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Old 06-11-2013   #381
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At the time, I'm sure that was true. No Ben Jones, someone has to play RG. Reporters are going to ask stupid questions, he answers the most economic way possible.

We'll see who the starting RG is come week one.

PreSeason may not tell us a lot either. Remember before 2010, Wade Smith played with the second group as much as the first. We didn't know he was our starting LG until Game 1.
TK, I think you are waaaaay off base.

Brooks is the starting RG. He'll be the starting RG.
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I didn't try to find the quote but Kubiak said during OTAs that Brandon Brooks was the starting RG. When did that change? I haven't heard nor read about it.
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But on Thursday, head coach Gary Kubiak confirmed that Brooks is the team's starting right guard, at least for now.

“He’s right there. That’s his," Kubiak said. "He’s got to line up every day and earn it. I think he worked through it last year and at the end of last year I think he was playing that way so I think he’s earned the opportunity to be that guy, so we’ll see if he can hang on.”


“It’s been really good. The biggest thing is any time you’ve got a young player and you say, OK, you’re a starter.’ The best thing you can have happen is that you don’t really notice him. And that’s kind of what’s happened," Kubiak said. "He went in there, he’s done his job. He understands what we’re doing now. He’s got the tools of a big-time player. So it will all just be up to him. He’s come a long way. I think he’s very comfortable in his own skin right now in what he’s doing and feeling good about himself.”
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We started last season with Caldwell at RG & Butler at RT. When they both got hurt, our depth suddenly dissipated. Ben Jones surprised everyone & started early. However, like all young players struggled to maintain focus & perform at his best down after down, series after series.

The rotation had nothing to do with not being able to decide on who he wanted his RG or RT to be. It was about maintaining a level of consistency of play.

To me, it doesn't make sense to "waste" a year (2012) on getting one player ready. We know there's going to be a drop off when we bring a new player into the line, unless we get a blue chip player, which isn't going to happen [for one, we'll never select in the top 10 again, :fingers crossed:] then waste another (2013) year to bring someone in at LG. Get them both up to speed in 2012 & kick some doors in in 2013.

I think Ben Jones will be our RG, he did a good job at that position for a rookie. Brandon Brooks will be our LG.
Honestly, I don't agree with one thing you stated here. Caldwell and Jones were both getting time at RG before Caldwell's injury. Butler lost the RT job to Newton before Butler's injury. Harris was then signed and the rotation began shortly thereafter. I like Jones as our future center, but he was very bad while at RG so I'm not sure what you're watching.
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Honestly, I don't agree with one thing you stated here. Caldwell and Jones were both getting time at RG before Caldwell's injury. Butler lost the RT job to Newton before Butler's injury. Harris was then signed and the rotation began shortly thereafter. I like Jones as our future center, but he was very bad while at RG so I'm not sure what you're watching.
I don't know if TK remembers, but that whole right side was up for competition all rhrough camp and pre season.

It had looked like Newton beat Butler out towards the end of pre season. I believe Butler got hurt playing with the back ups and guys that weren't going to make the team.

I don't ever remember guys being entrenched over there last season.
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I don't know if TK remembers, but that whole right side was up for competition all rhrough camp and pre season.

It had looked like Newton beat Butler out towards the end of pre season. I believe Butler got hurt playing with the back ups and guys that weren't going to make the team.

I don't ever remember guys being entrenched over there last season.
Yeah just like you and HOU stated. Butler got injured in the final preseason game but Newton was named the starter after the third game. It added up to being one horrible week for Butler. First you lose the starting job then you get injured.

Jones began splitting with Caldwell in week 2 after Kubiak stated he was not happy with the running production against the Dolphins in game 1.
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I don't know if TK remembers, but that whole right side was up for competition all rhrough camp and pre season.

It had looked like Newton beat Butler out towards the end of pre season. I believe Butler got hurt playing with the back ups and guys that weren't going to make the team.

I don't ever remember guys being entrenched over there last season.
Newton was named the starter after the 3rd preseason game. A week before Butler's torn tricep. But you're right, they were never really entrenched because they didn't play worth a crap. Hence the rotation.

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Not sure what you're talking about - I'm pretty certain Ben Jones fully participated in all OTA's
I'm pretty sure he's playing center with the second team.
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At the time, I'm sure that was true. No Ben Jones, someone has to play RG. Reporters are going to ask stupid questions, he answers the most economic way possible.

We'll see who the starting RG is come week one.

PreSeason may not tell us a lot either. Remember before 2010, Wade Smith played with the second group as much as the first. We didn't know he was our starting LG until Game 1.
As Kubiak has discussed in quotes, Brandon Brooks working as starting RG throughout OTAs. Wade Smith on other side.

With vets being out today because they aren't doing on the field time during minicamp, Kubiak said nice things about Quessenberry after I asked a question about him. He is working at RT.

He said Brennan Williams had a knee clean out thing (non-specified but we knew that) and isn't expected before training camp. Really wants him to work on his conditioning.
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I'm pretty sure he's playing center with the second team.
Because that's what they do in OTA's with the player they intend to be starting RG?
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Because that's what they do in OTA's with the player they intend to be starting RG?
Why not, you've got your starting OLB playing Mo.......
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I'm pretty sure he's playing center with the second team.
Jones was the scout team center much of last season ... also I was told that he played some center in the OTA's when the veterans were rested.
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Why not, you've got your starting OLB playing Mo.......
Because of injuries/guys missing...

And also the fact that he could end up actually starting there. And they can afford to do that because he's gotten a lot of experience at OLB and they feel like if he has to go back there, he won't miss a beat.

The situation is completely different.
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As Kubiak has discussed in quotes, Brandon Brooks working as starting RG throughout OTAs. Wade Smith on other side.

With vets being out today because they aren't doing on the field time during minicamp, Kubiak said nice things about Quessenberry after I asked a question about him. He is working at RT.

He said Brennan Williams had a knee clean out thing (non-specified but we knew that) and isn't expected before training camp. Really wants him to work on his conditioning.
So the knee tweak that didn't need surgery ended up needing surgery?
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So the knee tweak that didn't need surgery ended up needing surgery?
Williams mentioned the clean out stuff last week. Kubiak confirmed today but was totally non-specific because he didn't know specifics.
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Williams mentioned the clean out stuff last week. Kubiak confirmed today but was totally non-specific because he didn't know specifics.
sigh....this kind of stuff gets old. It's almost like Kubes is trying to be a baby Belichik. Just report what there is to report, especially at this time of year.
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So the knee tweak that didn't need surgery ended up needing surgery?
Remember, following the evaluation of Williams, Kubiak reported that his "injury which will not require surgery" and I posted that was skeptical of the extent of the injury, especially after he did not return quickly for OTAs? Logic and experience has primed me to anticipate situations just like this. My injury posts may appear cynical to some, but they are based on available facts and what the natural progression and realistic prognosis of the apparent injuries are most likely to be.........with a tincture of repeated "minor injuries, " minor surgeries," and "ahead of schedule" dancing in the back of my head.........at the same time trying to avoid the fool's paradise that I may want to experience as a fan.
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Default Re: Texans OTAs thread (5/20-21, 23, 28-30, 6/3-6).

When a player earns all-conference honors from coaches in a league as talented as the ACC despite missing half of the season, it is pretty fair indication that NFL scouts should be paying attention.

That is precisely the scenario with UNC's Williams, who missed the final four games of his senior season with a torn labrum which required surgery but still managed to earn honorable mention accolades from league coaches.

Williams became a full-time starter last season as a junior in Chapel Hill and started the first eight games of the 2012 campaign. He finished his collegiate career with 22 career starts, all coming at right tackle.

Williams' father, Brent, had an 11-year NFL career (1986-1993) at defensive end, spending time with the New England Patriots, Seattle Seahawks and New York Jets. Normally the recovery time from labrum surgery is anywhere from two-to-six months depending on the severity of the tear, which could potentially keep Williams out of some pre-draft workouts.

Blessed with great size and athleticism, Williams' injury may keep him from garnering the attention of other talented offensive tackles in the 2013 draft class from media but rest assured that NFL scouts know his name well and will be keeping close tabs on his recovery.
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I want to see Williams play. In college he was an amazing run blocker that looked to absolutely destroy opponents. Dude is nasty on the field.
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Remember, following the evaluation of Williams, Kubiak reported that his "injury which will not require surgery" and I posted that was skeptical of the extent of the injury, especially after he did not return quickly for OTAs? Logic and experience has primed me to anticipate situations just like this. My injury posts may appear cynical to some, but they are based on available facts and what the natural progression and realistic prognosis of the apparent injuries are most likely to be.........with a tincture of repeated "minor injuries, " minor surgeries," and "ahead of schedule" dancing in the back of my head.........at the same time trying to avoid the fool's paradise that I may want to experience as a fan.
You just need to keep posting what you post, Dr. You're excellent at it and an absolute boon to Texans fans. If there was a "Most Important Fan" category, you'd be the perennial winner.

As a veteran of many surgeries, I definitely defer to the "only minor surgery is one you don't have" school of thought. I'm 43 and almost a cripple on some days.

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... My injury posts may appear cynical to some, but they are based on available facts and what the natural progression and realistic prognosis of the apparent injuries are most likely to be.........with a tincture of repeated "minor injuries, " minor surgeries," and "ahead of schedule" dancing in the back of my head.........at the same time trying to avoid the fool's paradise that I may want to experience as a fan.
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