Kubiak and Schaub couldn't be any more safer... and it's absolutely disgusting

[eriadoc]

Originally Posted by Fiddler

The word I've been using lately is pedigree. I don't think Kubiak has the pedigree on offense we need to get to that next level.

I know that. We all do. In light of that, I think Kubiak should get some credit for what he's been able to do with what he has. I've been saying for years, that Kubiak has been making lemonade with lemons. I still believe that.

No. No. Hell no! Hell f&^% NO! Kubiak has built this team. Only one player exists from the pre-Kubiak days. This is Kubiak's baby. You say he's been forced to take less skilled players because the first rounders have gone to defense? Well, for starters, Kubiak is the one who resisted firing Richard Smith. Kubiak is the one who hired Frank Bush. Kubiak is the one who resisted firing Frank Bush. Kubiak is the one who was told, not asked, that Wade Phillips was going to be the new DC. So the defensive woes are all on Kubiak. He's been the head coah for SEVEN YEARS. This is HIS team. He built it, he assembled it, he screened who made the team, he hired the coaches (except Wade), he coached the players, he made the game plans, he made the game calls, and he is the one that turtles up when there's risk.

Kubiak's job is to build a Super Bowl team and win the Super Bowl. It takes time, and some coaches never get there; I get that. But if he's making the decision that it's OK to draft Brandon Harris in the 2nd round instead of an offensive player that can make an impact, that's on him. If he's making the decision to pass up WRs that are out there helping other teams right now in order to take a guy in the 3rd round that didn't even play football last year, that's on him. If he's saying it's OK to take a 3rd round CB that never ends up playing meaningful time for the team instead of taking an offensive contributor, that's on him.

THIS IS KUBIAK'S LEMONADE. He controls the recipe.

[Hervoyel]

Originally Posted by EllisUnit

Dude we have run that same play like 4 or 5 times a game since then. Haven't seen noome complain about lack of running it. Hell we ran it 3 times to AJ and once to OD yesterday.

Ignore the noises coming from the box. It quiets down after a while when you do that.

[DX-TEX]

Originally Posted by EllisUnit

What did he have to say to the fans ?

"I am Vigo! The fans are like the buzzing of flies!"

[Porky]

Originally Posted by EllisUnit

What did he have to say to the fans ?

It was really snarky and off-putting. Does anyone have tape of this or saw it and can provide a better recap because I was like half asleep but it got my attention, and even Bob and Spencer made a comment about it afterwards.

[BullNation4Life]

This whole thing starts with the top and trickles down. Bob McNair should have had the stones to fire Kubiak when he went 6-10. McNair so desperately wants this Hometown boy taking the Hometown team to the Super Bowl story, it is almost sickening. McNair is a business man, not a football man thus, we get what we get.

Rick Smith and the mismanagement of the salary cap is inexcusable. You had to let the whole right side of your offensive line go, then expect to find in a year what took about 3-4 to gel together. That is ego. Speaking of ego...

Gary Kubiak is the most egotistic, stubborn coach I have ever seen. It's his way or the highway, and his way tends to lose allot of game. You can't run the ball because, A: you offensive line on the right side sucks, B: everybody and their mother knows where you are running. His offense has become so predictable it is sad. He keeps totting out the same players each year, knowing they need fire power on offense. Sticks with Walter at #2 and Casey at FB is just hard headed at the least. He won't set up the run with the pass, alah Peyton Manning and Tom Brady, and he lives and dies by the run. Yes I know his whole offense is based on the running game, but times, they are a changin' and almost everybody is now going to a 3-4 defense, which is a very good run stopping defense. Until he sees the light, and he won't I assure you, get use to 3 and outs and drives stalling in the red zone...

"Fools Gold" Phillips doesn't get off the hook either. It is know through the league that Wade Phillips installs his defense year 1 and it is awesome to see, however every year after, his defenses go backwards. Happens pretty much everywhere he has gone. He too keeps trotting the same players out on the defense that have no business being there. How many time are we gonna see Harris hold a WR because he cannot cover? How many times are we gonna see Demps out of place for a huge play? How many time are we gonna see Brady James get totally sucked in then have a TE blow right past him? Where is Rudd? Saw him in the Lions game covering a TE down field. Phillips doesn't seem to know how to make adjustments. GB, Jax, Lions, Pats, are games that he absolutely looked lost and cunfunded. After the 3rd TD, wouldn't it be time to make adjustments?

Special teams as a whole needs to go and be revamped. I am starting to thing it wasn't all Jacoby Jones and Trendon Holliday's fault. they actually had success in other places.

so fan, you want to lay blame, lay it on the team as a whole. Start with the owner and work your way down and everybody has a share in this debacle...

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by Rey

I get what you're saying, but we have 2 probowl OL, a great WR, a pro bowl RB and a pr bowl QB that he hand picked. Hell, he hand picked KW to be his starting WR. KW doesn't suck. OD is a pro bowler top tier TE. Hell Garrett Grahm doesn't suck.

These players may have come to the team via low draft picks or off the scrap heap, but they are no longer lemons once they prove what they're capable of.

What is the difference between Foster and a first round RB? The price you initially paid to get them?

Vonta Leach was a pro bowl FB that we had. Casey has skills that don't get used. Ben Tate is a good second RB....That doesn't get used.

The biggest difference I see, is that I think those guys are "satisfied" with getting to the Pro-bowl. Being 12-3 & division champs & in the play-offs is acceptable to those guys.

But a guy like Andre who has won his whole life at the highest level of everything he's done... that guy wants more. Jj Watt wants more. KDub is happy to have a starting job. Would probably be happy coming off the bench. Chris Myers has probably accomplished everything he set out to accomplish but a Super Bowl & he's probably ok with that.

Vonta... I think he had that drive for more. I thought Foster did as well. I'm sure Ben Tate does, but I think he's been hurt more than we know.

Originally Posted by Rey

Lets not act like Kubiak is working with a bunch of scrubs or "lemons" over there. Regardless of where they cam from or how they got here, they are good players.

You know KDub isn't starting on any other team. Wade Smith.... doubt it. Chris Meyers... maybe on another ZBS team. Owen Daniels... I haven't seen a starting caliber OD in years.

Originally Posted by Rey

Do we need three pro bowlers on the OL? Another Pro bowl stud WR? Another pro bowl TE?

Man this crap is just a bunch of excuses.

What is so hard about saying they underachieved? They're doing a bad job?

Again, the Pro Bowl is the goal for some guys. It's a bump in the road for others. KDub is dreaming about being a Pro Bowler one day. If he doesn't get to the Super Bowl this year, I doubt he'll be as upset as you will be. I have no doubt in mind that Andre will be, that Duane Brown will be. That Jj Watt will be. James Casey... not so much.

Excuses... maybe. But certain players rise to the occasion, others don't.

[Surreal McCoy]

Originally Posted by EllisUnit

Dude we have run that same play like 4 or 5 times a game since then. Haven't seen noome complain about lack of running it. Hell we ran it 3 times to AJ and once to OD yesterday.

Loads of people on this very board, many complaining about the play calling, have said so. TT should be changed to FF.

[steelbtexan]

Originally Posted by Fiddler

The biggest tell, is that their biggest gripe about the game is that the team came out flat, uninspired, or unmotivated. Those are key words. It means, "I hate the head coach."

Most of these people have already stated they would be upset with Kubiak if we get to but lose the Super Bowl. I'm going to repeat that, because I like to hear myself talk. They said, even though our QB is crap, we have no talent on the OL, our defense is fool's gold, & Arian's a wimp. If we get to the Super Bowl it will be in spite of Kubiak. If we lose, it is because of Kubiak.

I dont hate the Gary, in fact I believe he's done his best job of coaching since he has been here. Fact is this team had very little depth to begin with and then injuries came.

Who's to blame for the lack of depth? we dont know, but I would think Gary has a major say in who's on the roster. So yeah, he should share in the blame. Schaub is Garys handpicked QB and he will succeed or not succeed based on hoe Schaub performs. It's not looking promising at this point.

[Runner]

Originally Posted by EllisUnit

What did he have to say to the fans ?

I can't remember word for word. He was asked how he felt about letting down the fans. He basically said he didn't care about the fans, he had a team to worry about.

It seemed like a "screw the fans" attitude to me. I guess he had to vent his anger somewhere.

[Mr teX]

Originally Posted by Runner

I can't remember word for word. He was asked how he felt about letting down the fans. He basically said he didn't care about the fans, he had a team to worry about.

It seemed like a "screw the fans" attitude to me. I guess he had to vent his anger somewhere.

yeah, well i know of 53 guys that have no choice but to sit and listen to him venting....they might actually get something out of it to.

[Say Watt]

I am infuriated. I wish the fans would finally rise together and make a statement. If Gary wins against Cincinnati, which he should, he will get another year, and he probably deserves it. You win a playoff game, and you should keep your job. But if this team plays a stinker, this city better riot. They better let McNair know we are done with this BS and are sick of being spoon fed cow diarrhea while being told it's chocolate ice cream.