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Offense (24):
QB: Schaub, Yates
FB: Jones
RB: Foster, Tate, Wood
WR: AJ, Hopkins, Martin, Posey, Bonner (Jean until Posey comes off the PUP)
TE: OD, GG, Griffin
OT: Brown, Newton, Harris, Gardner , Williams
G: Smith, Brooks, Quessenberry
C: Myers, Jones

Defense (26):
DL: Watt, Smith, Mitchell, Crick, Jamison, McClain
OLB: Reed, Mercilus, Montgomery, Braman, T.Williams, Jefferson
ILB: Cushing, Sharpton, Mays, Dobbins,
CB: JJo, KJ, McCain, Harris, Bouye
S: Manning, Reed, Keo, Swearinger, Pleasant

ST (3):
K: Bullock
LS: Weeks
P: Lechler
No case? You trying to stash him on the PS? Also, only 3 RB and 1 FB seems thin to me. I think it's either 4/1 or 3/2 myself.
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No case? You trying to stash him on the PS? Also, only 3 RB and 1 FB seems thin to me. I think it's either 4/1 or 3/2 myself.
Keenum has to earn that spot. He hasn't done that just yet ... Its highly possible he sticks but I cant give him the roster spot "Yet."


Look what they had at RB last season - Foster , Tate & Forsett with only Casey until they brought in Clutts late in the year. I think Jones will be the only FB on the roster , many teams don't carry any.
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Keenum has to earn that spot. He hasn't done that just yet ... Its highly possible he sticks but I cant give him the roster spot "Yet."


Look what they had at RB last season - Foster , Tate & Forsett with only Casey until they brought in Clutts late in the year. I think Jones will be the only FB on the roster , many teams don't carry any.
I like your list personally, but its a little OT, Safety, and OLB heavy liking. I understand the extra safety because Reed probably won't be back by week 1, but I think either Gardner, Harris, or Williams won't make it at Tackle. OLB is another position where I just can't see us taking 6.
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I like your list personally, but its a little OT, Safety, and OLB heavy liking. I understand the extra safety because Reed probably won't be back by week 1, but I think either Gardner, Harris, or Williams won't make it at Tackle. OLB is another position where I just can't see us taking 6.
OT - If Keenum earns a spot , I think that one of those guys go. The question is who .... Maybe one of them gets a mysterious injury.


OLB & Safety - I'd prefer to keep another corner and a DE/DT. If one of the OLB's goes , I think its Jefferson to the PS.

I cant decide between Keo & Pleasant. Going to be hard for both to make the final 53.




This list is fluid , it'll change from week to week during the preseason based upon who shows well. A big part of keeping extra players at those positions at this point is .... we haven't seen sh!t from the draft picks at OT & OLB.
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OT - If Keenum earns a spot , I think that one of those guys go. The question is who .... Maybe one of them gets a mysterious injury.


OLB & Safety - I'd prefer to keep another corner and a DE/DT. If one of the OLB's goes , I think its Jefferson to the PS.

I cant decide between Keo & Pleasant. Going to be hard for both to make the final 53.




This list is fluid , it'll change from week to week during the preseason based upon who shows well.
I agree with everything you said except I think Williams will be stashed. Jefferson can probably help us more right now situationally.

I think Pleasant and Keo can both make it, but it all depends on Reed and how the team feels about his health moving forward. Its tough to carry that many safeties.
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QB: Schaub, Yates, case
RB: Arian, Tate, karim
FB: Jones, Clutts
WR: Dre, Hopkins, Martin, Bonner, Posey
OT: brown, newton, Harris, quess
OG: brooks, smith
OC: Meyers, Jones
TE: OD, grahm, griffen

DE: watt, smith, Jamison, crick
NT: Mitchell, mcClain, Chris jones
OLB: Reed, Mercilus, Willie, trevardo, Montgomery, Braman
ILB: Cushing, Sharpton, Mays, Dobbins
CB: Kareem, Joseph, McCain, Harris, Bouye
Safety: reed, manning, swearinger, pleasant

K: Bullock
P: Lechler
LS: Weeks

PS:
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That was hard. Even putting together a practice squad is hard.

That's where I think I'm at right now. I wish trevardo and/or Montgomery could be PS. Or even Case.

Either way I'm not sold or dead set on this roster, it's just where I'm at right now...and really I hate my own roster. Well..I don't hate it...it's just frustrating putting the fringe guys here they should go.
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I'm definitely expecting someone that the Texans put on their practice squad (or at least attempt to) will get snatched up by another team and see some actual regular season playing time.

State of the Texans put up their "version 3" of a 53-man roster and I saw a few surprises there I do not agree with.

First Patrick Starr had only 3 running backs and 1 FB, which seems a bit low, even if that is what the Texans were going to have last year before Clutts.

Second, he puts David Hunter on the roster over McClain, which I just don't see, especially since McClain was on the active roster last year. Only way that makes sense if if there is a lot in practice where Hunter is outshining McClain that I just haven't seen.

Third, he has them carrying both Tuggle and Jefferson, when I think it is one or the other. To do that he has them practice squading Trevardo Williams, which I just don't see with a 4th rounder that they just drafted (though I would be a fan of IR-stashing him if he gets "injured"). He also has them cutting Braman outright, which unless he has a stinker of a next 2/3 games, I think he still keeps his roster spot due to his special teams ability.

Finally, because he has them cutting Braman, he includes Mack on the roster. Nothing I've seen out of Elbert Mack makes me think he is a viable "vet presence" so I'm not sure how someone could put him in the same category as a Jason Allen type corner.

Definitely like your most recent version of the roster Rey better than the State of the Texans one.

Of course, if Mack has a 2 interception game, Hunter comes away with 3 sacks, Braman doesn't do anything right, and Trevardo remains a ghost, Patrick Starr will look like a fortune teller.
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I had Jefferson on my roster, but tuggle had the better game.

Really, I'd cut trevardo if it was just based on performance.
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Keenum has to earn that spot. He hasn't done that just yet ... Its highly possible he sticks but I cant give him the roster spot "Yet."


Look what they had at RB last season - Foster , Tate & Forsett with only Casey until they brought in Clutts late in the year. I think Jones will be the only FB on the roster , many teams don't carry any.
They traded for Clutts before the season started. It was right at the cut-deadline.
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QB: Schaub, Yates, Keenum
RB: Arian, Tate, Woods
FB: Jones, Clutts
WR: Dre, Hopkins, Martin, Bonner, Lemon (until Posey gets back)
OT: brown, newton, Harris, quess
OG: brooks, smith
OC: Meyers, Jones
TE: OD, grahm, griffen

DE: watt, smith, Jamison, crick
NT: Mitchell, mcClain, Chris jones
OLB: Reed, Mercilus, Jefferson, Tuggle, Williams, Braman
ILB: Cushing, Sharpton, Mays, Dobbins
CB: Kareem, Joseph, McCain, Harris, Bouye
Safety: reed, manning, swearinger, pleasant

K: Bullock
P: Lechler
LS: Weeks

IR - Sam Montgomery
I agree with everything on here, but see my changes.
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Taking Byrne over Griffin so we have a legit blocking TE. Also taking Karim due to experience. Also cutting CarMichael for a CB that gets cut from another camp.

QB(3) Schaub/Yates/Keenum
RB(5) Foster/Tate/Karim/G. Jones/Clutts
TE(3) Daniels/Graham/Byrne
OL(9) Brown/W. Smith/Myers/Brooks/Newton/Jones/Harris/Gardner/Quessenberry
WR (5) Johnson/Jean/Hopkins/Martin/Bonner

DE(4) Watt/A.Smith/Crick/Jamison
DT(3) Mitchell/McClain/Muir
LB (9) Cushing/Mays/Sharpton/B. Reed/Mercilus/Braman/Dobbins/Jefferson/T. Williams
CB(5) Joseph/Jackson/McCain/Harris/FREE AGENT
S (4) Manning/Swearinger/Pleasant/Keo

ST (3) Weeks/Lechler/Bullock

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PUP Brennan Williams
Just a small rules issue, but only players who have yet to practice in training camp can be placed on the PUP list.

This would mean Montgomery for sure is excluded, and I believe Williams also. If they are to be "injury stashed" it would have to be of the IR variety. Not sure if either would be considered valuable enough to "designate to return" as that option would likely be saved in case one of our stars got injured during the season (obviously I'm crossing my fingers that does not happen). Also all PUP/IR/NFI/etc. desinations count towards the salary cap, so with the little space the Texans have, it might limit how much stashing the Texans really do.

Unrelated to PUP/IR, I decided to go back and look at 2011 and 2012 roster #s at the very start of the season:

2012:

Offense (25)
QB (3)
RB (3)
FB (2)
WR (6)
TE (2)
OT (3)
C (2)
OG (4)

Defense (25)
NT (2)
DE (4)
ILB (4)
OLB (5)
CB (6)
S (4)

ST (3)


2011:

Offense (24)
QB (3)
RB (4)
FB (2)
TE (3)
WR (4)
OT (4)
C (1)
OG (3)

Defense (26)
NT (2)
DE (4)
OLB (5)
ILB (4)
CB (7)
S (4)

ST(3)

Two things that stood out to me was the large # of WRs/lack of TEs last year (obviously influenced by the carrying of Trindon last year as a "WR" and Casey being dual purpose) and the incredible # of corner backs on the roster just 2 years ago (though less than 2 weeks in Roc was IR'ed and Anderson was brought back as a 5th WR).

It does show that sometimes talent will outweigh balance, so just because it doesn't seem to make sense for this year's team to carry more than 6 D-Linemen or a 4th RB, I wouldn't count any player out just because their position group is crowded if all are talented enough.

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Taking Byrne over Griffin so we have a legit blocking TE. Also taking Karim due to experience. Also cutting CarMichael for a CB that gets cut from another camp.

QB(3) Schaub/Yates/Keenum
RB(5) Foster/Tate/Karim/G. Jones/Clutts
TE(3) Daniels/Graham/Byrne
OL(9) Brown/W. Smith/Myers/Brooks/Newton/Jones/Harris/Gardner/Quessenberry
WR (5) Johnson/Jean/Hopkins/Martin/Bonner

DE(4) Watt/A.Smith/Crick/Jamison
DT(3) Mitchell/McClain/Muir
LB (9) Cushing/Mays/Sharpton/B. Reed/Mercilus/Braman/Dobbins/Jefferson/T. Williams
CB(5) Joseph/Jackson/McCain/Harris/FREE AGENT
S (4) Manning/Swearinger/Pleasant/Keo

ST (3) Weeks/Lechler/Bullock

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PUP DeVier Posey
PUP Brennan Williams
I can't see Byrne leap-frogging Griffin. Granted, not completely out of the question, but I just can't see it. From all accounts, Griffin has exceeded expectations. Byrne could be a good PS candidate though.
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I can't see Byrne leap-frogging Griffin. Granted, not completely out of the question, but I just can't see it. From all accounts, Griffin has exceeded expectations. Byrne could be a good PS candidate though.
I thought both Griffin and Byrne looked good. If anything, it's going to make it hard not to have 4 TEs on the team and with this offense, that's not necessarily a bad thing.
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Yes, I'm particularly excited now about a TE group that I thought had depth concerns.
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Just a small rules issue, but only players who have yet to practice in training camp can be placed on the PUP list.

This would mean Montgomery for sure is excluded, and I believe Williams also. If they are to be "injury stashed" it would have to be of the IR variety. Not sure if either would be considered valuable enough to "designate to return" as that option would likely be saved in case one of our stars got injured during the season (obviously I'm crossing my fingers that does not happen). Also all PUP/IR/NFI/etc. desinations count towards the salary cap, so with the little space the Texans have, it might limit how much stashing the Texans really do.
I gotcha. Well the Texans will have to tell us if they think Montgomery and Williams are healthy enough to carry on the roster or IR candidates.
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