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Adam Schein on Schaub....

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Meet Matt Schaub, the most significant player in the NFL this season.

Hyperbole? Hardly.

The Houston Texans are, in theory, ready to dance. Owner Bob McNair is one of the finest leaders in the NFL. The roster is rich, as general manager Rick Smith has put together a championship core with great surrounding parts.
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Simply put: The Texans have the best roster in the AFC.

Still, there's a "yeah, but" attached to Houston. Conventional wisdom says this is a top-tier Super Bowl competitor. Yeah, but can Matt Schaub beat one of the living legends, Tom Brady or Peyton Manning, in the playoffs? Can he go on the road and knock off Joe Flacco and the defending champion Baltimore Ravens in Week 3? Can he take care of division rival Andrew Luck in December?

This is usually the time of year when the word "elite" overwhelms quarterback chatter. Which quarterbacks are elite? Who's declaring himself as such?

Nobody will argue for Matt Schaub in this discussion. Schaub is a very good, winning quarterback. The question isn't whether or not Schaub is elite, it's whether or not Schaub is capable of taking Houston to the one place the Texans expect to be in February: MetLife Stadium, for Super Bowl XLVIII.

Matt Schaub's 2012 season was somewhere between solid and strong. He finished tied for 15th in touchdown passes (with 22) while ranking 11th in passing yards (4,008) and sixth in completion percentage (64.3). Schaub threw just 12 picks in 544 passes.

That's all good. But it has to be better. Just ask Matt Schaub.
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NBC cameras caught the usually stoic quarterback fist pumping with a deserved expression of satisfaction on his face.

Big deal, eh Matt?

"It was," Schaub confirmed last week. "To me, personally, after dealing with what I dealt with the year before, with my foot injury and coming back and fighting all the way back to that moment. How disappointing the last month had been. Winning the division, but falling short of the ultimate regular-season goal of getting a 1 seed. To go out there and win that game and have that play and to be put in that position to get the ball to Garrett to where we seal the deal. He made the play and took a pretty good hit for it, but it was a good moment. I guess that's what that expressed when the camera caught that, but I don't want to make too big a deal of it, because that was only one step in the climb towards a championship. But that was a big deal for me."
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The AFC is wide open. Frankly, compared to the NFC, I think it is very weak. The opportunity is there for Houston. Schaub craves a championship, knowing that the writing is on the wall with this group.

"At this point, after the last couple of years, it's a championship or nothing for us," Schaub said.

There's a positive vibe about Houston around the league. What's the vibe about Schaub?

A rival player told me this: "I like Matt. He's a good player. He got over a hump last year. I think that will help him get over the next one. And you can never underestimate his toughness."

As one general manager explained, "If DeAndre Hopkins steps up at receiver opposite Andre, that's big. Can Matt and Gary top Brady and (Bill) Belichick in the playoffs? I know Houston has a better defense and run game. Matt must be a positive in that spot. Last December was concerning."

Another GM says Schaub is not Brady or Aaron Rodgers and doesn't elevate his receivers: "He can spin the rock, but lacks the 'it' factor. Needs a great supporting cast and he has a chance. Not sure he has the receiving corps to get it done."
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A couple years ago I never would have thought I would hear the word "toughness" used about Matt. He has a lot to prove and all the pressure to go along with it.

While most point at the faltering of the defense down the stretch last season the blame still falls on the QB. He is the team leader and the face so he gets the blame because he didn't exactly play good.

This team though is loaded from top to bottom and I honestly believe that they are the most talented in the AFC and top 3 in the NFL.
 
Going into 2012, everyone said the Texans were a starting QB away from the Super Bowl. Well, they got their starter back for all 16 games in 2012. 'Nuff said.
 
DX-TEX said:
This team though is loaded from top to bottom and I honestly believe that they are the most talented in the AFC and top 3 in the NFL.
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We're kinda sorta where the Cowboys were with Wade & Parcells. Very few people would argue those weren't talented teams, but the question was around their QB. They had a defense, they had a run game, but they also had Tony Romo.

I like Romo as a player, love to watch him play. But I don't want him as a Texan, because of that choke factor. Totally different type of player than Schaub, but the end results so far has been the same.

We should have won the Super Bowl in 2011. No doubt in my mind we'd have beat New England in the AFC Championship game.

We should have won the Super Bowl in 2012, you can't tell me we aren't talented enough.

I think our window closes here in 2013. If we don't win it this year, we're not going to with the group we have here; Smith, Kubiak, & Schaub. We might win 10 games in 2014, but we won't be as close to a Super Bowl as we are today. They won't change Matt Schaub, they won't change Gary Kubiak & we might be a "good" play off team through 2016, but we'll never be closer to a Super Bowl than we are now if we don't win it in 2013.
 
thunderkyss said:
I think our window closes here in 2013. If we don't win it this year, we're not going to with the group we have here; Smith, Kubiak, & Schaub. We might win 10 games in 2014, but we won't be as close to a Super Bowl as we are today. They won't change Matt Schaub, they won't change Gary Kubiak & we might be a "good" play off team through 2016, but we'll never be closer to a Super Bowl than we are now if we don't win it in 2013.
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Can you elaborate on this? Why?
 
TexansRule1 said:
Can you elaborate on this? Why?
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I'm just being Debbie Downer.

We're extremely lucky that Aj is still playing at the level he is playing at. & Arian Foster is already past the life expectancy of the avg running back.

Antonio had a career year in 2011, then again in 2012. Chances of him doing it again is slim. Jj Watt can't play any better than he did last season (I know... I know...)

But we aren't as young as we used to be & it's going to be difficult to keep this up past three years.... this would be our third year of 10+ wins.

The Colts finally got one after years with Peyton, we could get lucky like that, but I think the odds are against it.

The Patriots haven't won one, since Tom Brady became the Patriots. Remember they used to have a run game & a defense...

But the time is now, if we don't win it this year, I don't think we will anytime soon. We might be good enough to win 10 games in 2015 & 2016, but after that... not so much.
 
thunderkyss said:
I think our window closes here in 2013. If we don't win it this year, we're not going to with the group we have here; Smith, Kubiak, & Schaub. We might win 10 games in 2014, but we won't be as close to a Super Bowl as we are today. They won't change Matt Schaub, they won't change Gary Kubiak & we might be a "good" play off team through 2016, but we'll never be closer to a Super Bowl than we are now if we don't win it in 2013.
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I agree, but I'm basing it not on age, and how players produced the past two seasons... I'm basing it on the fact that ALOT of contacts of key players are coming up and were not going to be able to retain alot of them... The core of the team is soon to fall apart.
 
since02 said:
I agree, but I'm basing it not on age, and how players produced the past two seasons... I'm basing it on the fact that ALOT of contacts of key players are coming up and were not going to be able to retain alot of them... The core of the team is soon to fall apart.
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Who do you consider the "core" of the team?

2014: Antonio Smith, Cushing
2015: OD, Manning, KJ, JJ Watt
2016: JJo, Chris Myers
2017: AJ, Schaub, Arian, Hopkins
2019: Duane Brown

This FO has done a good job stockpiling talent and has been almost draconian in letting people go before they turn into an issue: Dunta, Demeco, Winston, Brisiel. The mark of a good FO is the ability to re-load by letting costly vets go, signing the important guys, and drafting everyone's replacement. This FO has shown signs they can do that.

So I'm not worried about losing the core players at this point. We'll burn that bridge when we get there.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
Who do you consider the "core" of the team?

2014: Antonio Smith, Cushing
2015: OD, Manning, KJ, JJ Watt
2016: JJo, Chris Myers
2017: AJ, Schaub, Arian, Hopkins
2019: Duane Brown

This FO has done a good job stockpiling talent and has been almost draconian in letting people go before they turn into an issue: Dunta, Demeco, Winston, Brisiel. The mark of a good FO is the ability to re-load by letting costly vets go, signing the important guys, and drafting everyone's replacement. This FO has shown signs they can do that.

So I'm not worried about losing the core players at this point. We'll burn that bridge when we get there.
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"You must spread some reputation around before giving it to The Pencil Neck again"
 
DX-TEX said:
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A couple years ago I never would have thought I would hear the word "toughness" used about Matt. He has a lot to prove and all the pressure to go along with it.

While most point at the faltering of the defense down the stretch last season the blame still falls on the QB. He is the team leader and the face so he gets the blame because he didn't exactly play good.

This team though is loaded from top to bottom and I honestly believe that they are the most talented in the AFC and top 3 in the NFL.
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Uh, no it's actually been quite the opposite. People placing the lions share of the blame on Matt and pretty much giving the defense a pass.
 
Mr teX said:
Uh, no it's actually been quite the opposite. People placing the lions share of the blame on Matt and pretty much giving the defense a pass.
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I heard a lot about how we had no outside pass rush, how our ILBs suck after losing Cush, how we had no presence in the middle, how Demps, Keo, McCain, B Harris, and Ball suck.

I heard how our ST was terrible, and that Marciano should have been fired.

But everything is still on the QB. :)
 
Everything I can find from TC of his footwork, Dr. CND...

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Looking better Doc, no?
 
I think Schaub looks less like a statue so far this preseason.
I think the weigh loss can help him a little this year.
I hope is probably a better choice of words. :good:
 
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Looking better Doc, no?
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Check out Brooks in each one of those shots.
 
76Texan said:
I think Schaub looks less like a statue so far this preseason.
I think the weigh loss can help him a little this year.
I hope is probably a better choice of words. :good:
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I was at the game Sunday and he looks slower in real life than on TV
 
idymoe said:
Check out Brooks in each one of those shots.
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IMO he's been the best lineman during preseason. any time i focus on brooks, his man is absolutely stoned. he's even able to tag one guy and slide to help outside, effectively collecting two blocks. i'm also seeing fewer and fewer mental issues, he's firing off better and more decisively each outing.

newton on the other hand, well mama said if i cant say something nice ...
 
Leawood Hustla said:
anybody catch that fox graphic in the saints game where they showed schaub's win loss record vs playoff or winning teams?

he was like 30 something wins vs 15 losses vs non playoff elite teams then he was like an atrocious 10-27 vs elite playoff teams?

anybody have a screen cap of that stat?
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Not to be a Schaub defender but how many of those games did he lose when he faced the Manning lead Colts twice a year with a craptastic defense? We have only been good for two years now and has been the QB 7 years?

Given the two losses to the Pats and Packers last season doesn't help but he also beat the Ravens and Broncos last season.
 
Leawood Hustla said:
anybody catch that fox graphic in the saints game where they showed schaub's win loss record vs playoff or winning teams?

he was like 30 something wins vs 15 losses vs non playoff elite teams then he was like an atrocious 10-27 vs elite playoff teams?

anybody have a screen cap of that stat?
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I caught that, too.

Schaub looked good yesterday, but he usually does in the first half of the season when the pressure isn't on. We all know what happened when the games got bigger. Hopefully, it was a learning experience for ol' Schaubie.

Otherwise... Well, at least the Rockets look like a contender!
 
Leawood Hustla said:
i dont think its a bogus stat. win loss records of QBs are often talked about by nfl analysts.



so since its against manning and the fact that we had a bad defense it doesnt count? it only counts when we have a great defense?

i dont get that all.
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Um.......Brees, Rodgers, Manning, Brady, etc.... can not do it alone. You cant hold one player accountable for wins/losses when some of the pieces are damn near non existant. Did you see how bad our defense was in those early Schaub years??
 
Leawood Hustla said:
of course. you act as if brees, rogers, and manning have always had great defenses around they year in and year out. they havent. they have had bad defenses, they have had to deal with injuries.

of course you cant do it alone.

that's why matt schaub had a pro bowl left tackle, pro bowl left guard, pro bowl center, pro bowl running back, pro bowl wide receiver, and a pro bowl caliber tight end. Yet offense still struggled.

But dont let those facts keep you from defending schaub.
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Not to defend Schaub, but the Patriots had the 31st ranked defense in 2011, the Packers had the 32nd. The Patriots were in the Super Bowl that year & the Packers were bounced from the divisional round.

In 2010 we had the 30th ranked defense & Schaub led us to 6-10.
 
Leawood Hustla said:
of course. you act as if brees, rogers, and manning have always had great defenses around they year in and year out. they havent. they have had bad defenses, they have had to deal with injuries.

of course you cant do it alone.

that's why matt schaub had a pro bowl left tackle, pro bowl left guard, pro bowl center, pro bowl running back, pro bowl wide receiver, and a pro bowl caliber tight end. Yet offense still struggled.

But dont let those facts keep you from defending schaub.
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Oh please, I am one of the biggest Schaub detractors here. But it is just stupid to pin those losses on one player. If they are an elite team as posted in your original quote then one man can NOT beat them. Its a watered down statistic and anyone with any knowledge of the league knows this.

Must mean Manning sucks since he lost all those games to the Steelers and Pats.
Brady must suck because he couldn't beat Eli twice
Brees must suck because his team finished with a losing record last season.

See how it works?
 
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Looking better Doc, no?
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Thanks for the heads up. It's difficult to make out foot work on a still, or foot position, unless you see exactly where the ball was to be thrown in any one route. That takes video to put it in context. Viewing the game, it appeared that in some plays, the front foot position was correct. In some, it appeared errant. Those where he was hurried contained more of the errant. He continued to look slow when compared to pre-injury 2011. He is still throwing off of his back foot too often, and has shown no ability so far to simply quick side-step or play action to the left or show us any examples of his old jump passes. I'll continue to watch him as the season progress.........as will everyone else. As much as the Saints game was hyped as being a strong test for our offense, keep in mind that Ryan's 3-4 defense was just recently installed, and was hardly clicking. Schaub can certainly expect to be much more seriously challenged both in pass rush and pass coverage beginning the 1st quarter of the regular season. Only then will we truly begin to have an idea of how he will respond..........and, thereafter through the long season, how long he will "hold up."
 
thunderkyss said:
Not to defend Schaub, but the Patriots had the 31st ranked defense in 2011, the Packers had the 32nd. The Patriots were in the Super Bowl that year & the Packers were bounced from the divisional round.

In 2010 we had the 30th ranked defense & Schaub led us to 6-10.
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Soooo, you're saying Schaub isn't Manning or Brady? Not even the most hardcore Schaub defender would ever argue that.

I'm also pretty sure Manning and Brady's record vs playoff teams isn't as good as it is vs non-playoff teams. What does that mean? Nothing, it's just common sense.
 
For me personally, he still has to make up for throwing the ball into the dirt in the playoffs against the Pats, even though there wasn't anywhere near him.

Sure, we've heard it before, Schaub has an internal clock built in. But you won't see Superbowl QBs do that. Internal clock or not, if you have time, you wait till the last possible second to throw it to the ground.

Maybe Schaub holds on to, and one of his receivers break away from their man.

I remember feeling disgusted when I saw that.
 
TdotTexas2Step said:
For me personally, he still has to make up for throwing the ball into the dirt in the playoffs against the Pats, even though there wasn't anywhere near him.

Sure, we've heard it before, Schaub has an internal clock built in. But you won't see Superbowl QBs do that. Internal clock or not, if you have time, you wait till the last possible second to throw it to the ground.

Maybe Schaub holds on to, and one of his receivers break away from their man.

I remember feeling disgusted when I saw that.
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I'll see your throw in the dirt and raise you the rollout to the left where he escaped the rush (wonders!) then proceeded to try and force the ball to James (I can't catch playoff TDs in the end zone) Casey and got it picked off. The score was 24 - 13 Pats in the middle of the third qtr. We could have drawn to within 4 pts. The Pats turned that INT into 7 pts and never looked back.

THAT, my friend, was disgusting.

And I apologize for reviving that memory for those of you, like me, who are trying to delete all traces of that game from their brains.
 
The article says it all, Schaub is a system QB, he's part of the puzzle not the different maker. If the defense can scheme or disrupt the system, then he's not going to throw the team on his shoulders and will them to a win.

When and if he does that, he'll carry us to a superbowl and I'll sit down with a huge piece of humble pie and video tape it and post it in facebook. Now that being said, of all the QB's on the roster I think Schaub is our best chance this year, unless he just goes downhill.

Yates/Keenum either have to step up, or we trade for someone if we have another end of year debacle with Schaub again, the QB's coming out college this year don't seem like we have top end talent.
 
paycheck71 said:
Soooo, you're saying Schaub isn't Manning or Brady? Not even the most hardcore Schaub defender would ever argue that.
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Sooooo, you're saying Brady & Rogers can do it alone? See, I was responding to the comments saying they couldn't.

paycheck71 said:
I'm also pretty sure Manning and Brady's record vs playoff teams isn't as good as it is vs non-playoff teams. What does that mean? Nothing, it's just common sense.
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Worse.

Sure. But I bet they have a winning record against those teams.

The only difference between Schaub & the elite QBs is his W-L record. Fair or not.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Thanks for the heads up. It's difficult to make out foot work on a still, or foot position, unless you see exactly where the ball was to be thrown in any one route. That takes video to put it in context. Viewing the game, it appeared that in some plays, the front foot position was correct. In some, it appeared errant. Those where he was hurried contained more of the errant. He continued to look slow when compared to pre-injury 2011. He is still throwing off of his back foot too often, and has shown no ability so far to simply quick side-step or play action to the left or show us any examples of his old jump passes. I'll continue to watch him as the season progress.........as will everyone else. As much as the Saints game was hyped as being a strong test for our offense, keep in mind that Ryan's 3-4 defense was just recently installed, and was hardly clicking. Schaub can certainly expect to be much more seriously challenged both in pass rush and pass coverage beginning the 1st quarter of the regular season. Only then will we truly begin to have an idea of how he will respond..........and, thereafter through the long season, how long he will "hold up."
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Blah, blah, blah, Doc!! Can his foot hold up this season???

First off, you called the "breakdown" of Schaub last season coming off his Lins Franc injury. A lot of past players that have been subjected to that same injury which many have never recovered from.

Bottom line question, can he make it back this season??

Have you seen anything in this preseason that tells you that his foot will hold up better than last season????
 
silvrhand said:
The article says it all, Schaub is a system QB, he's part of the puzzle not the different maker. If the defense can scheme or disrupt the system, then he's not going to throw the team on his shoulders and will them to a win.

When and if he does that, he'll carry us to a superbowl and I'll sit down with a huge piece of humble pie and video tape it and post it in facebook. Now that being said, of all the QB's on the roster I think Schaub is our best chance this year, unless he just goes downhill.
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i'm a schaub homer and completely agree ... and i dont see anything wrong with that. we are a very strict, very system based team. and schaub fits that system very well. sure i'd like someone like eli or ben who can turn turds into touchdowns or brady and manning who can carry entire franchises, but schaub is good at playing kubiak's game while better quarterbacks wouldnt be. dude was on a run of 16-1 from 2011 through 2012 ... you have to be pretty good to do that regardless of what else is going on.

the rub for me is that schaub and kubiak both fall apart when pushed out of their comfort zone. i HATE our empty backfield sets and we probably have the ugliest draws/delays in football. we struggle to move the ball in ways that require us to spread out. we do however run arguably the best base offense in football with schaub. our time of possession is ridiculous and schaub is money in those areas.

the reason i and i think many here are rooting so hard for case is that he fills those deficiencies. he can run a spread offense, he can make something from nothing, and he gives a dimension that can worry defenses when we're not in our comfort zone ... all while still being able to handle our strengths in our base packages.
 
Texan_Bill said:
Blah, blah, blah, Doc!! Can his foot hold up this season???

First off, you called the "breakdown" of Schaub last season coming off his Lins Franc injury. A lot of past players that have been subjected to that same injury which many have never recovered from.

Bottom line question, can he make it back this season??

Have you seen anything in this preseason that tells you that his foot will hold up better than last season????
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Better question, is if there's something they can shoot into his foot to mask the pain for about three hours or so.
 
Scooter said:
i'm a schaub homer and completely agree ... and i dont see anything wrong with that. we are a very strict, very system based team. and schaub fits that system very well. sure i'd like someone like eli or ben who can turn turds into touchdowns or brady and manning who can carry entire franchises, but schaub is good at playing kubiak's game while better quarterbacks wouldnt be. dude was on a run of 16-1 from 2011 through 2012 ... you have to be pretty good to do that regardless of what else is going on.

the rub for me is that schaub and kubiak both fall apart when pushed out of their comfort zone. i HATE our empty backfield sets and we probably have the ugliest draws/delays in football. we struggle to move the ball in ways that require us to spread out. we do however run arguably the best base offense in football with schaub. our time of possession is ridiculous and schaub is money in those areas.

the reason i and i think many here are rooting so hard for case is that he fills those deficiencies. he can run a spread offense, he can make something from nothing, and he gives a dimension that can worry defenses when we're not in our comfort zone ... all while still being able to handle our strengths in our base packages.
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Schaub led the league in passing when we opened the offense in 2009. More or less incorporating "the Spread"

Schaub's problem, & I know some don't want to hear it, is that he is not a leader. The reason he doesn't put the team on his shoulder & will them to a victory, is that he's along for the ride, just like they are. Waiting for instruction from someone else about how they should feel, or react.

It was a small thing, but I saw Tj look at one of our receivers, tapped his chest & you could read his lips, "My fault, that was on me." You saw him run into the endzone to celebrate a meaningless TD in a meaningless game. Case did the same thing, he ran from the 50 yard line into the endzone to celebrate a meaningless TD in a meaningless game.

Schaub gives us a conservative fist pump when we get into field goal range in a play-off game......... yeah.

I know that's all subjective & doesn't mean a lot. But think about this. Keyshawn Martin started the season pretty hot. A few dropped balls & he could barely get on the field. LeStar Jean came in for a few games, caught a ball or two.... failed to catch a few... then his appearances started to dwindle. Devier comes in, makes some nice catches, some nice plays.... then his Achilles prevented us from seeing how far that could have gone.

We just finished preseason game #3 & it appears Schaub has already forgotten anyone not named Andre Johnson. Granted, if Andre is open, you're going to throw the ball to Andre
 
sorry TK but i disagree with everything there. when schaub does or doesnt celebrate or get angry is absolutely meaningless and says nothing about his leadership. guys telling their first "nfl experience" is a phone call from matt, or describing offseason workouts with schaub, or getting ticked at reporters who say something negative ... that's leadership. that's a guy who's got the support of the players around him. his calm demeanor is a great asset as far as i'm concerned, quarterback isnt a position you want mood swings.

as for the receivers. if you're talking about last year, martin looked like crap as soon as the games started - he was a training camp hero. jean couldnt get separation and misses the easy ones. and posey was starting to show up as the season went along, the lone bright spot. what that has to do with schaub is beyond me though ... our wide receivers were pretty bad. their poor play is why we were so tightend heavy last year and why we wore down at the end of the season. it's a sad state when your trips bunch formation is daniels, graham, and casey. hopkins and hopefully posey can change that.
 
Schaubs problem is that he plays tentative. Can't do that especially under pressure you just get tighter & tighter. He needs to stop guiding his passes to receivers for one it's not an athletic move, two its longer developing & telegraphs his targets & three there's not enough zip on the ball all three add up to bad news. He needs to come out throwing a natural spiral, use his lower body more & zip it into tight windows, just let it rip :specnatz:
 
The biggest problem I have with Schaub is that he lets the
"bigness" of the game get into his head and he plays tight.

In my opinion, the reason Schaub doesn't beat the elite
QB's is because he presses (mentally) and makes mistakes
leading to turnovers when he's playing them.

I saw this out of him in the NO game in 2011 and the Packer
and NE games in 2012.

I think this is entirely fixable, or it should be.. If he just
keeps his cool and plays he should be ok. It's not like his
talent level drops off when he plays these guys.

It's like he switches from wanting to win (against the typical
QB led teams) to "not wanting to lose" against the elite
QB's

Hopefully last year's playoff experience will help him overcome
this a bit..

TJ
 
When you watch him on TV ,,its like,,,he does not have that look in his eyes(The eye of the Tiger)look!!!he has the (I hope nothing bad happens look)on his face..

I have never dogged Shaub--but last 4 games last year WAS SAD.

But a new year GO TEXANS:d:
 
Leawood Hustla said:
34-15 against non-playoff teams, 10-23 against playoff teams.

Not saying that's all on him but some of it is.

Nevertheless, its a telling stat and the talk of him choking in big situations is justified.
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44-38 is a good record... Would you rather he lose to the bad teams? That doesn't seem to be an odd record to me... We win fewer games against the really good teams. Doesn't that apply to every team in th nfl?

Much of those records were compiled in 2008-10 when schaub was slinging the ball all over the place and we lost games because of bad defense and no running game.

Does schaub need to play better than he did the last two months of 2013? YES!

Does he need to be better than he was in 2012 before the injury? No!
 
TdotTexas2Step said:
For me personally, he still has to make up for throwing the ball into the dirt in the playoffs against the Pats, even though there wasn't anywhere near him.

Sure, we've heard it before, Schaub has an internal clock built in. But you won't see Superbowl QBs do that. Internal clock or not, if you have time, you wait till the last possible second to throw it to the ground.

Maybe Schaub holds on to, and one of his receivers break away from their man.

I remember feeling disgusted when I saw that.
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So the guy's whole career is broken down to 1 play in your eyes? come on man, that's just ... part of the reason the guy has been hurt alot in his career is b/c he's taken too many unneccessary hits. Part of the reason for that is b/c his o-line sucked early on...the other part is b/c he was holding on to the ball too long waiting until the last minute for guys to come free.

As far as the bolded.. Manning is still doing what he's doing at his age b/c the guy's internal clock is legendary. He simply does not hold on to the ball. In the event that he's flushed from the pocket, most times he gets rid of it pretty quick...largely b/c he's a slug like schaub too. The only difference in the 2 as of right now is Manning gets to run his own offense how he sees fit & audible to......whatever...Schaub gets to audible, but he's got to do it within Gary's conservative as approach.
 
Playoffs said:
Schaub's problem is he's not Drew Brees... or Aaron Rogers... or Tom Brady. :truck:
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Basically.....People can't seem to grasp the fact that these guys they keep comparing him are HOFer's...That's all time greats over the history of the NFL. When u look at it from that perspective, he'll never be good enough no matter what he does.

I'm of the opinion that if Gary loosened the reigns on him & the offense a little bit, let him have more control & changed it up a little more...especially on 3rd and long... we'd be a better team for it in the end. We simply can't rely on sustaining 8 minute 9+ play drives like we do. It's a good strategy against not so good teams b/c those teams likely aren't good enough offensively to come back in a short time...but against better teams, we need more explosive plays to prevent them from sitting on our "running clock" base offense.

Schaub would probably throw more picks with this approach, but he'd also probably throw more TD's too. The conservatism is killing this team more than anything imo.
 
That was one thing I noticed too.

Having worked in and around military agencies for a while
I can tell you that the demeanor of a born leader is very different
than that of others.

When Schaub gets angry, he gets motivated (Mays ear bite,
Suh nad kick, etc.) but he just doesn't seem to have that
"charge the hill with me!" drive most of the time.

TJ

thunderkyss said:
Schaub led the league in passing when we opened the offense in 2009. More or less incorporating "the Spread"

Schaub's problem, & I know some don't want to hear it, is that he is not a leader. The reason he doesn't put the team on his shoulder & will them to a victory, is that he's along for the ride, just like they are. Waiting for instruction from someone else about how they should feel, or react.

It was a small thing, but I saw Tj look at one of our receivers, tapped his chest & you could read his lips, "My fault, that was on me." You saw him run into the endzone to celebrate a meaningless TD in a meaningless game. Case did the same thing, he ran from the 50 yard line into the endzone to celebrate a meaningless TD in a meaningless game.

Schaub gives us a conservative fist pump when we get into field goal range in a play-off game......... yeah.

I know that's all subjective & doesn't mean a lot. But think about this. Keyshawn Martin started the season pretty hot. A few dropped balls & he could barely get on the field. LeStar Jean came in for a few games, caught a ball or two.... failed to catch a few... then his appearances started to dwindle. Devier comes in, makes some nice catches, some nice plays.... then his Achilles prevented us from seeing how far that could have gone.

We just finished preseason game #3 & it appears Schaub has already forgotten anyone not named Andre Johnson. Granted, if Andre is open, you're going to throw the ball to Andre
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Mr teX said:
So the guy's whole career is broken down to 1 play in your eyes? come on man, that's just ... part of the reason the guy has been hurt alot in his career is b/c he's taken too many unneccessary hits. Part of the reason for that is b/c his o-line sucked early on...the other part is b/c he was holding on to the ball too long waiting until the last minute for guys to come free.

As far as the bolded.. Manning is still doing what he's doing at his age b/c the guy's internal clock is legendary. He simply does not hold on to the ball. In the event that he's flushed from the pocket, most times he gets rid of it pretty quick...largely b/c he's a slug like schaub too. The only difference in the 2 as of right now is Manning gets to run his own offense how he sees fit & audible to......whatever...Schaub gets to audible, but he's got to do it within Gary's conservative as approach.
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I'm not summing up his career in one play, but that example does accurately reflect one of of Schaub's biggest flaws.

I can't ever recall Manning or Brady throwing the ball into the dirt in a playoff game while being safe in the pocket. You can have the best internal clock in the world, but it doesn't mean anything when you don't have the awareness to see that internal clock or not, you're still safe and you still have time.
 
TdotTexas2Step said:
I'm not summing up his career in one play, but that example does accurately reflect one of of Schaub's biggest flaws.

I can't ever recall Manning or Brady throwing the ball into the dirt in a playoff game while being safe in the pocket. You can have the best internal clock in the world, but it doesn't mean anything when you don't have the awareness to see that internal clock or not, you're still safe and you still have time.
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You must not watch alot of ball then......

It's one of the worst things you can say against an NFL quarterback. That they're scared of the defensive pass rush -- and hearing footsteps from phantom pass rushers who aren't close to them.

One day after telling media that New England Patriots QB Tom Brady is not "God," New York Giants defensive lineman Jason Pierre-Paul said he believes Brady felt pressure that wasn't there during the Giants' 24-20 victory in New England this season, according to Ian O'Connor of ESPNNewYork.com.

Asked how a consistent pass rush will affect Tom Terrific, JPP said Thursday:


I think it won't have much impact on his performance, because ... if you look at Week 9 when we played them, it's like he felt us...We went back on the film, we watched the film and we didn't really rush as we can as a defense. ... He was throwing balls on the ground and stuff.

Was Brady flinching from phantom pass rushers? Yes, said JPP:


Yeah, he was reacting to pressure that didn't exist and he was just throwing the ball places that there wasn't a receiver there. So imagine us just getting there even faster and we're actually doing out jobs and getting there and getting hits on him.
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This was just last year...They all do it..Schaub is just unfairly singled out here for it is all.
 
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