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Old 08-27-2013   #621
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How do we know it was a called draw? For all we know, Keenum made that call all by himself, after all that spread was his specialty at UH...


He may have taken a look at the defense before the snap, & made up his mind that he'll make one read then go.
I think you're on to something. Did you notice the way Keenum was grinning after that successful draw? I think, as the play unfolded, he saw all the DBs with their backs turned in coverage and took off through a gap in the pocket because he saw he had free-for-the-taking yards.

He tried it again about 2 or 3 plays later but the D was watching for it.
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I think you're on to something. Did you notice the way Keenum was grinning after that successful draw? I think, as the play unfolded, he saw all the DBs with their backs turned in coverage and took off through a gap in the pocket because he saw he had free-for-the-taking yards.

He tried it again about 2 or 3 plays later but the D was watching for it.
The first play wasn't a draw. No one was open and he ran for yards. Kubiak himself stated that.

The second play was nothing like that. He didn't even scan the field. It was a called draw...not sure why TK has this fetish with Keenum going all rogue.
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great pre-season battle with keenum vs yates. regardless, both backups have stepped up their game. i personally had keenum a slight edge over yates overall. he had a couple deep balls in the end zone and had plays like 4 and 1 and ran the ball for the first. he's going to be good. can't imagine keenum throwing to AJ, Foster, and Daniels....
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Default Re: Case Keenum grabs early edge in Texans backup QB

While we can easily look at the QBs & say, "This guy looks good, That guy looked better, etc, etc, etc.... "

We really don't know what the coach is asking him to do..... There might have been a great TD pass, but IF the QB didn't properly read the defense & adjusted his first read, to where he missed the first/second open receiver, thereby not getting the ball out on time.

Maybe he didn't adjust to the hot route on the blitz? Still made a great play that moved the chains, but if he's not reading the defense, not picking up keys, not on the same page with the receivers.... then you're not really utilizing your offense to it's potential. We know this offense can generate 25+ points per game with "the right" QB (without taking many chances) & ~17 or so with the wrong guy (taking chance after chance after chance).
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While we can easily look at the QBs & say, "This guy looks good, That guy looked better, etc, etc, etc.... "

We really don't know what the coach is asking him to do..... There might have been a great TD pass, but IF the QB didn't properly read the defense & adjusted his first read, to where he missed the first/second open receiver, thereby not getting the ball out on time.

Maybe he didn't adjust to the hot route on the blitz? Still made a great play that moved the chains, but if he's not reading the defense, not picking up keys, not on the same page with the receivers.... then you're not really utilizing your offense to it's potential. We know this offense can generate 25+ points per game with "the right" QB (without taking many chances) & ~17 or so with the wrong guy (taking chance after chance after chance).
Not going to disagree with any of those hypotheticals being possible, but as it stands it is just as likely that Keenum did exactly what he was asked to do.
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Not going to disagree with any of those hypotheticals being possible, but as it stands it is just as likely that Keenum did exactly what he was asked to do.
Yeah, that and I'll go ahead and disagree with his hypotheticals as it makes no sense.
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Not going to disagree with any of those hypotheticals being possible, but as it stands it is just as likely that Keenum did exactly what he was asked to do.
I didn't watch the game, so I don't know. It is very possible that Keenum did everything he was supposed to.... I'm just saying we don't know. Only Kubiak & the QB coaches do.

However, I know Kubiak stresses footwork, part of that is because it is the QB's method of keeping time. On a three step drop, that ball is supposed to come out on the third step. On a five step drop, it's supposed to come out on the fifth, etc...

There are many reasons the ball may not come out on time, many are legit, some aren't. If Keenum (or Tj for that matter) is getting the ball out on time more often than not... great. If they aren't getting it out on time for legit reasons... great.

If they're acting like Vince Young, not recognizing their reads, not making the right adjustments... but still winning games, you're playing with fools gold.

Let's watch Colin Kaepernick this year & see if he's actually progressing as a QB. If he's playing the same way he played last year (RG3 as well) I guarantee you he won't have the same success, either he won't play 16 games, or defenses will figure him out.

At the same time, if the Chiefs can stay healthy I guarantee you they'll make the play offs. Alex Smith probably won't get any credit & Jamaal Charles probably will, but Smith will do his job, no doubt in my mind.

Keep in mind, I don't care if Case or Tj "wins" the back up QB spot. What I said goes for both guys equally.
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Is it a correct assumption that Keenum was put into more challenging positions than Schaub and Yates this preseason?

Third and long; fourth down situation; pass play from deep in his own end zone, etc. ?

Also, was he pressured more than the other two QBs, or at least responded better in pressure situations?

Or am I imagining it?
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Is it a correct assumption that Keenum was put into more challenging positions than Schaub and Yates this preseason?

Third and long; fourth down situation; pass play from deep in his own end zone, etc. ?

Also, was he pressured more than the other two QBs, or at least responded better in pressure situations?

Or am I imagining it?
I don't think those are the things Kubiak is looking for. He's looking for the guy that runs his offense the most efficiently.
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I don't think those are the things Kubiak is looking for. He's looking for the guy that runs his offense the most efficiently.
He still needs to run the offense the way Kubiak wants him to; I'm not saying anything differently.
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If Keenum didn't prove to his distractors that he's a future NFL QB during this pre-season then nothing will.

I see a day when Keenum is our starter. Or, if the Texans really **** this one up, someone else's starter.
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Keenum proved that he could be the starter for this team one day, and I would like to see it happen. However, Yates performed well enough to keep his spot. This competition will happen again next year, and it will be even more interesting.
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If Keenum didn't prove to his distractors that he's a future NFL QB during this pre-season then nothing will.

I see a day when Keenum is our starter. Or, if the Texans really **** this one up, someone else's starter.
Strong words, indeed.
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However, I know Kubiak stresses footwork, part of that is because it is the QB's method of keeping time. On a three step drop, that ball is supposed to come out on the third step. On a five step drop, it's supposed to come out on the fifth, etc...
one of case's strengths in my opinion, is he has amazing footwork. his plant, mobility in the pocket, and foot speed are ideal. two plays stood out to me last night. one was a rollout to his left with the ROLB or RE coming at him and he was able to outrun the defender without ever taking his eyes off the field or taking his upper body away from throwing position (dropped by jean). schaub would've started backtracking to the sideline and thrown it away as the defender flattened him. the other was the pass from our endzone, case takes his drop, moves left and then up in the pocket, and fires a strike. great feet.
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If Keenum didn't prove to his distractors that he's a future NFL QB during this pre-season then nothing will.
Then I guess nothing will.

Call me hard headed, but I'm still not convinced Kaepernick or Luck can be starters in this league.
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Then I guess nothing will.

Call me hard headed, but I'm still not convinced Kaepernick or Luck can be starters in this league.
But . . . they already are starters in this league.
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But . . . they already are starters in this league.
Yeah, that kind of had me scratching my head as well.
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call me hard headed, but i'm still not convinced kaepernick or luck can be starters in this league.
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Throwing rhetoric aside (IE arm strength, height), based on his play out there during preaseason, how would you characterize Keenum's weaknesses? I didn't see any instance of lack of arm strength or a significant number of batted passes.

I don't see a huge weakness that would limit him from being a starter.
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Throwing rhetoric aside (IE arm strength, height), based on his play out there during preaseason, how would you characterize Keenum's weaknesses? I didn't see any instance of lack of arm strength or a significant number of batted passes.

I don't see a huge weakness that would limit him from being a starter.
I think he's done all HE can at this point for coaches to have faith in him. We won't know about his strengths/weaknesses in a real game vs real competition until he actually gets a chance to play in a game that matters vs other team's top defense.
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