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Same thing can be said for MS (improvement but health issue questionable.) 

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Here's the real problem I see. The statistical data isn't really sufficient to support either of our arguments. If you watch him on the field we may have two different takes on him. I can't site individual instances any more but I might be able to go and look up what I've written in the past. But while his completion % is relatively high, his accuracy doesn't seem to be that great. I know I know, that's a borderline oxymoron, but I've said it before. Sage's completions don't allow the receiver to run after the catch. If you look at YAC/COMP, Sage is 39th in the league. The receiver gained over two yards less than Brett Farve. Of the 38 QBs in the chart, 30 fall between 4.4 and 5.9 yards. Of the remaining 8, all of them except Kyle Boller are above 4. Kyle and Sage are the only guys below 4 yac/completion with Sage at 3.7. Again these are per completion not attempt. Incomplete post. Its 4:00 and time for me to head to the house. If my ADHD doesn't take over I'll finish it when I get to the house. Mike
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My question is this, if the stats paint one picture, Kubes agrees with it, shanahan agrees with it and the depth chart agrees with it... then why do we assume the anomaly is the case? Statistically speaking, Sage's first year was MUCH better than his second, and the coaching staff thought they needed to go get a starter after his first year. I dunno, I've been accused of over thinking a bit, but if the stats line up and the organizations view (including kubes) line up... why not believe it? Mike
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I wondered if I was the only one who saw that that particular INT was on Andre, not Sage.

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link Now how that breaks down for each QB, I don't know. If anyone does, please show a link. Goodness knows what we could have done with a legit running attack. ...or fewer turnovers. 

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This was after Schaub, in the Panthers game, told Kubiak he "wouldn't do that again." After that sort of emphatic promise, you'd think he would have been less likely to throw one up for grabs (let alone two in a row). People on this board are saying "Schaub's the man," and some are saying "Well, hold on a second..." and some are saying "Boy, I am sure glad we have Sage as a quality backup," and some are saying "He's a great standin, but he's had his chances" and so the jury is tilted toward Schaub thus far. I haven't changed much on where I stand: "Who the HELL is our QB of tomorrow, because I see two backups trying to be the starter." The stats are about the same (eerily close, actually) except for Sage being better in a category or two but Schaub being better in a different category or two than Sage (I am not going to research this out again, it's not worth the time). So...all we have left is that Schaub has "a better ceiling" and Sage has had his chances. I just want somebody to solidify the role. And be a franchise QB. You don't see this issue on the Colts, or the Steelers, or the Chargers, or the Patriots, nor on several other teams. Those are teams that you KNOW who "the guy" is and that he's not endanger of being uprooted anytime soon. Conversely, we're better off than the BearsThey seem to not even have ONE decent QB who can lead a team in even a somewhat decent fashion. So, all I got is that I rambled on this topic and pretty much didn't get anywhere new with it. So, when does training camp start?...because I am bored like everyone else. Obviously.
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There are good arguments both pros and cons for Sage. Same goes for Schaub.
The thing that cannot be denied is that we have seen more (good things) out of them than in the previous year. In Schaub's case, he had removed doubts about an unknown quality. Therefore, I said they have both improved. And as long as I see that, I would stay with them as our QBs, and believe that they can be at least a notch above the title "game manager", until they prove otherwise. Take Carr for example, I gave him a lot of slack because we were a new franchise and were lacking skill players everywhere. But when he start regressing after promising us than he won't make bad decision to throw into a crowd anymore, yet did exactly just that on the field. That's where it ends. Right now, both Sage and Schaub are on the upward curb, despite what the numbers show. Even great veteran QBs (not too old) have years when their numbers are down. But you can't say they have stopped improving. 
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If I were a betting man, I'd bet that Kubiak has Schaub starting and Sage backing up. I trust Kubiak enough with the QB's to make that decision and I'm fine with it.
If he ended up naming Sage Rosenfels as the starter for the Texans, I'd be shocked, but I wouldn't think that it was the worst decision in the world unless we started stringing together losses due to bad QB play. One thing for Kubiak, I don't think he's going to hang his hat on a terrible QB for more than 1 season. Luckily for us, we don't have a terrible QB at the 1 or the 2. 
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I would think that it should not be a set starter. Both will have to vie for the coveted position all year, keeping both of them hungry and on the competitive edge. Dunno if that is a viable option, but sounds smart to me.
I like Sage, I want to keep Sage happy. I need to see more of Schaub to convince myself he is not fragile...so this line of thought works for me. Rip away... 
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Sage is a backup and nothing more Shaub is the starter and if they keep him from getting hurt he will put huge numbers.
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Why would you voluntarily play your second best QB for significant amounts of time? 

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Its a pet peeve of mine when people say Sage proved he is not a starter in Miami. He started only 2 games for them. 2 games is not enough of a sample size to determine a player's ability. Not to mention, Sage actually did have some success in Miami. In 2005 he entered a game with his team down 233. Sage stepped in and led them on a comeback, the Dolphins won that game 2423.
What matters is what Sage has done in Houston. Every opportunity he's been given he has shown promise. I remember watching the preseason games back when DCarr was here, and it was obvious Sage was the better QB of the two. Still Carr got the starts while Sage looked on. Sage was brought to sub for Carr vs the Titans and of course he led another heroic comeback effort. Dude has stepped up every time. He has won games for us as a starter and as a backup. I do not tolerate hating on Sage because he has done everything you could ask and more. Sage is a starting caliber QB. Rosenfels > Grossman, Smith, Jackson, Croyle, McCown. If they are good enough to start, there is no way that Sage is not good enough to start. But i reiterate, i am very happy we have him even in the backup role.
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I think some people are still scarred understandably from the D.C. Era here in Houston, far as QBs are concerned.
No one makes a deal like they did for Schaub and then says ok prove you are starting material. If you have it in your head somewhere Sage is going to get a shot at starting in Houston you might as well find another backup QB in the league to cheer for. There is no way Kubiak and Smith make that deal unless they didn't feel Sage was a viable long term solution at QB. Mr. PC : Quote:
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imo schaub will be a franchise/top 10 qb if he can stay healthy. sage is similiar to schaub in that both are very smart and efficient but schaub adds a more vertical passing/big play element to the passing game... sage doesnt offer that as much imo and is more of a game manger (and a very good one at that which you can win with see the giants etc) sage would still be a good starter due to his smarts.. neither are 'backups' in their level of play 

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They would be equals, whomever was the more dominant player would be the one who was playing. Keeps 'em hungry...Comprendez? 

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Should we give Andre Davis more playing time in order to keep AJ hungry? Think the Pats ought to get Cassel in the game more to make sure Brady doesn't rest on his laurels? One of these guys is better (Schaub), determine which one (Schaub), and then let whoever that is (Schaub) be your QB. 


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