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Old 08-24-2014   #381
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They migrated to Texas in 1840, so during nationhood. They missed the war by 4 years. They came from Overton County, TN.

They were not in Texas for the War of Independence however many of them were horse soldiers with the Williamson County Grays during the Civil War. I also have a great great uncle that was a Colonel in the 5th Texas. He is on the Texas Gettysburg Monument at the Round Tops.

As I mentioned in the post above, it's why I grew up such a big Civil War buff. I always hated the fact that Texas in general today has really distanced itself from that war mainly due to PC stuff. The Texas Brigade had a lot of heroic moments during that war. They were Lee's favorite brigade. He called them the "Son's of the Alamo" and always bragged how the Texans would never run.

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Very cool. Love your knowledge of the details of the Texas Civil War units. Lee sure did appreciate them.

Thanks for clarifying even if the question wasn't directed to you. My family got here about 10 years prior to yours.

Lots of native Texans out there. In HS a teacher explored how fat back families went. There were only 2 of us with families past grandparents here. Kind of gives more meaning to the native part. (Which is not to take away from any Texan. We all got here as soon as we could. )
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Very cool. Love your knowledge of the details of the Texas Civil War units. Lee sure did appreciate them.

Thanks for clarifying even if the question wasn't directed to you. My family got here about 10 years prior to yours.

Lots of native Texans out there. In HS a teacher explored how fat back families went. There were only 2 of us with families past grandparents here. Kind of gives more meaning to the native part. (Which is not to take away from any Texan. We all got here as soon as we could. )
not sure when my family came to US or Texas but we sure ate plenty of fatback but we called it salt pork.
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not sure when my family came to US or Texas but we sure ate plenty of fatback but we called it salt pork.
Lol. Love posting from my patio with my phone but it does result in more errors.
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Lol. Love posting from my patio with my phone but it does result in more errors.
I think unintentional posting errors are often more interesting and at least more humorous. 23000 and here we go onward...
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I asked about Texas not the US but ok. Part of that question was I knew Hookem and I (and I believe double barrel) have ties back that far actually pre-republic.

What's with the quotation mark immigrants?
Just a way to distinguish the immigrants to America from the native born ancestors. I admit using the quotation marks is a bit redundant, but I included them for emphasis, not to insert uncertainty.

I actually have a recollection of an ancestor in Orange (Madisonville at the time) in 1840, but I cannot find the documentation. It is possible that my ancestors arrived earlier, but a marriage license dated January 1840 is the oldest DOCUMENTED evidence I have. My relatives were early settlers of Rusk County and unfortunately heavily involved in one of the worst disasters in state history, the New London School explosion of 1937. I have inherited part of the old family farm about 2 miles east of the school.
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I asked about Texas not the US but ok. Part of that question was I knew Hookem and I (and I believe double barrel) have ties back that far actually pre-republic.
yep. I've got relatives that fought at both the Alamo and San Jacinto. Their names are memorialized at both sites.

My direct lineage is all over the place, as my kin on my father's side appeared to constantly be moving for a few generations. My dad researched and found a great grandfather had arrived in Virginia before the Revolutionary War, and he ended up fighting in the war for the state militia. He missed being massacred by the British when he mustered out of his unit a month before the attack.
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yep. I've got relatives that fought at both the Alamo and San Jacinto. Their names are memorialized at both sites.

My direct lineage is all over the place, as my kin on my father's side appeared to constantly be moving for a few generations. My dad researched and found a great grandfather had arrived in Virginia before the Revolutionary War, and he ended up fighting in the war for the state militia. He missed being massacred by the British when he mustered out of his unit a month before the attack.
My family came to Tejas in 1832, several fought in San Jacinto. Grandfather fought with Sam Houston under Andrew Jackson in TN. Fours sons at San Jacinto, also memoralized and all have gravestones from State of Texas. Also had a Grandfather who was a Texas Ranger. Sons were first settlers in Lavaca, Caldwell, Hays, Guadalupe and Frio counties. First settlers in Wimberly, built a mill that made all the furniture for first state capitol. I have an Uncle who gave a first hand account of Battle of San Jacinto and the capture of Santa Anna. I'm a 7th Gen Texan (Texian). There are now 10 generations of Texans in Family. Family roots trace back to St James River 1607.

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I'm not offended and my great, great, great, great (maybe another great) grandfather was a Comanche Chief, one of the last...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quanah_Parker


So on behalf of the Comanche Nation....it's cool...
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Even BEFORE I knew one of my great grandmothers (on my mom's side) was of the Atakapa (Ishak)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atakapa I was with Yvette on this one.
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logo of an insurance company....how is this honoring Native Americans? IIRC there was nothing "Mutual" with the Anglo and Native Americans....
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So on behalf of the Comanche Nation....it's cool...
No it isn't. The Comanche Nation is on record as to that fact. Further, if you had any cultural roots with the tribe, you'd know better than to speak for them (me) without permission from tribal elders.
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Whenever I see this I think of Marlon Perkins sending Jim Fowler to be eaten by crocs and tigers.
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No it isn't. The Comanche Nation is on record as to that fact. Further, if you had any cultural roots with the tribe, you'd know better than to speak for them (me) without permission from tribal elders.
pssst yeah right, you are not Comanche....

So self respecting Comanche would EVER be a Tack fan....

nice try...


Oh and I asked the elders, they said it's cool....
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Bull, I'm inviting you to join me at the Comanche Nation Fair in September. I'd like to introduce you to the Tribal Chairman (my cousin) and the Elders group, so they can introduce you to your heritage and culture
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I hope he can make it and call them 'redskins' to their faces. Y'know, since he apparently believes that it's not disparaging and it's cool and all.
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It's sad that people are more worried about the name of a football than the living conditions on some of the reservations. It looks like Native American and everyone else would be more worried about the high alcoholism rates, high drop out rates, & high teen pregnancy rates among Native Americans on reservations. My great grandmother on my dad's side is Blackfoot and my great grandmother on my mother's side is Cherokee and French and I don't recall either of them have a problem with the Washington Redskins' name while they where alive. My grandfather that is half Blackfoot and my grandmother that part Cherokee didn't have a problem with it either. To me the Cleveland Indians mascot and Atalanta Braves mascot or more offensive than the Redskins name, or what about the state name Oklahoma. Oklahoma is based on Choctaw Indian words which translate as red people (okla meaning "people" and humma meaning "red"). Isn't that basically the same thing as redskin? Where's the outrage over that? I can't recall ever hearing anyone use redskin a derogatory term either.
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It's sad that people are more worried about the name of a football than the living conditions on some of the reservations.
Natives have always been concerned about those living conditions but no one cares enough to listen, who can do anything about it.
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would love to, where?
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I hope he can make it and call them 'redskins' to their faces. Y'know, since he apparently believes that it's not disparaging and it's cool and all.
I don't think it's disparaging...I think there are far more things that happen on reservations that are more disparaging than a name....


but maybe the fair will change my mind. I always want to learn more...
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