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A guy that is a lot cheaper, probably... and faster. His replacement doesn't have to match his productivity. The Texans are reallocating resources on offense and attempting to design a more flexible offense, instead of being limited by a lack of depth, speed, quickness at the skill positions.
How about O'Brien increase offensive flexibility with a GD better QB??
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And a slot receiver that can catch the ball would be nice
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O'Brien really is trying to be Bill B. Anybody remember how Bill B went to Cleveland and cut all their good players? Then he went to the Patriots and immediately cut Lawyer Milloy?
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AJ was a year younger last year, Hopkins was less proven, and the dead money was steeper. Nothing looked indecisive. OBrien was very clear that he wanted AJ with the team last year during his holdout. This off-season, he delivered an equally clear message- that AJ isn't at the center of their plans for 2015 and 2016. Indecisive is the last word I would use to describe OBrien.
Your admiration for sitting Texans head coaches is well known. Just about any negative word about O'Brien would be the last you would use. Frankly, that makes me view your takes on O'Brien with a grain of salt - they can come across more like hero worship than reasoned arguments. That's why I generally avoid engaging you in discussion anymore; you quoted me though so here I am.

For the record I think O'Brien has done a good job so far. There are only three things I question him on:

1) Sticking with Fitzpatrick too long last year, leading to...

2) ...possibly relying too much on an unproven Mallett this season. I say possibly because free agency and the draft have yet to play out.

3) Creating another hole in the roster by letting Andre go for some salary cap relief, resulting in a situation that will probably end up using more resources to resolve in the end.

Other than that, I think he's done very well. Best case scenario is that this decision doesn't end up hurting the Texans growth next year. I think it is more likely it does hold them back - using resources to replace Andre's production seems a waste with so many other holes in the lineup.
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Other than that, I think he's done very well. Best case scenario is that this decision doesn't end up hurting the Texans growth next year. I think it is more likely it does hold them back - using resources to replace Andre's production seems a waste with so many other holes in the lineup.
Growth... I'm not looking forward to what that's going to look like next season. I get the feeling OB's going to be in "build" mode & not "win" mode, meaning McNair sold us a bill of goods.



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Your admiration for sitting Texans head coaches is well known. Just about any negative word about O'Brien would be the last you would use. Frankly, that makes me view your takes on O'Brien with a grain of salt - they can come across more like hero worship than reasoned arguments. That's why I generally avoid engaging you in discussion anymore; you quoted me though so here I am.

For the record I think O'Brien has done a good job so far. There are only three things I question him on:

1) Sticking with Fitzpatrick too long last year, leading to...

2) ...possibly relying too much on an unproven Mallett this season. I say possibly because free agency and the draft have yet to play out.

3) Creating another hole in the roster by letting Andre go for some salary cap relief, resulting in a situation that will probably end up using more resources to resolve in the end.

Other than that, I think he's done very well. Best case scenario is that this decision doesn't end up hurting the Texans growth next year. I think it is more likely it does hold them back - using resources to replace Andre's production seems a waste with so many other holes in the lineup.
I was never a Capers fan.
I liked Kubiak and rooted for him.
I respect OBrien and believe he is a great coach... I never said that about the other two.

I predict the Texans offense will score more points and have more passing yards
Than they did in 2014... I don't expect one player to replace AJs production. I expect the TEs will catch more passes, WR3 and WR4 will have larger roles, and AJs replacement will have a much better yards per catch than 11.
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I was never a Capers fan.
I liked Kubiak and rooted for him.
I respect OBrien and believe he is a great coach... I never said that about the other two.

I predict the Texans offense will score more points and have more passing yards
Than they did in 2014... I don't expect one player to replace AJs production. I expect the TEs will catch more passes, WR3 and WR4 will have larger roles, and AJs replacement will have a much better yards per catch than 11.
lol. you're completely downplaying your Kubiak worship. I guess that's easy to do in hindsight, since you were 100% wrong about him.

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...and AJs replacement will have a much better yards per catch than 11.
I bet Andre will avg more than 11 ypc in 2015 as well.
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Over under on TDs?
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Well we all saw what AJ did with Case at QB, and even how much better he looked with Mallet at QB. With a good QB he will be a 1300+ 10TD+ WR easily IMO. He may not have the downfield speed he used to have but he hasn't lost anything else. And he still has a damn good double move which was rarely used last season.
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Well we all saw what AJ did with Case at QB, and even how much better he looked with Mallet at QB. With a good QB he will be a 1300+ 10TD+ WR easily IMO. He may not have the downfield speed he used to have but he hasn't lost anything else. And he still has a damn good double move which was rarely used last season.
Yup. AJ is still better than 90% of the WR's out there. Hell he is still the best receiver we have/had. I don't know what the fudge O'Brien was thinking.
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Well we all saw what AJ did with Case at QB, and even how much better he looked with Mallet at QB. With a good QB he will be a 1300+ 10TD+ WR easily IMO. He may not have the downfield speed he used to have but he hasn't lost anything else. And he still has a damn good double move which was rarely used last season.
I'm not sure what team would bring him in at a #1 in terms of targets, so expecting that he would still get the 165 targets a season average that was getting him 100/1300 seasons. I expect that he will be a #2 and will get in that 120-130 target range that will probably result in something around 85/1100, which puts him at 13 YPC. I would take that any day of the week and twice in Sunday.

But 1300 yards? 10 TD's? That is a lot of targets. What team is going to give him that many targets? Look at the Colts, which is for some reason where so many on this board want him to go. TY Hilton had 1350 yards for the Colts last season but was only targeted 130 times, leading the team. He got the yardage because he was a burner and averaged 16.4 YPC.

New England? Their leading receiver in receptions, targets AND YPC was a TE. Both of their starting WR's had 2014 AJ type of numbers. And that was by design. I can't see AJ going into that situation and being targeted 150+ times.

Denver? Didn't they just put the franchise tag on Thomas? Is Sanders leaving? Both put up seasons last year that rivaled AJ's in his prime.

Seattle? Two words: Russell Wilson

I can definitely envision him going somewhere with a much better chance to win a Super Bowl now as compared to the Texans, but I'm not seeing where he can do that AND be in a position to post 100/1300/10 type of numbers. I can see where he can go in as a solid #2 and put up a very valuable 85/1100 type numbers. I'll have to dig up the numbers from a post I made much earlier in this thread, but many of his peers on the all-time list had 85/1100 seasons at the age of 34. No shame in those numbers at all.
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I'm not sure what team would bring him in at a #1 in terms of targets, so expecting that he would still get the 165 targets a season average that was getting him 100/1300 seasons. I expect that he will be a #2 and will get in that 120-130 target range that will probably result in something around 85/1100, which puts him at 13 YPC. I would take that any day of the week and twice in Sunday.

But 1300 yards? 10 TD's? That is a lot of targets. What team is going to give him that many targets? Look at the Colts, which is for some reason where so many on this board want him to go. TY Hilton had 1350 yards for the Colts last season but was only targeted 130 times, leading the team. He got the yardage because he was a burner and averaged 16.4 YPC.

New England? Their leading receiver in receptions, targets AND YPC was a TE. Both of their starting WR's had 2014 AJ type of numbers. And that was by design. I can't see AJ going into that situation and being targeted 150+ times.

Denver? Didn't they just put the franchise tag on Thomas? Is Sanders leaving? Both put up seasons last year that rivaled AJ's in his prime.

Seattle? Two words: Russell Wilson

I can definitely envision him going somewhere with a much better chance to win a Super Bowl now as compared to the Texans, but I'm not seeing where he can do that AND be in a position to post 100/1300/10 type of numbers. I can see where he can go in as a solid #2 and put up a very valuable 85/1100 type numbers. I'll have to dig up the numbers from a post I made much earlier in this thread, but many of his peers on the all-time list had 85/1100 seasons at the age of 34. No shame in those numbers at all.
My whole assumption is that there are many teams with elite QBs in need of a solid WR. AJ can still get open, don't be fooled by thinking he has declined so much from his 1400 yard season. Fitz just often didn't look his way last season. 10+TDs is not out of reach with some of these gun slingers.
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My whole assumption is that there are many teams with elite QBs in need of a solid WR. AJ can still get open, don't be fooled by thinking he has declined so much from his 1400 yard season. Fitz just often didn't look his way last season. 10+TDs is not out of reach with some of these gun slingers.
Agree that he can still get open. Agree that he is still a solid WR. He is strong enough to fight for the ball and is a clutch receiver. I don't hold to the notion that this past season is what he is moving forward, but I am also realistic to not hold to the notion that he is going to put up a 100/1300/10 season if his goal is to play for a legitimate contender. What I think is that with a good QB his yardage will go up from the 925 he had this past season, but that he would still be in the 85-90 range on receptions.
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Agree that he can still get open. Agree that he is still a solid WR. He is strong enough to fight for the ball and is a clutch receiver. I don't hold to the notion that this past season is what he is moving forward, but I am also realistic to not hold to the notion that he is going to put up a 100/1300/10 season if his goal is to play for a legitimate contender. What I think is that with a good QB his yardage will go up from the 925 he had this past season, but that he would still be in the 85-90 range on receptions.
Which fine with that, AJ just doesn't view himself as a 40 catch a season guy, and i agree with him. This dude can break top 5 in a lot of NFL WR all time categories, why would he want to limit the last few good years of his career.
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Which fine with that, AJ just doesn't view himself as a 40 catch a season guy, and i agree with him. This dude can break top 5 in a lot of NFL WR all time categories, why would he want to limit the last few good years of his career.
I think we all agree - including everyone from McNair to the waterboy - that no one views AJ as a 40 catch a season guy. That phrase, and the various and sundry interpretations and suppositions as to the context in which it was used, are simply the left hand distracting us while the right hand is counting the coins in the piggy bank.
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