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View Poll Results: Which position would you upgrade on the defense if you could just "make it happen"?
Weaver: We need help with the pass rush to get the most out of Mario! 45 73.77%
Greenwood: We need another LB to go with DeMeco and we need him now! 5 8.20%
Reeves: As long as he's the best we have opposite Bennett we're in trouble. We need a CB 11 18.03%
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Old 08-28-2008   #21
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no offense herv, but i can't vote. CC Brown is probably the worst player in the nfl in my eyes. Legitimate safety should be list 1a
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Old 08-28-2008   #22
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Define small then............


Okoye and Ryans:
6'-2" 302lbs. and 6'-1" 236 lbs. seems small to me to stop the run...


Haynesworth and Fowler:
6'-6" 320lbs. and 6'-3 250lbs
We're not massive, but we aren't small either...

That's a misconception that I see has become an epedemic...

Most of the 4-3 teams around the leauge don't have 330lb DT's getting a bunch of tick...Most teams, in fact, have DT's maybe a little bigger (and in a lot of cases a bit smaller) than TJ and Okoye...

I'm not sure where you're getting those weights from, but on NFL.com they have Demeco as 250lbs...

Now I'm not saying he's 250lbs, but if the .com has Demeco listed as a little bigger than he actually is, other players weights are probably slightly exaggerated too....

Anywho...Demeco isn't much smaller than a lot of 4-3 MLB's...and our DT's aren't either...

In fact we are very average....

Everyone was drooling over Frank Okam, but not a lot of 4-3 teams have DT's that big...I don't get the obsession...

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I'm just curious about how we've all kind of identified this "unholy trinity" of Weaver, Greenwood, and Reeves and I thought "If I could fix just one of those positons which one would I fix?" and that made me wonder what the general consensus is.

If you could swap out one of those players for a truly "good" player at that position which one would you fix? Ignore salary cap issues and without focusing on one particular player and tell me which level of our defense you would correct if you could do it "just like that".
Hey! This is one of those trick questions. You know, like whether you would rather be shot, stabbed or knocked upside the head.

You can easily make the case for any of those positions. Lots of great defenses with bookends, or a smart fast linebacking group, or a have to throw to the other side cornerback.

Picking an upgrade at corner, assumes that the CBs won't be told to give so much cushion.

Gun to my head, and with our current defense, I say quality DE. Lots of Super Bowl teams with great bookends.
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DeMeco is at least in the 240's. the dotcom lists him at 250...but that may be soaking wet, with stuff in his pockets. Young men fill out to full muscularity till around the age of 25 and DeMeco is still 23
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I chose Weaver. I think we could get away with sub-par corners if we had the rush to make the QB make bad decisions.
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A pass rush is needed the most, that's the whole reason we took mario #1
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Default Re: So which "hole" do you fill in our defense?

you gotta be good at QB, protecting the QB, rushing the QB and defending passes from the QB...so I'd cut the dead wood first. Weaver. All I've noticed that he does well is backpedal out of a 3 point stance.
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Default Re: So which "hole" do you fill in our defense?

I voted for Weaver. He's a waste of a roster spot, and I'm hard pressed to find any other reason for him still being here other than how much he costs us. Add to it that a better pass rush would help make our secondary look good even with Reeves in it. So replacing Weaver has got to be the priority on the defensive side of the ball.
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I would replace weaver first, but my next step would be a better safety.
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I would replace weaver first, but my next step would be a better safety.
We should see a lot of Harrison tonight.
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Default Re: So which "hole" do you fill in our defense?

Weaver. If we had someone to take pressure off of Mario, our pass rush would be a legitimate, consistent threat. That added pressure would help our secondary out big time.
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Default Re: So which "hole" do you fill in our defense?

There have been productive defensive lines that consisted of one great player and three average players. Weaver's a weakness, but I can't help but see our secondary as the weakest link on a defense full of weak links. I don't know that replacing Reeves specifically would answer any real questions, but I do know that I would like to see a CB tandem of last year's version of D-Rob before he got injured paired with the end-of-season version of Bennett.
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you gotta be good at QB, protecting the QB, rushing the QB and defending passes from the QB...so I'd cut the dead wood first. Weaver. All I've noticed that he does well is backpedal out of a 3 point stance.
He does that very well, though.

I agree that we should get rid of Weaver. I think we should move Mario to strong-side and plunk in a rotation of Cochrane, Kalu and Colvin (or Thompson).

But I also want CC Brown out of there.
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screw our secondary, man.... they've been making me want to cry since i was a baby.
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I was pretty happy with our secondary when it was Aaron Glenn, Marcus Coleman, Dunta Robinson and ... heck, I don't even know who was SS back then... but it was pretty decent then.

Maybe Smith will find another free agent from the cuts.
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I was pretty happy with our secondary when it was Aaron Glenn, Marcus Coleman, Dunta Robinson and ... heck, I don't even know who was SS back then... but it was pretty decent then.
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it was decent then, but when Aaron left, i turned into a baby.
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it was decent then, but when Aaron left, i turned into a baby.
I thought that it was the loss of old no. 7 that made you gibber and wail.
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I thought that it was the loss of old no. 7 that made you gibber and wail.
don't open old wounds. please.
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I was pretty happy with our secondary when it was Aaron Glenn, Marcus Coleman, Dunta Robinson and ... heck, I don't even know who was SS back then... but it was pretty decent then.
So who was the SS back then?

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Oh NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooooo!!! Not Matt Stevens...
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