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Old 08-18-2013   #381
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People who think arm strength is about throwing 40+ yard passes do not understand arm strength.
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Tannehill showed arm strength on that throw to split defenders for that TD.

That's the kind of throw Schaub struggles with and it's why if our running game isn't going in the red zone we struggle to score TDs.
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No what's "doubly retarded" is your asinine assuptions (and you know what they say about assuming). Please show me where in the hell I ever said the Jets would pick up Case
And the wheel keeps going. I'm sure you'll move the goalposts some more in order to make a long winded post that boils down to "No I didn't say that".

Anyways, pedantic arguments with Carr Bombed aside, now that we have two games worth of Keenum ball along with some Kubiak comments Case has made himself a question to make the 53. I wonder if he comes in as 2nd QB against NO.
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And considering all of that the battle favors who in your opinion?
i give it to keenum, especially if we needed to sub a guy in. a backup who's different from the starter (especially a mobile one) is a huge mess for the defense to adjust to. TK is right that yates will likely hold onto the job this year because of his experience, but as of right now i have keenum being the better player - and with a higher ceiling.
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Noticed today while watching both games that yates seems to have had a forgotten drive. At the end of the first half in the first game yates engineered what should have been a scoring drive. Bulluck missed the kick. Yate's play here seems to be overlooked due to the technical difficulties encountered by abc. The running game was ineffective for yates week 1 as well.

Not that I have a dog in the race. May the best qb win. Just an observation.
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Tannehill showed arm strength on that throw to split defenders for that TD.

That's the kind of throw Schaub struggles with and it's why if our running game isn't going in the red zone we struggle to score TDs.
WINNER!

Noone on our team has that kind of arm strength to make the "unopen" receivers open, also is there never a time when they throw the ball before the receiver breaks?
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I can't lie. I'm starting to drink the Case koolaid myself. I need to see a lot more, but there were a couple of throws he made that really impressed me. His boots and his ability to move also make me wonder how much more this offense is capable of.

One play that he made really impressed me. The Dolphins ran a stunt up front where a D-Lineman came free inside. Case just kind of gave him a fake, rolled out. and ended up throwing the ball away. It was a 1st and 10 play, but it wasn't a negative play that would've put us behind the chains. All I could think was if that was Schaub we'd be staring at 2nd and 16 right there. Someone else said it, but if Kubiak had any kind of guts he'd let Case get a series or 2 next week with the ones at the end of the half and after.

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People who think arm strength is about throwing 40+ yard passes do not understand arm strength.
When you throw a 45-yd deep out to a receiver than can run a 4.44 in stride, it's called arm strength, is it not?

You simply cannot lob the ball for it to get there that soon.
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When you throw a 45-yd deep out to a receiver than can run a 4.44 in stride, it's called arm strength, is it not?

You simply cannot lob the ball for it to get there that soon.
There is no such thing as a 45 yard deep out route.. Or are you saying 45 yards across the field.. If so, very few in any QB's should ever attempt to throw a deep out 15 yards across the field.. you'll get benched before long.
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There is no such thing as a 45 yard deep out route.. Or are you saying 45 yards across the field.. If so, very few in any QB's should ever attempt to throw a deep out 15 yards across the field.. you'll get benched before long.
I'm sorry, I meant to say a go route to the corner of the end zone, like the two he threw to Lemon at the end of the half.

BTW, I just rewatched those two plays, and each time he released the ball just after the 2-sec mark, with a defender pushing the blocker right close to Keenum. If he had a little cleaner of a pocket, either one of those could have very well been a TD.

I heard that Lemon was bumped on the second play as well, but the TV feed from the Miami channel (that I have) doesn't show it.
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I'm sorry, I meant to say a go route to the corner of the end zone, like the two he threw to Lemon at the end of the half.

BTW, I just rewatched those two plays, and each time he released the ball just after the 2-sec mark, with a defender pushing the blocker right close to Keenum. If he had a little cleaner of a pocket, either one of those could have very well been a TD.

I heard that Lemon was bumped on the second play as well, but the TV feed from the Miami channel (that I have) doesn't show it.
It was a hold on Lemon.
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It was a hold on Lemon.
Did they show it on the Houston feed with the correct angle, or did you see it at the game?
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I'm sorry, I meant to say a go route to the corner of the end zone, like the two he threw to Lemon at the end of the half.
i kept thinking andre would've caught at least one of those. i think it was the second one - lemon got off poorly, ended up curling from inside out, and then slowed to make contact with the DB ... and he's not the fastest guy ever to begin with. that looked like one where keenum drops it on a spot and his receiver is supposed to run under it, dre probably gets there.
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Noone on our team has that kind of arm strength to make the "unopen" receivers open, also is there never a time when they throw the ball before the receiver breaks?
You should re-watch Schaub's very first completion to A.J. 'Dre ran a ~ 15 yd IN and Schaub let the ball go just before A.J. made his inside cut. When he turned in the ball was on him.

Point is, we make timing throws like that more often than people think.
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Lets keep expectations in check here. This was a preseason game vs 2's. As good as i thought he looked no one is game planning vs Case. Lets stop working on the HOF bust. IJS...
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Did they show it on the Houston feed with the correct angle, or did you see it at the game?
I saw it at the game.
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Did they show it on the Houston feed with the correct angle, or did you see it at the game?
There was no hold, that play is almost directly in front and at first I thought it was a hold till the replay showed it. It was a bump down the field but it wasn't a hold.
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Tannehill showed arm strength on that throw to split defenders for that TD.
That's a good example of why arm strength is important.

It should also be taken into account when things don't go right & the QB has to make something happen. Throwing on the run, throwing off his back foot, not being able to follow through, throwing across your body... all the things you're not supposed to do, but inevitably have to.

A strong arm can compensate for not being able to set your feet right or other conditions that are less than ideal.
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Noone on our team has that kind of arm strength to make the "unopen" receivers open, also is there never a time when they throw the ball before the receiver breaks?
Just to be picky.....

That throw had nothing to do with throwing someone open. That was about Wallace selling the inside route.

No one on the defensive side of the ball has any idea where the receivers are going to go. They more or less guess & use their help. Jjo had Wallace up to about the 1 yard line, then widened his coverage incase Wallace broke to the flat. Manning stood on the goal line, then widened towards the post in case Wallace went behind him.

Wallace made it look like he was going to break his route behind Manning, but stopped on a dime & turned around.

Tannehill must have known that was an option on that route & because of where Manning was, he anticpated Wallace would come back to him. His ability to zip it in there made it impossible for either Manning or Jjo to recover..... watching, you can see that they realized their mistake, they just didn't have enough time to get back.

Cutler threw a nice TD with Zip to Brandon Marshall as well. It was near the sideline, so it was much farther than the actual yard markers & BM had a DB draped on him. Cutler was able to get that ball into Marshall's gut before the defender could even swipe at it.

Mind you arm strength isn't everything. I'd much rather have Schaub (though I'm not a fan) than Cutler.
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Lets keep expectations in check here. This was a preseason game vs 2's. As good as i thought he looked no one is game planning vs Case. Lets stop working on the HOF bust. IJS...
Dude, nobody is saying he's going to the freaking HOF! We're all talking backup QB. BACKUP!! Well, with the exception of one or two who thinks he should take over for Schaub now.

It IS pre-season so in pre-season we talk not so much about the game and strategy but more about position battles. A few starting spots like the o-line, but a lot about backup/depth.

If you don't care for Keenum that's fine. But to constantly rag on the dude because you don't like him, think he's Timmy Chang, think he's too short, buy the BS weak arm crap or whatever, and totally ignore the fact that he looks like a decent NFL BACKUP right now and is battling like a mother against Yates, then I don't know man. I don't know what to tell people like that.
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