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Old 08-26-2013   #121
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Why put a TE on the PS that has upside, that would more than likely get snagged by a conference foe? If they really are looking for TE help

Bunch of TE's on the roster is all the rage these days.
I don't know whether bryne makes the roster or not, but I doubt the patriots being TE needy plays into that decision.
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My only input is Rb. I would pass on Karim and keep one of the others. I think they all have more upside than Karim.
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My only input is Rb. I would pass on Karim and keep one of the others. I think they all have more upside than Karim.
That's a tough one to call, but I agree about the upside part of DJ and Wood.
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AM I reading it right that the Ravens just released Tommy Streeter?
He and Marcus Davis just don't seem to able to take advantage of their talent.
Who knows, maybe the Texans sign one of them to their PS to see if either can be developed.
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Funny how what looked like a promising draft now looks piss poor with their three picks in rounds 3 & 4 not contributing in B.Williams , Montgomery & T.Williams.

I don't think any of them have done a thing to earn a roster spot ..... I'd almost like to see the three of them end up on IR so others could stick ,I'd have said cut but I just cant see them cutting guy's they have so much invested in.


At least their 6th rounder's are making up for the lack of production from that group. Quessenberry & Griffin look like solid players and Jones has a chance to stick.
It's probably best to have both Williams and Montgomery on IR, I agree.
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I don't see any scenario where they keep two punters on the active roster imo but anything is possible I spose. Kudos to Shapiro who has done a very fine job, but we gave Lechler the big bucks for a reason.

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QB: Schaub,Yates, Keenum
RB: Foster, Tate, Karim
FB: G. Jones
WR: Johnson, Hopkins, Martin, Jean, Posey, Lemon
TE: Daniels, Graham, Griffin
OT: Brown, Newton, R. Harris, B Williams
OG: W. Smith, Brooks, Quessenberry
C: Myers, B. Jones

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DE: Watt, A. Smith, Jamison, Crick
NT: Mitchell, McClain
OLB: B. Reed, Mercilus, Braman, W. Jefferson, Montgomery, T Williams
ILB: Cushing, Mays, Sharpton, Dobbins
CB: Joseph, Jackson, McCain, B. Harris, Bouye
S: Reed, Manning, Swearinger, Keo

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K: Bullock
P: Lechler
LS: Weeks
I think the Texans will keep nine LBs like last year, so either Williams or Montgomery might find himself on IR.

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- He needs to get stronger
- He needs to learn more pass-rush moves and how to use his hands/arms to his advantage
- He hasn't been all that healthy
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I think the Texans will keep nine LBs like last year, so either Williams or Montgomery might find himself on IR.

Most likely it will be Williams for 3 reasons:
- He needs to get stronger
- He needs to learn more pass-rush moves and how to use his hands/arms to his advantage
- He hasn't been all that healthy
Yeah , I'd stash Williams over Montgomery .... hell we could see two of the following end up on IR - T.Williams , B.Williams & Montgomery.

I just cant see room on the roster for those three when the team is talking about championships , they cant afford to play nursemaid to guy's who just wont contribute & need so much time and effort put into them.


I'd probably stash both Williams boys opening up a spot for Gardner to stick around to back up Brown & you have a spot for a Lber or CB.


Im glad they hid Lemon away for a year ....
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Offense 24
QB: Schaub,Yates, Keenum
RB: Foster, Tate, Karim
FB: G. Jones
WR: Johnson, Hopkins, Martin, Jean, Posey
TE: Daniels, Graham, Griffin
OT: Brown, Newton, R. Harris, Gardner
OG: W. Smith, Brooks, Quessenberry
C: Myers, B. Jones


Defense 26

DE: Watt, A. Smith, Jamison, Crick
NT: Mitchell, McClain
OLB: B. Reed, Mercilus, Braman, W. Jefferson, Montgomery, - Tuggle or Vet FA
ILB: Cushing, Mays, Sharpton, Dobbins
CB: Joseph, Jackson, McCain, B. Harris, Bouye - Carmichael or Vet FA.
S: Reed, Manning, Swearinger, Keo

Not so Special Teams - 3

K: Bullock
P: Lechler
LS: Weeks

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B.Williams
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Offense 24
QB: Schaub,Yates, Keenum
RB: Foster, Tate, Karim
FB: G. Jones
WR: Johnson, Hopkins, Martin, Jean, Posey
TE: Daniels, Graham, Griffin
OT: Brown, Newton, R. Harris, Gardner
OG: W. Smith, Brooks, Quessenberry
C: Myers, B. Jones


Defense 26

DE: Watt, A. Smith, Jamison, Crick
NT: Mitchell, McClain
OLB: B. Reed, Mercilus, Braman, W. Jefferson, Montgomery, - Tuggle or Vet FA
ILB: Cushing, Mays, Sharpton, Dobbins
CB: Joseph, Jackson, McCain, B. Harris, Bouye - Carmichael or Vet FA.
S: Reed, Manning, Swearinger, Keo

Not so Special Teams - 3

K: Bullock
P: Lechler
LS: Weeks

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B.Williams
T.Williams
Chris Jones? Bonner?

I can dig that 53. Although, I'm not sure I'd be willing to give Sharpton a roster spot. IMO, that ship has sailed. BUT, I suppose we might not have much of a choice considering who's left.
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I like Chris Jones over a 6th corner. He can backup two positions.
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Chris Jones? Bonner?

I can dig that 53. Although, I'm not sure I'd be willing to give Sharpton a roster spot. IMO, that ship has sailed. BUT, I suppose we might not have much of a choice considering who's left.
I cant see Bonner making the 53 , just hasn't been on the field enough , maybe he goes to IR with Lemon or something.


Jones , I could see earning a spot .... but at who's expense ?! Maybe he gets the nod over Tuggle or Carmichael both of whom are on the bubble.

Sharpton ... ugh. I thought about that position a lot and considering all the injuries they had there last season , I cant see them giving up on him just yet. Don't want to be in a situation where we're looking for street FA help .... again.

Carmichael I feel the same way about , they usually carry 6 CB's. Ive had them with 5 until now. I'd rather keep a 6th CB than a 6th WR or 4th RB. This is part of why keeping that 3rd QB makes other roster spots so valuable.

Just imagine if they keep both the Williams draft picks .... then its really going to get complicated.
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I cant see Bonner making the 53 , just hasn't been on the field enough , maybe he goes to IR with Lemon or something.


Jones , I could see earning a spot .... but at who's expense ?! Maybe he gets the nod over Tuggle or Carmichael both of whom are on the bubble.

Sharpton ... ugh. I thought about that position a lot and considering all the injuries they had there last season , I cant see them giving up on him just yet. Don't want to be in a situation where we're looking for street FA help .... again.

Carmichael I feel the same way about , they usually carry 6 CB's. Ive had them with 5 until now. I'd rather keep a 6th CB than a 6th WR or 4th RB. This is part of why keeping that 3rd QB makes other roster spots so valuable.

Just imagine if they keep both the Williams draft picks .... then its really going to get complicated.
Lot of tough decisions due to several draft picks not being ready or not performing up to snuff. Bonner, Jones, Montgomery, T. Williams and B. Williams haven't proven they're worthy of the 53. Can't stash them all and wouldn't want to let a good player go to make room.
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Lot of tough decisions due to several draft picks not being ready or not performing up to snuff. Bonner, Jones, Montgomery, T. Williams and B. Williams haven't proven they're worthy of the 53. Can't stash them all and wouldn't want to let a good player go to make room.
Has B. Williams practiced at all, would he be eligible for PUP so that he could be brought back mid season if needed? Bonner can be cut and put on the PS, doubtful anyone picks him up. Same with Jones, PS, doubtful anyone picks him up. Very disappointed in T. Williams and Montgomery, bad draft picks. Surely Lemon went to IR with a hangnail because he would have been claimed and not made it to PS. I'm glad to see that WR is becoming a position with some quality and depth. Sharpton need to go, he's undersized for the position and to often injured, I'd rather take a chance on Mike Mohamed in a backup role.
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CB: Joseph, Jackson, McCain, B. Harris, Bouye - Carmichael or Vet FA.
Personally, I think we can & should look for talent over "experience" in our DBs. With Jjo, Kjax, Reed, Manning, heck, even McCain.... we're pretty "mature" need to stock pile talent, speed especially for STs, but develop for the future.
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I re-watched more of the 3rd quarter last night. It wasn't very pretty defensively. Unfortunately, Braman should be happy the rookies haven't done much. He hasn't been very good lately. IMO, he should still be on the bubble. These two rookies are basically giving him a spot on the 53
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Remember the importance of ST in these last half dozen or so spots. They will likely keep the guy who performs better for the not so special teams, even at the expense of maybe not being as good at their position.

This was the case for Keo. He's finally developed into a decent backup at safety, but the reason he was on the roster until now was his ST duties.

Bonner I think is either PS or IR. He showed potential early on, but you can't make the club from the tub.

Chris Jones is a good developmental prospect, but I don't think he's ready. I see cut and PS for him.

The 3rd and 4th rounds. Ugh. I was most worried about Montgomery this summer because of his rep for not always giving his all, and after reading some stuff from various people that he might be more suited for a 4-3 end I'm even more perplexed on why we were so high on him.
The jury is still way, way, out on him in this defense. Nevertheless, I think he makes the roster and slowly works his way into some snaps.

T Williams is my biggest disappointment. I really thought he would be our "Willie Jefferson". The guy you throw in there on 3rd and 9 and let him go rush the QB. The kid has speed to burn, and good quickness and put up crazy good stats in college...then....nothing. I'm just not sure he makes the 53 unless he has been better on ST than I realize. I don't think they totally give up on a draft choice this soon. I see him cut, then PS. See if he can develop.

B Williams I just don't know about. I haven't seen enough of him, or even read enough about him in camp to get a feel either way - mostly due to injury in the OTA's and again in camp. It's a shot in the dark, but if they've seen enough, he might barely hang on to the 53 man roster. I'm afraid if they PS him, he'll be snagged so the other idea is to IR him and that's also a decent possibility.
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Just saw McLame's 53 man projection and its very close to what I posted above.




Only differences are as follows.

McLame keeps OT B.Williams over Gardner (I had Williams going to IR). He's done absolutely nothing to warrant a roster spot.


He keeps both Sam Montgomery & T.Williams .... I have them stashing one of them on IR. Williams has sucked and Montgomery hasn't been on the field anymore than Shane Lechler .... who punted twice and held a few FG/PAT's.
(Not knocking Lechler , just comparing time spent on the field).
Neither of them deserves a roster spot based upon what we have seen so far but I can see his point since they have mid round draft picks invested in both.

He has them keeping 5 safety's including Pleasant.


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OFFENSE (24)

Quarterbacks (3): Matt Schaub, T.J. Yates, Case Keenum.

Running backs (3): Arian Foster, Ben Tate, Deji Karim.

Fullback (1): Greg Jones.

Tight ends (3): Owen Daniels, Garrett Graham, r-Ryan Griffin.

Receivers (5): Andre Johnson, r-DeAndre Hopkins, Keshawn Martin, DeVier Posey, Lestar Jean.

Linemen (9): Duane Brown, Wade Smith, Chris Myers, Brandon Brooks, Derek Newton, Ben Jones, Ryan Harris, r-David Quessenberry, r-Brennan Williams.

DEFENSE (26)

Linemen (6): J.J. Watt, a-Antonio Smith, Earl Mitchell, Jared Crick, Terrell McClain, Tim Jamison.

Linebackers (10): Brian Cushing, Brooks Reed, Joe Mays, Whitney Mercilus, Darryl Sharpton, Tim Dobbins, Bryan Braman, r-Willie Jefferson, r-Trevardo Williams, r-Sam Montgomery.

Cornerbacks (5): Johnathan Joseph, Kareem Jackson, Brice McCain, Brandon Harris, r-A.J. Bouye.

Safeties (5): Danieal Manning, Ed Reed, Shiloh Keo, r-D.J. Swearinger, Eddie Pleasant.

SPECIALISTS (3)

Kicker (1): Randy Bullock.

Punter (1): Shane Lechler.

Snapper (1): Jon Weeks.

a-Antonio Smith won’t count against the roster until he’s reinstated from his suspension on Sept. 10.
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Just saw McLame's 53 man projection and its very close to what I posted above.




Only differences are as follows.

McLame keeps OT B.Williams over Gardner (I had Williams going to IR). He's done absolutely nothing to warrant a roster spot.


He keeps both Sam Montgomery & T.Williams .... I have them stashing one of them on IR. Williams has sucked and Montgomery hasn't been on the field anymore than Shane Lechler .... who punted twice and held a few FG/PAT's.
(Not knocking Lechler , just comparing time spent on the field). Neither of them deserves a roster spot based upon what we have seen so far but I can see his point since they have mid round draft picks invested in both.

He has them keeping 5 safety's including Pleasant.


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I think McClain has nailed it. However I do think they drop Pleasant and go down to 4 safetys when Antonio is activated for the second game.
I'm not even hearing anything about rookie OT Brennan Williams suiting up to play in Arlington tonight, but there's still much uncertainty at RT and the Texans might think there's some chance this guy could round into shape by seasons end and contribute.
Same goes with the rookie OLBs Montgomery & T. Williams, one strong vs the run and other a stellar edge rusher. Maybe they could play role as specialists by the end of the 2013 season, especially if we make the playoffs again ?
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QB: Schaub,Yates, Keenum
RB: Foster, Tate, Karim
FB: G. Jones, Clutts
WR: Johnson, Hopkins, Martin, Jean, Posey
TE: Daniels, Graham, Griffin
OT: Brown, Newton, R. Harris
OG: W. Smith, Brooks, Quessenberry
C: Myers, B. Jones


DEFENSE
DE: Watt, A. Smith, Jamison, Crick
NT: Mitchell, McClain, C. Jones
OLB: B. Reed, Mercilus, Braman, W. Jefferson, Montgomery, T Williams
ILB: Cushing, Mays, Sharpton, Dobbins
CB: Joseph, Jackson, McCain, B. Harris, Bouye
S: Reed, Manning, Swearinger, Keo


SPECIAL TEAMS
K: Bullock
P: Lechler
LS: Weeks

Not sure what'll happen with Trevardo and Mont, so I have them on my roster. I think either or both could end up IR or cut to bring in another WR, TE or DB.
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Default Re: Pick your final 53 and PS

QB: Schaub,Yates, Keenum
RB: Foster, Tate, Wood, Karim
FB: G. Jones
WR: Johnson, Hopkins, Martin, Jean, Posey
TE: Daniels, Graham, Griffin
OT: Brown, Newton, R. Harris
OG: W. Smith, Brooks, Quessenberry
C: Myers, B. Jones


DEFENSE
DE: Watt, A. Smith, Crick, Delano Johnson
NT: Mitchell, McClain, C. Jones
OLB: B. Reed, Mercilus, Braman, W. Jefferson, Montgomery
ILB: Cushing, Mays, Dobbins, Cameron Collins
CB: Joseph, Jackson, McCain, B. Harris, Bouye
S: Reed, Manning, Swearinger, Keo, Starling


SPECIAL TEAMS
K: Bullock
P: Lechler
LS: Weeks

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