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Old 05-06-2008   #21
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I'm not very upset about it, but I must say I would have rather had Brian Johnston with the 6th rounder rather than a SS.

THAT SAID.... I don't resent the pick at all. Rick and Gary have a proven track record, like you said, and I am happy that professionals are making the picks and not me.
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I'm guessing they like Cochran (and Kalu as a situational pass rusher) more than most people think as well.

I agree about Cochran. However, I think we'll see Chauncey Thompson off the edge this season on some 3rd and longs. He played some OLB in a 3-4 and has a lot of speed and athleticism. So, I think that a combination of Weaver, Cochran, Kalu, and Thompson should certainly have more success than last year.

Situationally, we're going to be much stronger on the DL. Having Okam for short yardage will help our interior run defense as well. Hopefully, they'll be willing to spell Okoye and make him more effective- particularly on passing downs.

I think the DL situation is pretty well set:

mario
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should be the eight linemen on the roster plus Thompson will drop down from the LB spot. I really like our depth this year. goodbye Zoniga!!
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Defensive end???? Who? What plans? 'Plans to acquire' sure sounds like a TRADE brewing somehow!
What does everybody think about a Michael Boulware for Jason Babin trade?
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Old 05-07-2008   #25
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I'm and Earl Cochran guy...

I think he's a pretty good ball player...high motor, decent athleticism...

Cochran, ND, And Thompson should provide decent pressure opposite mario...We still would be better served having one reliable player there, but I think we can roll with what we've got...
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I think it's going to be interesting to see how Okam does. That is one huge man. If he can be the two-gap tackle we;ve needed, it should make things easier on our DE's. This will be even more evident if Okoye improves in his second year. IMO, we could have a pretty formidable defensive front and with some solid LB play ( I really like how we look on paper there) maybe even make our secondary look good.
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I think it's going to be interesting to see how Okam does. That is one huge man. If he can be the two-gap tackle we;ve needed, it should make things easier on our DE's. This will be even more evident if Okoye improves in his second year. IMO, we could have a pretty formidable defensive front and with some solid LB play ( I really like how we look on paper there) maybe even make our secondary look good.
I think Okam and Okoye will make an OK duo (wow, that was bad).

Seriously, Okam should be able to take up blockers and free things up for Amobi to do his thing, keep blockers off Demeco, and help the overall play of our defense vesus the run. I wouldn't be surprised if he was logging major playing time for us sooner rather than later.
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Hmmm. ...Although.. who was that undersized rusher they were talking about? ...
Seems I recall that someone was talking about a person we were interested in during the draft that was similar in stature to Elvis Dumerville. Don't remember who though. Maybe with that clue someone else can tell you who...ROY ?
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I would add Zgonia or Maddox as the 9th DL on the roster. I cant remember if Kubes carried 9 or 10 last year?

TJ played extremly well and now actually seems like a part of the organization rather than the loner he was, and even though Okam has size I dont see him taking the starting spot. He will be in the rotaion most likely and maybe in 2-3 years could become a starter. Granted the DL roation means pretty much everyone that is active on game day gets plenty of play time.
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I would add Zgonia or Maddox as the 9th DL on the roster. I cant remember if Kubes carried 9 or 10 last year?

TJ played extremly well and now actually seems like a part of the organization rather than the loner he was, and even though Okam has size I dont see him taking the starting spot. He will be in the rotaion most likely and maybe in 2-3 years could become a starter. Granted the DL roation means pretty much everyone that is active on game day gets plenty of play time.
After stopping and thinking about it for a month or three, I'm of the opinion that TJ played extremely well compared to previous years. He STILL wasn't as much a force as his "measurables" say he should be. It seems like he's playing harder to keep his roster spot than because he has suddenly developed a passion for the game. Add to that some questionable calls against him, I wouldn't be surprised if one of our walk ons takes his roster spot for good. I'm sure he would be gone if we had any decent offers for him.
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Statistically and Consistency wise TJ was our best DT last year.

Why would we get rid of him ? That'd make no sense at this point.
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I definitely like N.D. "Karate Man" Kalu as the 3rd down/pass rusher. Weaver is our big run stopper. Hopefully we can find another Mario, who is both of those and more.



Exactly. A great D-line does more for the secondary than vice versa.
Of course the term coverage sack mean the D-Line caused the sack not the secondary.
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I was hoping to take a flyer on Tommie Blake. Guy has all the measureables to be a complete force opposite Mario if he can keep his head on.

Other then that I am guessing we'll be looking at June 1st cuts.
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Statistically and Consistency wise TJ was our best DT last year.

Why would we get rid of him ? That'd make no sense at this point.
I'd agree with this. Zgonina and Maddox are blown off the LOS more often than not. It'd be nice if Okam turns out to be a diamond in the rough.
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Of course the term coverage sack mean the D-Line caused the sack not the secondary.
It means the coverage was so good the QB had to hold on to the ball and gave time for the DL to get there.
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My thoughts

Okam may turn out to be a steal at where we got him if he wants to play and not become an attorney. He must have been better than any DE available at his pick.

Weaver and TJ will have spotlight on them this season & I expect both do much better this year.

LB should be improved even if only a little, especially if Adibi does as well as some think.

RCB is still a puzzle to me. Reeves should get start with Molden maybe doing a Bennett later. I have moved DR off my plate for now.

Dominique Barber is FS per NFL draft scout with SS/CB as 2nd position. Size is good for either. Speed not what I want but ok for the box.
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I think Okam and Okoye will make an OK duo (wow, that was bad).
Does that make our DL the Showdown at the OK Coral.

Time to wrangle us some quarterbacks.
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I think Okam and Okoye will make an OK duo (wow, that was bad).

Seriously, Okam should be able to take up blockers and free things up for Amobi to do his thing, keep blockers off Demeco, and help the overall play of our defense vesus the run. I wouldn't be surprised if he was logging major playing time for us sooner rather than later.
That's the whole Gd point about Okam. When he was sophmore Okam had a better first step than Okoye did. He's too big @ 347. If they can trim him down to 315 or lighter, that's where he needs to be. It's that first step quickness that put Okam on the map, and makes him more than just another fat guy.
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My thoughts

Okam may turn out to be a steal at where we got him if he wants to play and not become an attorney. He must have been better than any DE available at his pick.

Weaver and TJ will have spotlight on them this season & I expect both do much better this year.

LB should be improved even if only a little, especially if Adibi does as well as some think.

RCB is still a puzzle to me. Reeves should get start with Molden maybe doing a Bennett later. I have moved DR off my plate for now.

Dominique Barber is FS per NFL draft scout with SS/CB as 2nd position. Size is good for either. Speed not what I want but ok for the box.
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings...php?pyid=33308
I think Okam struggling a bit his senior season coupled with thinking about law school post NFL made his value drop to the fifth. The later I think was overblown.

My biggest question on LB if someone has a great TC does Greenwood get pushed?

I'm not sure what to expect from Molden honestly. Bennett was playing against SEC talent as opposed to who Molden faced.

TC will be a very interesting one.
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