Going toward the draft--depth chart

[The Pencil Neck]

Originally Posted by Wolf

Added Ferguson and took off McKinney

at this point some positions are probably wrong still. I am just adding to slots and of course depth chart on original website won't mean squat for a long long time from espn or texans site

You've got Curome Cox under both CB and Safety. I thought he was just a safety.

And is Frye a Guard or a Tackle?

[Rex King]

Just wanted to note we have 71 players under contract. With the TC roster limit set at 80 this year, after our draft picks, we'll have only 4 spots to sign UDFA's or street free agents.

[aj.]

I think I read that the owners are going to re-visit the 80 man roster limit at the May meeting. No NFLE exemptions this year. CBA politics swirling. Hard to read whether there's going to be support to expand this number or just go with 80 and save a few bucks - because the league is so far in debt <rolls eyes thingy>

[NitroGSXR]

Originally Posted by aj.

I think I read that the owners are going to re-visit the 80 man roster limit at the May meeting. No NFLE exemptions this year. CBA politics swirling. Hard to read whether there's going to be support to expand this number or just go with 80 and save a few bucks - because the league is so far in debt <rolls eyes thingy>

I believe I saw 86 as a number here for the rosters.

I'm no economics major but this all really doesn't make much sense to me to be honest with you. I just want my game ticket to pay for 53 (however much is supposed to be on our roster). Paying these other guys to practice seems silly to me. Real silly. Sure, I get the practice squad thing but to sign a player to a million dollar contract only to cut him to get the team under the roster seems freakishly and outlandish. All that really is doing is getting money out to the lawyers and arbritators just to draft up some contract that'll be out the door.

Expand the practice squad is the answer to me. Not expanding the overall roster only to be forced to cut it down as the season approaches. 53 man roster at all times and a 35 (or whatever) man practice squad. Seems simple but I'm sure you can debunk that and give me a nice explaination as to why things are the way things are.

Anyone is welcome to jump in if you've got insight. I have none. I'm just talking out of my arse and was puzzled as to why the owners would want to expand rosters because that only seems like it'd cost ticketholders more money. I'm NOT a season ticket holder but I do go to every game that I can (which isn't much YET). Seems to me that season ticket holders would have a beef with this expansion thing.

[ArlingtonTexan]

Originally Posted by NitroHonda

I believe I saw 86 as a number here for the rosters.

I'm no economics major but this all really doesn't make much sense to me to be honest with you. I just want my game ticket to pay for 53 (however much is supposed to be on our roster). Paying these other guys to practice seems silly to me. Real silly. Sure, I get the practice squad thing but to sign a player to a million dollar contract only to cut him to get the team under the roster seems freakishly and outlandish. All that really is doing is getting money out to the lawyers and arbritators just to draft up some contract that'll be out the door.

Expand the practice squad is the answer to me. Not expanding the overall roster only to be forced to cut it down as the season approaches. 53 man roster at all times and a 35 (or whatever) man practice squad. Seems simple but I'm sure you can debunk that and give me a nice explaination as to why things are the way things are.

Anyone is welcome to jump in if you've got insight. I have none. I'm just talking out of my arse and was puzzled as to why the owners would want to expand rosters because that only seems like it'd cost ticketholders more money. I'm NOT a season ticket holder but I do go to every game that I can (which isn't much YET). Seems to me that season ticket holders would have a beef with this expansion thing.

IMO, the owners are just setting up a bargaining chip to use the next labor agreement. In terms of money, most of the guys beyond the 53 man limit are some version of street free agent who get a fairly small signing bonus and no guaranteed salary unless they make the final 53 man roster. Practice squad players "only" make somewhere around 85,000 versus a minimium of around 275,000. During training camp the guys get around $1,000 per week which, considering pre-season games are pretty much forced on the season ticket holder, I am betting the owners are not losing much by having even up to 125 guys during training camp.

On your notion of having as large pratice squad, honestly considering teams now effectively will only cut around 20 players (53 rostered and 8 practice squad, not counting the guys who go on IR), and there is no version of minor league professional football having a bunch of guys who make a relative samll amount makes a ton of sense to me.

[Mr PC]

At this point, looks like the 5 main needs are:

CB
OT
LB
S
RB

probably in that order.

[Wolf]

Originally Posted by Wolf View Post
this is just going off of ESPN (nfl.com was way outdated) and we know the depth chart is not set, but this was the websites list and i added from transactions

This is just to give someone an idea of what we look like before the draft. and anybody want to add to it, feel free


POS STARTER 2nd 3rd 4th
WR Andre Johnson / Andre Davis / Harry Williams / LeRon McCoy
TE Owen Daniels / Joel Dreessen /Mark Bruenner
LT Ephraim Salaam. /.Jordan Black. ./Charles Spencer/Duane Brown(r)
LG Chester Pitts /Kasey Studdard /Scott Jackson
C Chris myers /Chris White / Chukky Okobi /greg Eslinger
RG Michael Brisiel /Brandon Frye /Dan Stevenson
RT Eric Winston / Rashad Butler
WR Kevin Walter /Jacoby Jones /David Anderson/Ryan Grice-Mullen(r-udf)
QB Matt Schaub /Sage Rosenfels / Shane Boyd /Quinn Gray/Alex Brink (r)
FB Vonta Leach /Jameel Cook /john Abate (I think we were using him as a fB)
RB Ahman Green / Darius Walker /chris brown / Arliss Beach/Steve Slaton (r)

Base 4-3 D
POS STARTER 2nd 3rd 4th
LDE Anthony Weaver / Earl Cochran /Eric Powell
LDT Travis Johnson / Anthony Maddox /Tim Bulman/Frank Okam (r)
RDT Amobi Okoye /Jeff Zgonina /DelJuan Robinson
RDE Mario Williams /N.D. Kalu
WLB Morlon Greenwood / Kevis Coley/ Xavier Adibi (r)
MLB DeMeco Ryans /Zac Diles/Ben Moffitt(r-udf)
SLB Kevin Bentley /chaun thompson
CB Jacques Reeves /Derrick Roberson/ Antwaun Molden (r)
SS Will Demps /Brandon Harrison / Nick Ferguson/ Dominique Barber (r)
FS C.C. Brown /Curome Cox /Brandon Mitchell / Glenn earl
CB Fred Bennett / DeMarcus Faggins /Jamar Fletcher / Derrick Johnson

PK Kris Brown
P Matt Turk
H Matt Turk
PR Jacoby Jones
KR Andre Davis
LS Bryan Pittman

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/teams/...formationId=18

transactions so far
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/teams/...tions?team=hou


http://www.houstontexans.com/team/depthchart.html


IR
CB Dunta Robinson(IR) (putting him here because not sure when he will back and don't trust the reports we get from the Texans)


added the rookies and so far 2 udf
positions may be off (aka SS or FS)

[Rex King]

Another article about roster limits:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...e/?eref=sircrc

On another note:

Originally Posted by Gary Kubiak

(on if LB Zac Diles is getting the first crack to start at strong side linebacker) “Yes, he is. You know, there’s a lot of guys in there competing, with (Kevin) Bentley and Zac (Diles) and of course (Xavier) Adibi and (Chaun) Thompson, but Zac’s lining up with the first group right now. He needs the reps. We’ll see how he does.

Does this mean Adibi's going to be tried at SLB? I fully expected him to compete with Greenwood, as Wolf has him listed.

[infantrycak]

Originally Posted by Rex King

Does this mean Adibi's going to be tried at SLB? I fully expected him to compete with Greenwood, as Wolf has him listed.

There is an article at HT.com about Ryans and Greenwood being pillars of the LBs and how the competition is for the third spot. Adibi is fighting with Diles, not with Greenwood.

[aj.]

Originally Posted by Wolf

Originally Posted by Wolf View Post
this is just going off of ESPN (nfl.com was way outdated) and we know the depth chart is not set, but this was the websites list and i added from transactions

This is just to give someone an idea of what we look like before the draft. and anybody want to add to it, feel free


POS STARTER 2nd 3rd 4th
WR Andre Johnson / Andre Davis / Harry Williams / LeRon McCoy
TE Owen Daniels / Joel Dreessen /Mark Bruenner
LT Ephraim Salaam. /.Jordan Black. ./Charles Spencer/Duane Brown(r)
LG Chester Pitts /Kasey Studdard /Scott Jackson
C Chris myers /Chris White / Chukky Okobi /greg Eslinger
RG Michael Brisiel /Brandon Frye /Dan Stevenson
RT Eric Winston / Rashad Butler
WR Kevin Walter /Jacoby Jones /David Anderson/Ryan Grice-Mullen(r-udf)
QB Matt Schaub /Sage Rosenfels / Shane Boyd /Quinn Gray/Alex Brink (r)
FB Vonta Leach /Jameel Cook /john Abate (I think we were using him as a fB)
RB Ahman Green / Darius Walker /chris brown / Arliss Beach/Steve Slaton (r)

Base 4-3 D
POS STARTER 2nd 3rd 4th
LDE Anthony Weaver / Earl Cochran /Eric Powell
LDT Travis Johnson / Anthony Maddox /Tim Bulman/Frank Okam (r)
RDT Amobi Okoye /Jeff Zgonina /DelJuan Robinson
RDE Mario Williams /N.D. Kalu
WLB Morlon Greenwood / Kevis Coley/ Xavier Adibi (r)
MLB DeMeco Ryans /Zac Diles/Ben Moffitt(r-udf)
SLB Kevin Bentley /chaun thompson
CB Jacques Reeves /Derrick Roberson/ Antwaun Molden (r)
SS Will Demps /Brandon Harrison / Nick Ferguson/ Dominique Barber (r)
FS C.C. Brown /Curome Cox /Brandon Mitchell / Glenn earl
CB Fred Bennett / DeMarcus Faggins /Jamar Fletcher / Derrick Johnson

PK Kris Brown
P Matt Turk
H Matt Turk
PR Jacoby Jones
KR Andre Davis
LS Bryan Pittman

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/teams/...formationId=18

transactions so far
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/teams/...tions?team=hou


http://www.houstontexans.com/team/depthchart.html


IR
CB Dunta Robinson(IR) (putting him here because not sure when he will back and don't trust the reports we get from the Texans)


added the rookies and so far 2 udf
positions may be off (aka SS or FS)

If you're listing all the players, you should add Darnell Jenkins, Fred Weary and Chris Taylor to the offense, and Jesse Nading, Gabe Long and Marcus Richardson to the defense. PUP would probably be a better designation for Dunta if you want to account for his injury status.

[aj.]

Originally Posted by infantrycak

There is an article at HT.com about Ryans and Greenwood being pillars of the LBs and how the competition is for the third spot. Adibi is fighting with Diles, not with Greenwood.

You may not see it until '09 but I see Adibi as Greenwood's replacement unit - considering physical makeup/skills, and where G'wood is in his contract and his age.

[edo783]

Originally Posted by aj.

I see Adibi as Greenwood's replacement unit - considering physical makeup/skills, where G'wood is in his contract and his age. You may not see it until '09 but I don't see Adibi's future in the league at the Sam.

That's how I see it also, but like you said, not until 09.

[Wolf]

Originally Posted by Wolf

Originally Posted by Wolf View Post
this is just going off of ESPN (nfl.com was way outdated) and we know the depth chart is not set, but this was the websites list and i added from transactions

This is just to give someone an idea of what we look like before the draft. and anybody want to add to it, feel free


POS STARTER 2nd 3rd 4th
WR Andre Johnson / Andre Davis / Harry Williams / LeRon McCoy
TE Owen Daniels / Joel Dreessen /Mark Bruenner/Ryan Krause
LT Ephraim Salaam. /Charles Spencer/Duane Brown(r)
LG Chester Pitts /Kasey Studdard /Scott Jackson
C Chris myers /Chris White / greg Eslinger/Mark Fenton
RG Michael Brisiel /Brandon Frye /Dan Stevenson/Fred Weary
RT Eric Winston / Rashad Butler
WR Kevin Walter /Jacoby Jones /David Anderson/Darnell Jenkins/Tim Carter/Mark Simmons
QB Matt Schaub /Sage Rosenfels / Shane Boyd /Quinn Gray/Alex Brink (r)
FB Vonta Leach /Jameel Cook /john Abate (I think we were using him as a fB)
RB Ahman Green / Darius Walker /chris brown / Arliss Beach/Steve Slaton (r)/Chris Taylor

Base 4-3 D
POS STARTER 2nd 3rd 4th
LDE Anthony Weaver / Earl Cochran /Eric Powell
LDT Travis Johnson / Anthony Maddox /Tim Bulman/Frank Okam (r)
RDT Amobi Okoye /Jeff Zgonina /DelJuan Robinson/gabe long
RDE Mario Williams /N.D. Kalu/Jesse Nading
WLB Morlon Greenwood / Kevis Coley/ Xavier Adibi (r)
MLB DeMeco Ryans /Zac Diles/Ben Moffitt(r-udf)
SLB Kevin Bentley /chaun thompson/Marcus Richardson/
CB Jacques Reeves /Derrick Roberson/ Antwaun Molden (r)/Jimmy Williams
SS Will Demps /Brandon Harrison / Nick Ferguson/ Dominique Barber (r)
FS C.C. Brown /Brandon Mitchell / Glenn earl
CB Fred Bennett / DeMarcus Faggins /Jamar Fletcher / Derrick Johnson

PK Kris Brown
P Matt Turk
H Matt Turk
PR Jacoby Jones
KR Andre Davis
LS Bryan Pittman

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/teams/...formationId=18

transactions so far
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/teams/...tions?team=hou


http://www.houstontexans.com/team/depthchart.html

pup
CB Dunta Robinson(IR) (putting him here because not sure when he will back and don't trust the reports we get from the Texans)


positions may be off (aka SS or FS)

thanks AJ for the heads up... added whoever I could find from Texan website

and again.. it my say LB, but doesn't say Sam,mike,or Will..so I put it in anywhere..hopefully I didn't miss anything ..took off 4 people from cuts this week

[Wolf]

guess the title needs to be changed ..we are passed the draft LOL

got some of the info from here
http://www.houstontexans.com/team/player.asp


I am counting 84 on the roster