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Old 07-06-2008   #261
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I mean, how desparate do they have to be to start bugging the man's mom??
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I was actually referring to the resurrection of this thread.
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According to everything that was said about Kolb during that draft, everyone's big knock on Kolb was the fact that he spent very little time under the center and had a lot of work to do on his footwork. He would have to learn an entirely different game no matter where he went. He himself, iirc, even mentioned on the NFLN's combine coverage about how he wasn't as smooth at taking the ball from under center and dropping back as the other guys during the drills because he'd never really had to do it that much before.

I'll look around and see if I can track down the tape or transcript of that.
Something interesting I found, JFYI.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/200...eep-zone/6351/

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So if teams have been spreading the field for a decade or more, why does it suddenly look new? One thing that has changed in recent years is the number of shotgun sets. Check out the rise in passes from the shotgun in the past four seasons:

Year Pct of passes
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2004 20.1%
2005 24.7%
2006 30.3%
2007 41.5%

This is radical change in just a few seasons, and it’s probably due to the success Peyton Manning had using shotgun sets on non-passing downs four or five years ago. You can go team-by-team, quarterback-by-quarterback, and see philosophies change. Donovan McNabb threw 77 passes from the shotgun in 2006 but 245 in 2007. Broncos quarterbacks threw 70 shotgun passes in 2005, 109 in 2006, and 255 in 2007.

The rise in shotgun sets explains why teams are classifying the new trend as a rise in “spread” offenses, not as a return to the run ‘n’ shoot, which didn’t use the shotgun much. Meyer’s spread-option, which is taking college football by storm, is built almost exclusively around shotgun formations, though Meyer-inspired teams will often use two running backs and a tight end in shotgun sets. NFL teams like the Jaguars take a similar approach, keeping the backs and tight end on the field and running delays and draws from the shotgun. The real trend in the NFL may be that teams are finding new ways to run the ball from shotgun sets, allowing them to use the shotgun on first-and-10, adding much more variety to already complex offenses.

But while teams may be adopting some Meyer principles, nobody is running a spread-option in the NFL. And technically, teams aren’t “spreading the field” any more than they have been for the last decade. Shotgun offenses are on the rise, not spread offenses. A semantic point, but it’s important to get our terminology as precise as possible.
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Something interesting I found, JFYI.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/200...eep-zone/6351/

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So if teams have been spreading the field for a decade or more, why does it suddenly look new? One thing that has changed in recent years is the number of shotgun sets. Check out the rise in passes from the shotgun in the past four seasons:

Year Pct of passes
from shotgun
2004 20.1%
2005 24.7%
2006 30.3%
2007 41.5%

This is radical change in just a few seasons, and it’s probably due to the success Peyton Manning had using shotgun sets on non-passing downs four or five years ago. You can go team-by-team, quarterback-by-quarterback, and see philosophies change. Donovan McNabb threw 77 passes from the shotgun in 2006 but 245 in 2007. Broncos quarterbacks threw 70 shotgun passes in 2005, 109 in 2006, and 255 in 2007.

The rise in shotgun sets explains why teams are classifying the new trend as a rise in “spread” offenses, not as a return to the run ‘n’ shoot, which didn’t use the shotgun much. Meyer’s spread-option, which is taking college football by storm, is built almost exclusively around shotgun formations, though Meyer-inspired teams will often use two running backs and a tight end in shotgun sets. NFL teams like the Jaguars take a similar approach, keeping the backs and tight end on the field and running delays and draws from the shotgun. The real trend in the NFL may be that teams are finding new ways to run the ball from shotgun sets, allowing them to use the shotgun on first-and-10, adding much more variety to already complex offenses.

But while teams may be adopting some Meyer principles, nobody is running a spread-option in the NFL. And technically, teams aren’t “spreading the field” any more than they have been for the last decade. Shotgun offenses are on the rise, not spread offenses. A semantic point, but it’s important to get our terminology as precise as possible.
It's interesting but not particularly surprising. I'd like to see the numbers over the past 50 years. I think it would look like a sine wave.

The shotgun and the spread come and go every few years sometimes with different names and guises. They become popular and then they fall out of favor and then they get popular, etc. A lot of teams have relied on the spread and/or the shotgun off and on over the years.

Sometimes the spread has been used with the shotgun and sometimes not.

So, yeah, I can see your point. Dogging Kolb because he's a shotgun QB might not be all that valid but it was a concern that a lot of people ahd. Maybe it's kinda like the myth of 30+ carries per game with running backs. Scouts and GM's always talk about 30+ carry guy but very few people have ever actually carried the ball over 30 carries a game for a full season. Jim Brown never did it. IIRC, Emmit Smith and Walter Payton never did it, either. But you never hear anyone bad mouthing those guys as being wimpy because they couldn't carry the rock 30x per game.
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So, yeah, I can see your point. Dogging Kolb because he's a shotgun QB might not be all that valid but it was a concern that a lot of people had.
Maybe it was stll a concern because 60% of the snaps last year came 'under center' as opposed to from the shotgun?

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Very true. Last year Clinton Portis carried the ball 325 times (most in the NFL). He also started every single game. This averages out to 20.3125x per game.

In 2006, Larry Johnson carried the ball 416 times (68 more times than the next player- L.T.). That averages to 26x per game.

I don't know if we'll see a RB carrying the ball 480 times during the season (30x per game) for a long time.
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Well, I'm really glad that we are clear on those "myths".

Then I can tell you about the major shortcoming that I can see Kolb needs to surpass if he's gonna have any career in the NFL.

And that is his tendency to hold on to the football, trying to make a play.

Boy got sacked, he got right up and throw a TD.
Can't expect the same in the NFL too often.

He does have a quicker release than Carr.
Quicker than Sage, but maybe not quicker than Schaub.

Even Joe Montana can only take so many concussions!
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Maybe it's kinda like the myth of 30+ carries per game with running backs. Scouts and GM's always talk about 30+ carry guy but very few people have ever actually carried the ball over 30 carries a game for a full season. Jim Brown never did it. IIRC, Emmit Smith and Walter Payton never did it, either. But you never hear anyone bad mouthing those guys as being wimpy because they couldn't carry the rock 30x per game.
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Maybe it's kinda like the myth of 30+ carries per game with running backs. Scouts and GM's always talk about 30+ carry guy but very few people have ever actually carried the ball over 30 carries a game for a full season. Jim Brown never did it. IIRC, Emmit Smith and Walter Payton never did it, either. But you never hear anyone bad mouthing those guys as being wimpy because they couldn't carry the rock 30x per game.
Your point got me looking around a bit...

Leaders in all time rushing attempts.

Rank/Player/Career carries per game/ Season high carries

1. Emmit Smith 19.5 / 24.5
2. Walter Payton 20.2 / 24.2
3. Curtis Martin 20.9 / 24.6
4. Jerome Bettis 18.1 / 25
5. Barry Sanders 20 / 22.8
6. Marcus Allen 13.6 / 23.8
7. Eric Dickerson 20.5 / 25.3
8. Franco Harris 17.0 / 21.4
9. Tony Dorsett 17.0 / 21.4
10. John Riggins 16.7 / 25.0

Other Notables

O.J Simpson 17.8 / 23.7
LaDanien Tomlinson 21.3 / 23.3
Larry Johnson 18.8 / 26.0
Jim Brown 20.0 / 24.2
Earl Campbell 19.0 / 24.9


No one anywhere near 30. Even 25 carries in a season was a stretch for the all time greats.
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267 replies and the title of this thread is still grammatically incorrect.

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267 replies and the title of this thread is still grammatically incorrect.


and now talking about running backs instead of back up QBs
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267 replies and the title of this thread is still grammatically incorrect.

Don't you mean 267 reply?
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Don't you mean 267 reply?
Nope, I mean replies. When used as a noun the plural form is replies.

....or did I miss some sarcasm? I can never tell.
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Well, I'm really glad that we are clear on those "myths".

Then I can tell you about the major shortcoming that I can see Kolb needs to surpass if he's gonna have any career in the NFL.

And that is his tendency to hold on to the football, trying to make a play.
Well, if you're going to admit to that then you should know that I'm a Coog. Both my wife and I graduated from UH (granted, it was UH-DC, but still.) I've been a Cougar fan my entire life.

AND, after spending a couple of years near Philly, I'm also an Iggles fan.

So I really want Kolb to grow into a monster. I just honestly didn't think he was going to go that high after all the pre-draft analysis.
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and now talking about running backs instead of back up QBs

Wait a second, now Sage wants a chance to start at running back?
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Nope, I mean replies. When used as a noun the plural form is replies.

....or did I miss some sarcasm? I can never tell.
LOL, yes, I was being sarcastic. I was going with the spirit of incorrect grammar.
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Your point got me looking around a bit...

Leaders in all time rushing attempts.

Rank/Player/Career carries per game/ Season high carries

1. Emmit Smith 19.5 / 24.5
2. Walter Payton 20.2 / 24.2
3. Curtis Martin 20.9 / 24.6
4. Jerome Bettis 18.1 / 25
5. Barry Sanders 20 / 22.8
6. Marcus Allen 13.6 / 23.8
7. Eric Dickerson 20.5 / 25.3
8. Franco Harris 17.0 / 21.4
9. Tony Dorsett 17.0 / 21.4
10. John Riggins 16.7 / 25.0

Other Notables

O.J Simpson 17.8 / 23.7
LaDanien Tomlinson 21.3 / 23.3
Larry Johnson 18.8 / 26.0
Jim Brown 20.0 / 24.2
Earl Campbell 19.0 / 24.9


No one anywhere near 30. Even 25 carries in a season was a stretch for the all time greats.
You don't ever want your RB too carry the ball 30 times in any game. but it's nice to know that he can, if he has too, and sometimes, he has too.

I would bet money, that everyone on your list(lists) has carried the rock 30 times or more, on more than one occasion.
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Wait a second, now Sage wants a chance to start at running back?
no, sage want a chance to be a starter at running back. duh.

and how come for some of us in the thread title across the top of our post it's correct and for some of you it's incorrect. how is that the case?
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