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Old 09-08-2008   #61
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In all honesty AO was not brought in here to be a run stopper. He was brought in to apply pressure and help Mario. Now we need a NT to help AO cus Travis isn't helping anything but his bank account. I am hoping Okam can be brought up to speed to be that guy but he looked bad in preseason.

We just can't have two DT's who can't play the run.

Oh, and get rid of Weaver too.
TJ had a much better game against the run than Okoye did.

IMO, if Okoye wants to remain a starter he'll learn to stop the run. I understand he was a great pass rusher in College, but that is not his primary job. If he can't stop the run, get someone in there that can.
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Can you imagine if the Viking would have taken Amobi with the pick just before us - then we would have gotten Adrian Peterson - oh so close! I hope you make me regret this post Amobi - do it!
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Okoye isn't a problem spot, but I think what they ask of him is too much. Its like asking freeney to 2 gap. Okoye should be 1 gap penetrating. They shouldve signed a big 2 gapper like grady jackson and let him 2 gap in between Mario and Okoye. That gives Mario 1 guy to beat and okoye 1 man to beat. I think its just wrong utilization of players.
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They have that big man but he's not starting. Or active. Or, really, anything.
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Can you imagine if the Viking would have taken Amobi with the pick just before us - then we would have gotten Adrian Peterson - oh so close! I hope you make me regret this post Amobi - do it!
well, Atlanta and Miami would have either taken Peterson or traded the pick but we weren't right behind Minnesota in any case..... Darrelle Revis, Patrick Willis or Lawrence Timmons were 3 very stout defenders they passed on to pick Okoye.

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8 Atlanta Jamaal Anderson - DE
9 Miami Ted Ginn, Jr. - WR
10 Houston Amobi Okoye - DT
11 San Francisco Patrick Willis - LB
12 Buffalo Marshawn Lynch - RB
13 St. Louis Adam Carriker - DE
14 NY Jets Darrelle Revis
15 Pittsburgh Lawrence Timmons - LB
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TJ had a much better game against the run than Okoye did.

IMO, if Okoye wants to remain a starter he'll learn to stop the run. I understand he was a great pass rusher in College, but that is not his primary job. If he can't stop the run, get someone in there that can.
Honestly, TJ and Okoye are supposed to be the same kind of player. An undersized 1-Technique defensive tackle that is supposed to shoot the gap, and head upfield to get the QB. TJ is seriously miscast in his role as a run stopping DT, because that's not what he is. He is entirely too small to be playing NT in a 4-3. Same with Okoye. Okoye has shown MUCH more as a DT pass rusher than Travis Johnson ever has.

Now I think that if I had to get rid of one of these two players, or sentence one of them to the depth chart, then TJ would be going down, but only because in 4 years, TJ really hasn't shown the work ethic or the talent to really stick around on this team. Okoye, is more of an unknown, but I think pretty much Okoye's rookie season showed more production than any season TJ has had.

Yes Okoye needs to step it up and play better, but you're talking about a 2nd year interior defensive lineman. Hell, even Fat Albert, which is universally despised and wanted, didn't start blowing people up until his 4th year, and that was a contract year! I think that this is going to be a dead horse argument (Like TJ has been for the past few years) because the coaching staff is going to give him his entire rookie contract to prove that he's not just a pile of shit that any street FA could take over for (Anthony Maddox). I think Okam is going to probably not be on the inactive list for Baltimore, but, he probably won't play many if any snaps during the game. If Okoye is too new, that guy is waaaaay too new.
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Yes Okoye needs to step it up and play better, but you're talking about a 2nd year interior defensive lineman. Hell, even Fat Albert, which is universally despised and wanted, didn't start blowing people up until his 4th year, and that was a contract year!
Hainsworth played very well at times before last season. He just became more consistent last year. He was already a difference maker....just not consistent. Okoye needs to prove he can be a difference maker let alone a consistent one.
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Hainsworth played very well at times before last season. He just became more consistent last year. He was already a difference maker....just not consistent. Okoye needs to prove he can be a difference maker let alone a consistent one.
Getting 5 sacks as a rookie alread proved he can be a difference maker, if not consistently.
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Getting 5 sacks as a rookie alread proved he can be a difference maker, if not consistently.
that doesn't tell you he is consistent as a dt...it tells you he had 5 sacks and had at least one-dimensional upside at worst. Watching him play tells me he gets blocked and redirected easily and only really flashes when the ball is run away from him and he shows his speed in pursuit.
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Hainsworth played very well at times before last season. He just became more consistent last year. He was already a difference maker....just not consistent. Okoye needs to prove he can be a difference maker let alone a consistent one.
I think there are a lot of people who will contend that Haynesworth's on/off play and his penchant for getting really really dumbass suspensions really did not leave any fan of Haynesworth with a great idea of how good he could be up until last year.

I think Amobi really has a long leash because everybody thinks that it takes a little time for DT's to rule their opposition, much like most offensive linemen take a little while as well*

*Joe Thomas need not apply.
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much like most offensive linemen take a little while as well*

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You can add Marcus McNeil to that list as well.
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well, Atlanta and Miami would have either taken Peterson or traded the pick but we weren't right behind Minnesota in any case..... Darrelle Revis, Patrick Willis or Lawrence Timmons were 3 very stout defenders they passed on to pick Okoye.

7 Minnesota Adrian Peterson - RB
8 Atlanta Jamaal Anderson - DE
9 Miami Ted Ginn, Jr. - WR
10 Houston Amobi Okoye - DT
11 San Francisco Patrick Willis - LB
12 Buffalo Marshawn Lynch - RB
13 St. Louis Adam Carriker - DE
14 NY Jets Darrelle Revis
15 Pittsburgh Lawrence Timmons - LB
That's right - my bad. I remember at the time thinking we had the 8th pick but we swapped first rounders with atlanta for schaub.
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well, Atlanta and Miami would have either taken Peterson or traded the pick but we weren't right behind Minnesota in any case..... Darrelle Revis, Patrick Willis or Lawrence Timmons were 3 very stout defenders they passed on to pick Okoye.

7 Minnesota Adrian Peterson - RB
8 Atlanta Jamaal Anderson - DE
9 Miami Ted Ginn, Jr. - WR
10 Houston Amobi Okoye - DT
11 San Francisco Patrick Willis - LB
12 Buffalo Marshawn Lynch - RB
13 St. Louis Adam Carriker - DE
14 NY Jets Darrelle Revis
15 Pittsburgh Lawrence Timmons - LB
quite a few people wanted Willis over Okoye. I thought we needed Revis myself since DeMeco turned out so well and DB was still an issue; but I wasn't disappointed in the Okoye pick.
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We also need to remember that the kid is really young. At his age I think most guys are still juniors in college. He is still growing into being a man. If he is still being pushed around at age 24, then we probably have a problem.
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We also need to remember that the kid is really young. At his age I think most guys are still juniors in college. He is still growing into being a man. If he is still being pushed around at age 24, then we probably have a problem.
so we wait three more years for him to maybe develop into Warren Sapp?
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Well at least we didn't take Jamal Anderson

Willis, Timmons, Beason, Revis would have all be good players at the spot
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Honestly, TJ and Okoye are supposed to be the same kind of player. An undersized 1-Technique defensive tackle that is supposed to shoot the gap, and head upfield to get the QB. TJ is seriously miscast in his role as a run stopping DT, because that's not what he is. He is entirely too small to be playing NT in a 4-3. Same with Okoye. Okoye has shown MUCH more as a DT pass rusher than Travis Johnson ever has.

Now I think that if I had to get rid of one of these two players, or sentence one of them to the depth chart, then TJ would be going down, but only because in 4 years, TJ really hasn't shown the work ethic or the talent to really stick around on this team. Okoye, is more of an unknown, but I think pretty much Okoye's rookie season showed more production than any season TJ has had.

Yes Okoye needs to step it up and play better, but you're talking about a 2nd year interior defensive lineman. Hell, even Fat Albert, which is universally despised and wanted, didn't start blowing people up until his 4th year, and that was a contract year! I think that this is going to be a dead horse argument (Like TJ has been for the past few years) because the coaching staff is going to give him his entire rookie contract to prove that he's not just a pile of shit that any street FA could take over for (Anthony Maddox). I think Okam is going to probably not be on the inactive list for Baltimore, but, he probably won't play many if any snaps during the game. If Okoye is too new, that guy is waaaaay too new.
Well, there's a freaking problem then. How long will this franchise continue to pull bone-headed crap like that and get shoved around on both sides of the line? Why hasn't this problem been addressed? If Okam is the answer, why is his big butt on the sideline?
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I think iif they let him 1 gap, he would be ok. If they asked sapp to 2 ggap like sam adams, he wouldn't be a future hof.
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Well at least we didn't take Jamal Anderson

Willis, Timmons, Beason, Revis would have all be good players at the spot
Willis had my vote. Maybe still does.....
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