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Old 06-27-2013   #61
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aww I gave up dis guy he prob wont even make the team we are pretty stacked now in terms of WR
We are stacked with question marks that could go either way.
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On local Fox network last night June 27th, Kubiak stated Jean and Martin were among players the most improved over last season. Man, I like Lestar's size & speed if he could just develop into an everyday player our WRs corps could be great.
This is one of the things I've mentioned.

If these two step up, if all the other weapons remain healthy, if the Texans get a 2-score lead early, and if the D plays as well as they did with Cushing, Hopkins may not see as much target as many of the posters here hope for.
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Agreed.

Jean has flashed playmaker ability but like Kubes says, he needs to show consistency. If he can, I agree, look out! This WR corps could be exciting!
the majority of his snaps were rushing plays, its not like he had so many chances to shine. If they would of given him one full game as the #2 WR we could have a better idea, but K.W so was so "good" last season i can see why they didnt haha.
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the majority of his snaps were rushing plays, its not like he had so many chances to shine. If they would of given him one full game as the #2 WR we could have a better idea, but K.W so was so "good" last season i can see why they didnt haha.
My concern is the targets he did get and did not catch.
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My concern is the targets he did get and did not catch.
I don't remember any except maybe one or two dropped balls. If you're talking about mis-thrown balls in his direction, which also could have been badly run routes, maybe there's more, but I just don't remember a lot of missed opportunities with LJ. I think he was under-utilized. Is that his fault? Maybe.
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I don't remember any except maybe one or two dropped balls. If you're talking about mis-thrown balls in his direction, which also could have been badly run routes, maybe there's more, but I just don't remember a lot of missed opportunities with LJ. I think he was under-utilized. Is that his fault? Maybe.
Yeah same here, i remeber the one TD that he had in the endzone until he hit the ground, so it was a no TD, but other than that i dont remember any if any drops. I like his potential and like what i see when he is in there, its just he isnt in there very much and when he is it is usually as a blocker. Give him a full gave as the #2 and i think we would hear a different tune.
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Lestar Jean caught two passes for 31 yards in Monday night's Week 14 loss to the Patriots.
Jean was targeted five times on the night and seems to have bypassed struggling rookie Keshawn Martin as the team's No. 3 receiver. Jean possesses good size and runs like the wind, but he has unreliable hands. It showed on the opening drive, as he dropped his first target down the right sideline. Jean has six catches on the season.

2 for 5? One game only I know & he looked good on the 54 yard TD in week 13 but he really needs to excel. If he caught pretty much everything thrown at him as indicated above, why was he not targeted more?


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The Houston Texans want to have more reliable targets outside of WR Andre Johnson in the receiving game. Last season, WR Lestar Jean hauled in 50 percent of his targets for catches, while WR DeVier Posey (Achilles') racked up catches on 43 percent of his targets. WR Keshawn Martin managed to catch just 36 percent of his targets.



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Lestar Jean caught two passes for 31 yards in Monday night's Week 14 loss to the Patriots.
Jean was targeted five times on the night and seems to have bypassed struggling rookie Keshawn Martin as the team's No. 3 receiver. Jean possesses good size and runs like the wind, but he has unreliable hands. It showed on the opening drive, as he dropped his first target down the right sideline. Jean has six catches on the season.
2 for 5? One game only I know & he looked good on the 54 yard TD in week 13 but he really needs to excel. If he caught pretty much everything thrown at him as indicated above, why was he not targeted more?


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The Houston Texans want to have more reliable targets outside of WR Andre Johnson in the receiving game. Last season, WR Lestar Jean hauled in 50 percent of his targets for catches, while WR DeVier Posey (Achilles') racked up catches on 43 percent of his targets. WR Keshawn Martin managed to catch just 36 percent of his targets.


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We are stacked with question marks that could go either way.
Agree. Not just at WR either.
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Well we all know Schaub is a world class QB and i imagine all his throws are just perfect haha. AJ is a beast and even made Carr look good half the time, and we all know the type of QB he was. My point is just cause you are "targeted" doesnt mean it was actually a good throw. I think that word doenst tell the whole story.

For instance Calvin Johnson was "targeted 413 times, only 258 of which were catchable.

And when he does make a play it is usually a big one. His AVG was 25.2 yds per reception.
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Well we all know Schaub is a world class QB and i imagine all his throws are just perfect haha. AJ is a beast and even made Carr look good half the time, and we all know the type of QB he was. My point is just cause you are "targeted" doesnt mean it was actually a good throw. I think that word doenst tell the whole story.

For instance Calvin Johnson was "targeted 413 times, only 258 of which were catchable.
And when he does make a play it is usually a big one. His AVG was 25.2 yds per reception.
I'm of the opinion that "catchable" is a pretty subjective stat to throw out there. By that I mean that out of a group of 10 judges, there could be 10 different opinions on if a ball was catchable and why or why it wasn't catchable. It can be very biased as to the opinion of the judge on the QB and receiver. Kinda reminds me of how official scorers judge an error in baseball.

I do agree that "targets" and catches don't tell the whole story, though. I'm not sure of the best way to judge it, though.
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We agree on targets but 50%? We are not talking about throws thrown 10 feet out of reach that he should have "caught". One of the reasons AJ had such a heavy load is he was only one Matt could trust.
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This is one of the things I've mentioned.
If these two step up, if all the other weapons remain healthy, if the Texans get a 2-score lead early, and if the D plays as well as they did with Cushing, Hopkins may not see as much target as many of the posters here hope for.
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I'm of the opinion that "catchable" is a pretty subjective stat to throw out there. By that I mean that out of a group of 10 judges, there could be 10 different opinions on if a ball was catchable and why or why it wasn't catchable. It can be very biased as to the opinion of the judge on the QB and receiver. Kinda reminds me of how official scorers judge an error in baseball.

I do agree that "targets" and catches don't tell the whole story, though. I'm not sure of the best way to judge it, though.
Percentage of targets caught and percentage of drops is probably the best way, but even then you have to account for offensive style. A team that goes deep more frequently is going to have a lower percentage of catches (not necessarily drops) than a team that uses short crossing patterns and the like.
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Show me a projection for the future that doesn't rely of 'if'?? Really odd point to make.
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Show me a projection for the future that doesn't rely of 'if'?? Really odd point to make.

If you make projections by using multiple 'if's' then your projection isn't a projection. It's a shot in the dark.

Wth are you talking about? I didn't point out a statement that had one 'if' in it...
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I'm of the opinion that "catchable" is a pretty subjective stat to throw out there. By that I mean that out of a group of 10 judges, there could be 10 different opinions on if a ball was catchable and why or why it wasn't catchable. It can be very biased as to the opinion of the judge on the QB and receiver. Kinda reminds me of how official scorers judge an error in baseball.

I do agree that "targets" and catches don't tell the whole story, though. I'm not sure of the best way to judge it, though.
There is no way to judge it, It is really all in the opinion of whoever does these stats i guess.
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There is no way to judge it, It is really all in the opinion of whoever does these stats i guess.
Not really particularly to you but you can try to carve a stat toothpick but at some point it becomes obvious. Our rookie WR's last year caught 41.5% of balls thrown to them. Same QB as everyone else on the team, same system. Look around the league and that is pathetic no matter the system. Small dead hands Jacoby Jones in a downfield role reeled in 55% of targets. Stop this backwards ass way of trying to blame Schaub. Our rookies underperformed. Let's hope they step up this year. They certainly have room to do so.
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