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Old 05-21-2008   #121
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don't know about that. Rick Smith traded for Chris Meyers to be the starting Center. Winston is the starting RT & Pitts the starting LG. if Brown progresses on schedule he will be the starting LT. that leaves only RG position as unknown.
Was anyone else impressed with Brisiel last season when he came in? He definately didn't look too shabby for a 2006 UDFA imo. I think we may have ourselves a steal in Brisiel!!!
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Was anyone else impressed with Brisiel last season when he came in? He definately didn't look too shabby for a 2006 UDFA imo. I think we may have ourselves a steal in Brisiel!!!
Absolutely. His play last season was endlessly superior to that of Weary's. Brisiel is starter quality and is hopefully given a fair chance to start in light of the impending return of Tony Bosell...ahem, Charles Spencer.
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Was anyone else impressed with Brisiel last season when he came in? He definately didn't look too shabby for a 2006 UDFA imo. I think we may have ourselves a steal in Brisiel!!!
Briesel was very solid, I thought. I believe he'll make the team but I have doubts about him being a long term starter here because of the better athletes that could eventually overtake him at RG: spencer, frye... not to mention the competition he faces from Weary, Studdard and possibly CWhite or Eslinger.
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I think the max downside for Brown is that he ends up on the inside as a
guard, but still a starter who could be very good. That's not a huge disappointment for a guy taken at 26, like it is for a #2 overall like Robert Gallery.
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OK, I'll play (still awhile before the season starts-bored). I would go with Kentwan Balmer, DT North Carolina. not that he's a bad prospect but he is raw & developmental, he plays a difficult position for rookies to be successful, & not much support around him to succeed.

DEFENSIVE TACKLE (IMPACT: 5, OVA: 8%) http://ourlads.com/rookieimpact.cfm

In 2006, 20 rookie defensive tackles contributed on the field in the regular season. Based on the Landers efficiency model, the average rookie DT’s productivity was measured at 17.36 in 2006 (see model details below). Of the 115 veteran DTs who contributed in 2006, the average productivity was 35.80 – nearly double the average rookie. Only four of the 2006 rookie DTs had higher productivity than the average veteran. To punctuate the point, twenty rookie defensive tackles were good enough to contribute on the field right away in the NFL in 2006, but only four surpassed the average veteran. The 57th best veteran defensive tackle in 2006 would’ve measured 35.8 in their productivity. Only four rookie DTs performed better than the top-57 veterans. Is that good? Is that bad? Whatever it is, those four rookie defensive tackles represent 7% of the league’s defensive tackles that performed above average. (7% were Over Veteran Average, OVA) Congratulations go out to Kyle Williams, Barry Cofield, Domata Peko, and Kedric Golston. Three of these four also surpassed the league average in 2007. Also of note, respectively, they were drafted in the 5th, 4th, 4th, and 6th rounds.

In 2007, 18 rookie defensive tackles contributed on the field in the regular season. The average productivity for those 18? 19.73. 114 veteran DTs contributed in 2007. The average veteran DT’s productivity: 30.76. Only five of those contributing 18 rookie DTs had a higher productivity than the average veteran defensive tackle. Four out of twenty in 2006 and five out of eighteen in 2007 – fairly consistent. As far as 2007, goes that comes out to 8% of the league’s above average DTs being rookies. Congratulations go out to Adam Carriker, Amobi Okoye, Clifton Ryan, Ed Johnson, and Brandon Mebane. (1st round, 1st rd, 5th, undrafted, and 3rd.)

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Absolutely. His play last season was endlessly superior to that of Weary's. Brisiel is starter quality and is hopefully given a fair chance to start in light of the impending return of Tony Bosell...ahem, Charles Spencer.
WAYYYY unfair comparison there. Boselli never played a single down for the Texans, even in a pre-season game and (this is a guess) cost us more per year than Spencer's entire contract. Spencer went down after getting Dayne-trained from behind.

Kubes still sounds VERY encouraged about Spencer's return, w/o the same sort of spin he uses when talking about more 'questionable' injuries. I think too many people are still hearing Capers/Casserly in their heads when injuries are being reported and not giving Kubiak the benefit of the doubt here.

Salaam, nice guy that he is, simply should NOT be able to keep up w/ Duane Brown as the kid progresses. Salaam was hired as a stopgap, an he's done so at a very serviceable level. If Brown isn't the starter for the first regular-season game, it'll happen by season's end.
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WAYYYY unfair comparison there. Boselli never played a single down for the Texans, even in a pre-season game and (this is a guess) cost us more per year than Spencer's entire contract. Spencer went down after getting Dayne-trained from behind.

Kubes still sounds VERY encouraged about Spencer's return, w/o the same sort of spin he uses when talking about more 'questionable' injuries. I think too many people are still hearing Capers/Casserly in their heads when injuries are being reported and not giving Kubiak the benefit of the doubt here.

Salaam, nice guy that he is, simply should NOT be able to keep up w/ Duane Brown as the kid progresses. Salaam was hired as a stopgap, an he's done so at a very serviceable level. If Brown isn't the starter for the first regular-season game, it'll happen by season's end.
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Personally, I see one of the CB's being a complete bust. Which one(s) I don't know... but of all the players in the 1st round, they have the most upside as well as the most bust potential.
How about Mike Jenkins...who's already said he doesn't like to tackle in run support and is currently getting taken to school by the UDFA WR Dallas signed after the draft.
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If Brown isn't the starter for the first regular-season game, it'll happen by season's end.
I concur.
After watching 4 VT games (06 Clemson, 07 UNC, BC, KS), I'm quite positive that Brown will become a better LT than Salaam at some point. He won all 4 matchups.

He dominated Kentwan Balmer (UNC) - Balmer lined up mostly at DE in this particular game. I believe he got moved to DT.

And if we look hard at the opponents that VT faced, we'll see that Brown lined up against very good competition almost every single week.

E.Car: Marcus Hands DE (rated #34 by Walterfootball for 2009 draft)
LSU: Glenn Dorsey DE #5 pick
Tyson Jackson DE (rated #3 by Walterfootball for 2009 draft)
Kriston Pittman DE (rated #18 by Walterfootball for 2009 draft)
Al Woods DT (rated #3 by Walterfootball for 2009 draft)
Marlon favorite DT (rated #12 by Walterfootball for 2009 draft)
Ohio: Landon Cohen DE #216 pick
Jameson Hartke DT (rated #32 by Walterfootball for 2009 draft)
UNC: Kentwan Balmer DE #29
Hilee Taylor DE (rated #28 by NFLDraftcountdown) signed with Panthers
Clemson: Phillip Merling DE #32
Dorell Scott DT (rated #15 by Walterfootball for 2009 draft)
Rashaad Jackson DT (rated #33 by Walterfootball for 2009 draft)
Don't forget Gaines Adams
Duke: Vince Oghobaase DT (rated #5 by Walterfootball for 2009 draft)
BC: B.J. Raji DT (rated #14 by Walterfootball for 2009 draft)
Ga Tech: Adamm Oliver DE (rated #29 by NFLDraftcountdown)
Darrell Robertson DE (rated #15 by Walterfootball)
Michael Johnson DE (rated #1 by Walterfootball for 2009 draft)
Vance Walker DT (rated #4 by Walterfootball for 2009 draft)
Darryl Richard DT (rated #16 by Walterfootball for 2009 draft)
Fla.St.: Andre Flellen DT #87
Letroy Guion DT #152
Alex Boston DE (rated #40 by Walterfootball) signed with Jaguars
Neefy Moffett DT (rated #26 by Walterfootball for 2009 draft)
Miami: Calais Campbell DE (rated #11 by Walterfootball) signed by Cardinals
Antonio Dixon DT (rated #21 by Walterfootball for 2009 draft)
Eric Moncur DE (rated #16 by Walterfootball for 2009 draft)
Va: Chris Long DE #2
Jeffrey Fitzgerald (rated #29 by Walterfootball for 2009 draft)
KS: James McClinton DT (rated #25 by NFLDraftcountdown)
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Kubes still sounds VERY encouraged about Spencer's return, w/o the same sort of spin he uses when talking about more 'questionable' injuries. I think too many people are still hearing Capers/Casserly in their heads when injuries are being reported and not giving Kubiak the benefit of the doubt here.
Kubiak has been just as bad about spinning injuries. I think it is unlikely Spencer plays football at a high level again. Of course, few believed it when I said (months before camp) that he wouldn't be back last year. As always, time will tell.
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Was anyone else impressed with Brisiel last season when he came in? He definately didn't look too shabby for a 2006 UDFA imo. I think we may have ourselves a steal in Brisiel!!!
Yes. I thought Brisiel added a lot to the running game the games he started on the line. I honestly was hoping that he would be taking over for RG because I like his play more than Weary, but, I've never been a real big fan of Weary.

I read that Brisiel has been taking 1st team snaps. Good sign.
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I think it is unlikely Spencer plays football at a high level again.
Why would you say that?

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That is one gigantic ass.
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I dunno, I can't figure out if "Big Spence" is closer to 350 or 400 ?
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It really seems like that his left leg is significantly thinner than his right. That's not really a good sign at this point in time. Sure, it's normal to lose some density after being off the leg for so long but the man is trying to play some professional football with a gimpy leg. This isn't Finding Nemo.

I really think his career is over.
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when i saw that pick on HT.com i gulped very very loud.
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