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Old 07-09-2013   #21
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Default Re: Texans_Chick: Texans are not a “run first team”

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Run first teams don't put up over 4000 yds passing year in and year out.
I'm not saying that's elite, I'm just saying. Year in & year out??? That sounds like elite.

But I'm not saying it.
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8 yrs is hardly a swinging door approach.

Seems as though you may be a Kubiak HC for life kida guy.
I'm a stability kinda guy, a Tom Landry, Chuck Noll kinda guy who believes that as long as the coach can stay relevant and produce a winning team, you keep him.

I'm not a fire Bum Phillips after six years and three consecutive trips to the playoffs kinda guy.
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I'm not a fire Bum Phillips after six years and three consecutive trips to the playoffs kinda guy.
Exactly and how well did that work out? - six years and twenty three wins after three trips to the playoffs and the latter was with Moon and Campbell. 32 wins in 3 years v. 26 wins in 6. Get rid of the bum because he didn't make it all the way even if he was going up against the AFC team of the decade.
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Default Re: Texans_Chick: Texans are not a “run first team”

Didnt Texans lead the league in rushing attempts in 2011?

There are basically no run-first teams anymore. ( At least not in the classic sense of RBs getting carries, now more QBs are running the ball themselves)

Texans are a run-HEAVY team for sure.

They're run-first in image because of Kubiak's "vanilla" style not deviating from his gameplan in a way thats attributed to conservative run oriented coaches. But it doesnt necessarily mean its "3 yards & cloud of dust" on field
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Default Re: Texans_Chick: Texans are not a “run first team”

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Didnt Texans lead the league in rushing attempts in 2011?
Tied for 1st with the Tebow-led Broncos in 2011. We were 4th in 2012 behind Seattle, New England, and Washington. We were 19th and 20th in 2010 and 2011, btw.
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Default Re: Texans_Chick: Texans are not a “run first team”

Considering that the teams ahead of the Texans in rushing attempts all have QBs that run, I think it's safe to say the Texans utilize their running back position as much or more than any other team. The Seahawks and Redskins had 32 and 15 more carries than the Texans respectively. I bet Wilson and RGIII ran the ball more than 32 and 15 times last year. Schaub ran it .... what? Once? Badly?
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Considering that the teams ahead of the Texans in rushing attempts all have QBs that run, I think it's safe to say the Texans utilize their running back position as much or more than any other team. The Seahawks and Redskins had 32 and 15 more carries than the Texans respectively. I bet Wilson and RGIII ran the ball more than 32 and 15 times last year. Schaub ran it .... what? Once? Badly?
Given that "all" includes Tom Brady, no.

And so what? Is the thread title "RB first team" so you get to exclude teams designed to have their QB run? That makes no sense. They're still rushing plays.
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Considering that the teams ahead of the Texans in rushing attempts all have QBs that run, I think it's safe to say the Texans utilize their running back position as much or more than any other team. The Seahawks and Redskins had 32 and 15 more carries than the Texans respectively. I bet Wilson and RGIII ran the ball more than 32 and 15 times last year. Schaub ran it .... what? Once? Badly?
That Tom Brady option offense is awesome.
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Default Re: Texans_Chick: Texans are not a “run first team”

I've heard Kubiak himself say they need to establish the run to set up the play-action. I remember this specific question to Kubiak on the radio, and he gave the typical sort of bland answers, but he said they are not a "pass first" team, as well.

And I've heard too many other Texans players make statements that the running game is extremely important aspect of their offense so the play-action and bootlegs are effective. If teams are not biting on the run, then their designed passing plays get less dimensional.

They might not be a so-called "run first" team, but they certainly need to establish a run game to make the rest of the offense balance out.

It's a fine line in definition, and one that I do not think really matters in the end. This offense cannot survive on one aspect (i.e. run vs. pass) alone to be consistently successful week in/week out.
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Default Re: Texans_Chick: Texans are not a “run first team”

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Given that "all" includes Tom Brady, no.
Forgot about Brady, but he did have 23 carries and 4 TDs last year. My main point is I am not interested in factoring in QB rushes to determine how much of a running team one is. Some may be, and that's cool, but I don't consider it a valid comparison. The Texans are one of the heaviest run oriented teams in the NFL. That said, I posted early in the thread to say that there are no run first NFL teams anymore, so this is all relative.

EDIT - just for the sake of completion, I looked at Schaub. He had 21 carries last year. Who knew? The result was a grand total of -9 yards and zero TDs, so I'm not sure he was running. I think when Carr "ran" like that, they counted them as sacks.
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I've heard Kubiak himself say they need to establish the run to set up the play-action. I remember this specific question to Kubiak on the radio, and he gave the typical sort of bland answers, but he said they are not a "pass first" team, as well.

And I've heard too many other Texans players make statements that the running game is extremely important aspect of their offense so the play-action and bootlegs are effective. If teams are not biting on the run, then their designed passing plays get less dimensional.

They might not be a so-called "run first" team, but they certainly need to establish a run game to make the rest of the offense balance out.

It's a fine line in definition, and one that I do not think really matters in the end. This offense cannot survive on one aspect (i.e. run vs. pass) alone to be consistently successful week in/week out.
Bland answer would be exactly what it was. Fact is the Texans led the league in passing with a prolific play action passing game in which if memory serves Schaub put up 4770 yds while having the 30th ranked rushing O. Schaub gets away with it because despite being a sloth he sells the play fake as well as anyone and sells every play. Watch how many QBs actually bother to bootleg out after handing the ball off - it is very few.

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That said, I posted early in the thread to say that there are no run first NFL teams anymore, so this is all relative.
That I agree with. There are no true run first teams anymore.

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I saw that as well and don't understand the stats there.
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Bland answer would be exactly what it was. Fact is the Texans led the league in passing with a prolific play action passing game in which if memory serves Schaub put up 4770 yds while having the 30th ranked rushing O. Schaub gets away with it because despite being a sloth he sells the play fake as well as anyone and sells every play. Watch how many QBs actually bother to bootleg out after handing the ball off - it is very few.
Understood and agree.

The Texans are neither a "pass first" nor a "run first" team. I think there is an inherent logic flaw for fans to demand that they be either/or. This offense is about balance and different aspects complement each other.
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Forgot about Brady, but he did have 23 carries and 4 TDs last year. My main point is I am not interested in factoring in QB rushes to determine how much of a running team one is. Some may be, and that's cool, but I don't consider it a valid comparison. The Texans are one of the heaviest run oriented teams in the NFL. That said, I posted early in the thread to say that there are no run first NFL teams anymore, so this is all relative.

EDIT - just for the sake of completion, I looked at Schaub. He had 21 carries last year. Who knew? The result was a grand total of -9 yards and zero TDs, so I'm not sure he was running. I think when Carr "ran" like that, they counted them as sacks.
They count kneel downs as rushing attempts in the stats.
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EDIT - just for the sake of completion, I looked at Schaub. He had 21 carries last year. Who knew? The result was a grand total of -9 yards and zero TDs, so I'm not sure he was running. I think when Carr "ran" like that, they counted them as sacks.
When the QB takes a knee to end the half or the game, those are rushing attempts per the stat masters.
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The Texans pass the ball to get ahead and run the ball to kill the clock/put the game away.
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I was planning on taking a look at that and never got around to it.
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I'm not a fire Bum Phillips after six years and three consecutive trips to the playoffs kinda guy.
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I'm a stability kinda guy, a Tom Landry, Chuck Noll kinda guy who believes that as long as the coach can stay relevant and produce a winning team, you keep him.

I'm not a fire Bum Phillips after six years and three consecutive trips to the playoffs kinda guy.
This is where we differ, I want a HC that has the abilty to win a Lombardi. If a HC hasn't won a SB in a decade, when the avg HC lifespan is 4-5 yrs odds of that HC ever winning a SB are slim. It would be time to change HC. IMHO

Gary is considered to be a QB guru, the QB's has won championships with are Montana/Young and Elway. Walsh developed Montana, Walsh/Shanahan developed Young and Shanahan developed Elway. In todays game Shanny is in the procees of Developing RG3. Who has Gary developed?

BTW, the Bum vs Landry/Noll etc, how many championships did Bum win? Blasphemy? LOL

I get what you are saying, you like a comfort factor in your HC's. I'm a risk taker who's only goal is to win and by win I mean win it all. These are 2 distinctively different personality types. BoB appears to have your type of personality and that is all that really matters.

I want you to know that I respect your position on this subject, but after almost a decade you should know what you've got in Gary and it's almost time to move on. He's got 2 more yrs to get it done or he's gone if I were BoB, depending on how he does this yr.
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The Texans pass the ball to get ahead and run the ball to kill the clock/put the game away.
Seems fairly obvious, yet we're on page 2 of this thread, and IIRC there was a 10+ page thread last summer on the same subject.
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