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Old 07-16-2013   #21
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Normally I would be saying this right there with ya. But, Graham was horrible on KOs. IMO, with the new rule an NFL kicker should hit the endzone dang near every KO. I mean, at least make the returner have to make the decision to bring it out. It seemed like Graham was continually hitting the 5 yard line, giving the returner no choice but to run with it.

That, in addition to our crappy STs overall is a major issue.
With our coverage team being as bad as they were I understand the concern, but I would think you'd want The ball to land inside the 5 giving your coverage team the chance to pin them inside the 5, or 10... anything shorter than the 20 & you win.

I don't see the point in kicking it into the end zone every time & giving them 20 yards.
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With our coverage team being as bad as they were I understand the concern, but I would think you'd want The ball to land inside the 5 giving your coverage team the chance to pin them inside the 5, or 10... anything shorter than the 20 & you win.

I don't see the point in kicking it into the end zone every time & giving them 20 yards.
I don't think so, you might want to take a gander at KO return averages. Considering the average KO return ranges from Stefon Logan's 21.3 to Jacoby Jones' 30.7 yards, I'd think we'd be better off with the possibility of the touchback.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/pl...sPerKickReturn

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Training camp begins a week from tomorrow (7/25).

Let's see who does what in camp.
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Training camp begins a week from tomorrow (7/25).

Let's see who does what in camp.
Wow, I missed that; but that's OK 'cuz everybody in this thread is missing something.
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Wow, I missed that; but that's OK 'cuz everybody in this thread is missing something.
Speaking of camp, I better go to the mothership and get my passes.
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Our Texans have some issues going into training camp next week. Inside LB, right side of OL, QB, Nose Tackle, WR depth, Safety... we have more questions than answers at this point.

Our biggest concern however may be an area that isn't really being discussed.... Place Kicker. Randy Bullock is the lone PK on the roster and given his limited reps last preseason he is a huge question mark. He was somewhat shaky on field goals and showed a weak leg on kickoffs. Obviously this is an extremely important position that often wins or loses games for a team, especially one involved in a lot of close games like the Texans given their ultra-conservative play with a lead.

With zero competition on the roster it seems like the organization is content to just whistle past the graveyard on this one and hope for the best which seems like a huge risk. What say you???
It's pretty easy to tell whether or not a kicker has range and accuracy in the preseason. If he does, we are good. If not, there are others around.

This team's problem isn't place kicker. We need a WR to step up among other things.
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Maybe you missed it but Lechler is a Punter... not a Kicker.

Bullock couldn't even get the ball into the end zone last preseason in an era where touchbacks occur about 50% of the time. Time for Coach Joe to earn his money...
I'm pretty sure the punter kicks the football which makes him a kicker.
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It's pretty easy to tell whether or not a kicker has range and accuracy in the preseason. If he does, we are good. If not, there are others around.

This team's problem isn't place kicker. We need a WR to step up among other things.
Well thought out post from a Texans fan.....

in rebuttal, I know we like to think we're part of the decision making process & need to see what we need to see. But if the coaches don't know by now what kind of range Bullock has (through OTAs, through mini-camp) then they won't learn anything in the preseason.
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It's pretty easy to tell whether or not a kicker has range and accuracy in the preseason. If he does, we are good. If not, there are others around.

This team's problem isn't place kicker. We need a WR to step up among other things.
So...the Colts maybe/may not be good with their kicker?

So...the Colts need a WR to step up?

What are the "among other things" that your team is lacking?
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Maybe you missed it but not only Shane do kickoff's at A&M but he's also done them throughout his NFL career. That's what leads me to believe he is capable of it.
No, I saw it. He's kicked off a few times in his career however it is not a strength. NFL kickers have lost jobs due to short kickoffs and Kubiak isn't likely to bring in a specialist for this and waste an important roster spot.

You guys tried to make the same argument for Casey and Dreesen long snapping because you didn't understand the importance of that .3 seconds faster that Jon Weeks gets the ball back to the kicker.

The NFL game is literally a game of inches and fractions of seconds. Teams don't just plug in someone to do a job because they might be okay at it sometimes. In an age where almost 50% of all kickoffs are touchbacks, that is the expectation and they will need a player with the ability to kick it deep consistently.
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Maybe you missed it...

No, Maybe you missed it...

No, I believe you missed it...

What I didn't miss was a bunch of people acting like Ninnies!!
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What I didn't miss was a bunch of people acting like Ninnies!!
Hmmmm, I must have missed it.
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Normally I would be saying this right there with ya. But, Graham was horrible on KOs. IMO, with the new rule an NFL kicker should hit the endzone dang near every KO. I mean, at least make the returner have to make the decision to bring it out. It seemed like Graham was continually hitting the 5 yard line, giving the returner no choice but to run with it.

That, in addition to our crappy STs overall is a major issue.
Absolutely. Even if the ST coach wants to call a short KO like at the 5 because he has confidence most of the time with his coverage team, that kicker should still have the ability to otherwise kick that ball out of the end zone at will. This should be an absolute in that you don't want to lose a close late game because of a short kick leading to a huge return.
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With our coverage team being as bad as they were I understand the concern, but I would think you'd want The ball to land inside the 5 giving your coverage team the chance to pin them inside the 5, or 10... anything shorter than the 20 & you win.

I don't see the point in kicking it into the end zone every time & giving them 20 yards.
I completely agree with the thinking; don't automatically "gift" them the ball at the 20 if you can pin them inside of it. The question is, can we get sufficient hang time - short kicks OUGHT to be higher - to smother the returner and make this strategy work?

If we can, I like it!
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I completely agree with the thinking; don't automatically "gift" them the ball at the 20 if you can pin them inside of it. The question is, can we get sufficient hang time - short kicks OUGHT to be higher - to smother the returner and make this strategy work?

If we can, I like it!
Moving the ball up changes the game, I'm hoping we're trying to change as well. Personally I'm not going to hold it against the kicker if the ball is dropped in front of the endzone, or anywhere near the goal line, that's where I want it. if he can get the hangtime where my team can cross their 20 before they field the ball, I'm happy.
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-Chron.com

Texans' eyes will be on Bullock's right leg (Chron alert)

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"He showed us a lot before he got hurt," Kubiak said as he prepared for his eighth training camp with the Texans. "We believe in him because we know what he's capable of doing."
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Marciano scouted Bullock extensively. He was so high on Bullock that you would have thought Marciano was an Aggie, too.
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During camp, Bullock suffered a groin injury but didn't tell anyone at first. Marciano noticed his getting less distance on his kickoffs and field goals in practice. One day, Bullock showed Marciano his upper leg, and the inside was so purple that it was turning black.
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"The kid gets distance on his kickoffs," Kubiak said.

Kickoffs are a big reason Bullock has the job. Graham didn't kick off as deep as the coaches wanted...

The Texans were so bad on kickoff coverage that they ranked last in the NFL, giving opponents an average starting field position of the 25.6-yard line. The league average was the 22.1. Of the Texans' 92 kickoffs, only 13 saw their opponents start inside their 20.

So Bullock has to kick deep on kickoffs, and his teammates have to do a much better job on coverage.

On field goals, where games are won and lost, Bullock has an exceptional snapper in Jon Weeks. Holder Shane Lechler is one of the greatest punters in NFL history.

Something to keep an eye on in camp is Lechler's holding for a right-footed kicker for the first time in his career. When Lechler was the holder during his 13 seasons at Oakland, his kicker was the left-footed Sebastian Janikowski.

Watching Lechler and Bullock work together for the first time will be one of the more interesting things about training camp. And they'd better click, or the Texans will have to make adjustments.
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Marciano seems to be able to spot the talent. . . making use of it is another story all together.
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Marciano seems to be able to spot the talent. . . making use of it is another story all together.
I'll just leave this here: http://instantrimshot.com/

As for the original kicker discussion, it looks like everyone was right to an extent. I'm optimistic he can get it done. Good update Playoffs.
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Based on what I saw of him in college, count me very skeptical on the adductor tear being the sole reason for his shorter kickoffs and FG attempts in preseason. He wasn't dealing with any adductor problems in college. This is not even to mention the concern of rookie "nerves" in critical situations. The only time I can honestly say I ever saw Bullock demonstrate a "big leg" is last year from the swelling seen after the tear.
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I don't see the point in kicking it into the end zone every time & giving them 20 yards.
I don't know why not, it would put your team at 3rd best in the league in kickoff coverage.
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