the injuries actually are and what their severities actually are from press conferences and interviews. Granted, you may be entirely right about your assessments BUT... I think I think you're making a bad assumption.

I've said this since Day 1 of the Kubiak regime but I do not trust one word that comes out of their mouths. I personally believe (and have absolutely no problem with) the Texans' FO consciously lies and misleads everyone regarding the severity of injuries, the extent of injuries, and even exactly what those injuries are. I think there's a concerted effort to misreport things like this. I think there's a concerted effort to present things incorrectly and use very loose definitions and play it off with "Oh, well, yeah, but you'd have to talk to Kap about this. I really only know what they tell me."

I don't think this is limited to the Texans FO. Tom Brady has had a bad shoulder for 10 years at this point. So I don't think it's a bad thing.

But taking what the FO says and trying to decipher that into an understanding of the nature and extent of an injury is like building the Taj Mahal on the sands of a beach -- there's no foundation and it's going to collapse.

So, yeah, the doctors may be making a mistake rushing Devier back... otoh, they may not because the injury may not have been exactly what was originally reported.
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I really don't want to say yet what I think on this topic. Just that I've read everything that CnD has posted about Achilles tears since DeMeco's injury, and this timeframe really doesn't jive.
Neither did Terrell Sugg's recovery either. That was more of a throwaway joke anyway, not an actual belief that Posey is 100% surefire using banned substances to recover from an injury.

But all people are different and people respond to rehab differently all the time and all that jazz.
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I'm becoming concerned about the growing list of players being considered for the opening day roster that will be of question in terms of time for being prepared to see the field, and when they do see the field, having questionable ability to contribute even at a minimally acceptable level.........Williams, Montgomery, Reed, Posey, Smith.
I'm looking way ahead, but if/when Smith comes back, I bet he's in a LG rotation with QBerry.

As far as Reed. Of course many people will compare this situation to our Ahman Green situation. The best FA we could land at the time, "prolific" reputation, expected to contribute moreso because of experience & "reputation"

All the arguments I want to make for Reed, I feel like I (or someone) made the same arguments for Green.

He's a physical specimen, he takes care of/knows his body.

He plays through minor injuries.

He wants to win.

Is it just me, or is there a bit of Deja Vu here?

One big difference, is that there is a personal relationship to our greatest player & Ed continually says he doesn't want to let Dre down. Hopefully he'll hold up his end of the bargain, but yes.... there is reason for concern.
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See... the problem with what you're saying is that you think you're getting good data about what the injuries actually are and what their severities actually are from press conferences and interviews. Granted, you may be entirely right about your assessments BUT... I think I think you're making a bad assumption.

I've said this since Day 1 of the Kubiak regime but I do not trust one word that comes out of their mouths. I personally believe (and have absolutely no problem with) the Texans' FO consciously lies and misleads everyone regarding the severity of injuries, the extent of injuries, and even exactly what those injuries are. I think there's a concerted effort to misreport things like this. I think there's a concerted effort to present things incorrectly and use very loose definitions and play it off with "Oh, well, yeah, but you'd have to talk to Kap about this. I really only know what they tell me."

I don't think this is limited to the Texans FO. Tom Brady has had a bad shoulder for 10 years at this point. So I don't think it's a bad thing.

But taking what the FO says and trying to decipher that into an understanding of the nature and extent of an injury is like building the Taj Mahal on the sands of a beach -- there's no foundation and it's going to collapse.

So, yeah, the doctors may be making a mistake rushing Devier back... otoh, they may not because the injury may not have been exactly what was originally reported.
Exactly. Or indeed they may not be "rushing" him back at all and this could just be part of a further smokescreen where he'll end up on the PUP or IR. Why would they do that? Every little advantage helps, so if the Chargers, or any other team spends time on preparation for Posey, well it's just that much less time they have for preparing for something else.

Again. MSR.
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I'm looking way ahead, but if/when Smith comes back, I bet he's in a LG rotation with QBerry.

As far as Reed. Of course many people will compare this situation to our Ahman Green situation. The best FA we could land at the time, "prolific" reputation, expected to contribute moreso because of experience & "reputation"

All the arguments I want to make for Reed, I feel like I (or someone) made the same arguments for Green.

He's a physical specimen, he takes care of/knows his body.

He plays through minor injuries.

He wants to win.

Is it just me, or is there a bit of Deja Vu here?

One big difference, is that there is a personal relationship to our greatest player & Ed continually says he doesn't want to let Dre down. Hopefully he'll hold up his end of the bargain, but yes.... there is reason for concern.
Talk to ANY Ravens fans and they will laugh about this. Its Ed being Ed, its his "thing".
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Talk to ANY Ravens fans and they will laugh about this. Its Ed being Ed, its his "thing".
Don't know what part of what he said is funny. Ed has been flaky about his desire to play in the offseason and isn't the biggest fan of training camp, but if he's physically able to play in a game then he'll play. He hasn't missed very many games at all for as physical as he plays and has been known to play through all kinds of injuries. He can be an odd man at times, but doesn't change the fact he's a warrior.
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I'm not presently concerned about any injury situation on the team. I think ER will be back at least by game 3.
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Just for the record, someone mentioned in another thread that Posey was going to be good to go because he is already 9 months out from his surgery. This was not correct. He is only 7 months out (surgery Jan 18).
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Posey back at practice. Baby steps... But:

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Nice. This is way sooner than expected. It also raises the question: Do the Texans keep six WR's on their roster this year?
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Now official. #Texans RT @HoustonTexans: WR DeVier Posey passed his physical exam & has been removed from the PUP List. He is now on active roster.
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I've been hoping that he can contribute in the second half of the season, but if he can come back sooner, it will give us better depth.

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