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Old 04-27-2008   #361
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It looked like i was watching her boobs the entire interview. Not that, you know, that's a bad thing.
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Interesting column in sporting news:

http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn...c.php?t=405215

Matt Hayes is already calling Jake Long a bust, and that Duane Brown should have been the #1 pick.
Lol. Not quite the #1 pick. If so... then they shouldn't be writing articles. I don't doubt Brown's potential but I would have never thought of him as a #1 selection. Ever. Not coming from Virginia Tech. A poor offensive team.
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I thought it was a very good interview. He seems sur eof himself. I was especially impressed when he said he had things he wanted to work on (hand and rolling of hips). I think it shows that he knows he hasn't be given a free pass and will have to eanr his way.
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http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn...c.php?t=405215

Matt Hayes is already calling Jake Long a bust, and that Duane Brown should have been the #1 pick.
Heh. I was wondering when we'd start seeing the "Long is a bust" articles.

Turning Leaf: Pick No. 1, right out of the box, has all the panache of pea soup. NFL guys say Long is the prototype left tackle, a player who can have a Tony Boselli-like career. I covered Tony Boselli way back when, and trust me, Jake Long is no Tony Boselli.

Hello, West Texas A&M: Did anyone else notice how every draft expert on the planet says Long needs to improve his pass blocking? You don't use the No. 1 overall pick on a mauler still developing as a pass blocker (see: Robert Gallery) -- especially when he's protecting the most important position on the field.

Bill Polian's perfect world: Duane Brown, Virginia Tech. Texans took him with the 26th overall pick. Former tight end, huge wingspan, very athletic, nasty attitude.
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long is a bust already? the burden of #1 overall. i still can't believe mario came out on top this year. bush, young, demeco getting droy in his first year
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Ill admit that I was surprised to see Duane called in the first. I thought we were targeting Chris Williams in the first and since he was drafted ahead of us we accepted the trade down to 26. I think the Texans let the run on tackles get to them, and personally feel that a 2nd trade down still would have netted them Duane Brown. But maybe the NFL teams thought of Brown as well as we did and were prepaired to take him with a later 1 or early 2.

Sometimes you just have to stay where you are and take your man rather than trade down and end up with a guy you didnt like as much.
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Ill admit that I was surprised to see Duane called in the first. I thought we were targeting Chris Williams in the first and since he was drafted ahead of us we accepted the trade down to 26. I think the Texans let the run on tackles get to them, and personally feel that a 2nd trade down still would have netted them Duane Brown. But maybe the NFL teams thought of Brown as well as we did and were prepaired to take him with a later 1 or early 2.

Sometimes you just have to stay where you are and take your man rather than trade down and end up with a guy you didnt like as much.
Orlando Pace is getting older and coming off a season-ending injury. Considering St. Louis took an OT (Greco) in the third and an OG in the fifth (Scheuning), if Brown had been available I could see them taking him over Avery with the second pick of the second round. Smithiak not pulling the trigger at 26 would've been a gamble that could have undermined the Texans entire draft strategy. Wise move, IMO.

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Yall might think I'm crazy, but for all his Williams gifts, he's not a tough guy mentally. At the senior bowl he was abused and just seem like he didnt care. Gibbs probably interviewed the guy once and passed because of this. I like Brown because he fits their profile. Now that the texans have systems in place, their draft board looks different now. Dont worry about what people say.
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Sometimes you just have to stay where you are and take your man rather than trade down and end up with a guy you didnt like as much.
Kubiak said that this is the player that he and Gibbs wanted all along. Albert, Williams and Brown were the Ot's they had their eye on coming in to this draft. They were actually thinking of trading back up to make sure they could get Brown.
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Kubiak said that this is the player that he and Gibbs wanted all along. Albert, Williams and Brown were the Ot's they had their eye on coming in to this draft. They were actually thinking of trading back up to make sure they could get Brown.
yeah i mean there is a clear line of deliniation here...either these guys are bald faced liars or they took the guy they dearly wanted among the top 63. I mean anyone thinks Kubes and Smith lack integrity...post that. I wanna see that s%$t .

What I'm thirilled about is that Smith called the shot. He knew what teams were going to take who. And instead of panicking, he pulled the trigger on a trade and got more picks. Last time we tried that we got punked. They know what they are doing. let it go.
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yeah i mean there is a clear line of deliniation here...either these guys are bald faced liars or they took the guy they dearly wanted among the top 63. I mean anyone thinks Kubes and Smith lack integrity...post that. I wanna see that s%$t .

What I'm thirilled about is that Smith called the shot. He knew what teams were going to take who. And instead of panicking, he pulled the trigger on a trade and got more picks. Last time we tried that we got punked. They know what they are doing. let it go.
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Y'all want a gauge on Brown's athleticism?

Brown played on the punt coverage unit and occasionally made the tackle, and this is for the specials teams master, Frank Beamer.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...111001461.html

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"He wasn't the only scared one," Brown said. "I was looking around, waiting for him to make a move. If he made one move, it could have got ugly. But I just tried to use the sideline as my friend. I knew if I had him in the open field, it wouldn't have been any kind of match."
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Seems like a clean cut, well spoken kidd. Oh ya and he's pretty big too.
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I dont know if this has been posted this thread is too long and Im to tired to read it all.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09...o&confirm=true


8. Duane Brown, Virginia Tech
Height: 6-4 Weight: 315
College stats: 40 starts
Vital numbers: 5.03 40-yard dash, 24 bench reps, 4.55 short shuttle

Brown is the second-fastest rising offensive lineman in this draft as he chases Branden Albert up the board. He might be a hair short for the prototypical left tackle but he has the athleticism to get the job done. Too many players who lined up against Brown this past season have told me he was the best they faced. There are game tapes that will keep him from the first round, but O-line coaches seem to think a year of coaching and he's ready to go. Draft projection: Round 2.
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The pick was not really that far out in left field. I read about Brown climbing the draft charts a day or two before the draft. I'm no expert by any means, in fact I am a total moron, so if I was reading about him (along with Gosder Cherilus), then you can be damn sure the NFL teams had him on their boards and were ready to grab him.

Don't invest too much in the words of Todd McShay, Lance Zierlein, John Harris, etc...What did they all say about Limas Sweed? Devin Thomas? Not only were both of these guys bested in the draft by Coog receiver Donnie Avery, there wasn't a single wideout taken in the entire first round.

What about Joe Flacco? How many experts had him going in the middle of the first round before Brian Brohm?

Or Sam Baker? I don't recall his name being a consensus first round pick.
What does where a player goes have to do with how he is going to do? I'm sure everyone remembers that super-cool move the Cavs pulled off when they shocked everyone by drafting Tradgon Langdon with a lottery pick in the NBA draft. Nobody saw that coming but that ended up being a great pick..... wait...... no, it wasn't.

I think Brown went early but I've covered the entire topic on my blog. However, you can discount people's opinion all you want but John Harris also pointed out how Alex Gibbs 1st round tackle, George Foster, has been a bust and was even dealt from Denver. I trust in Alex Gibbs the coach but I have seen many a quality coach fail in the area of evaluation. Do we not remember Dom Capers - one of the most respected 3-4 defensive minds in history? He felt like the Texans needed Travis Johnson, had to re-sign Gary Walker and must move up for Jason Babin. Coaching and evaluation are often mutually exclusive. That's all I'm saying.

With all of this said, I'm not sure Brown would have gotten past #30.
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What does where a player goes have to do with how he is going to do? I'm sure everyone remembers that super-cool move the Cavs pulled off when they shocked everyone by drafting Tradgon Langdon with a lottery pick in the NBA draft. Nobody saw that coming but that ended up being a great pick..... wait...... no, it wasn't.

I think Brown went early but I've covered the entire topic on my blog. However, you can discount people's opinion all you want but John Harris also pointed out how Alex Gibbs 1st round tackle, George Foster, has been a bust and was even dealt from Denver. I trust in Alex Gibbs the coach but I have seen many a quality coach fail in the area of evaluation. Do we not remember Dom Capers - one of the most respected 3-4 defensive minds in history? He felt like the Texans needed Travis Johnson, had to re-sign Gary Walker and must move up for Jason Babin. Coaching and evaluation are often mutually exclusive. That's all I'm saying.

With all of this said, I'm not sure Brown would have gotten past #30.
As fans though it's more enjoyable to hope for the best ... not blindly ... like five years ... but let's get him on the field and we'll see .
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I think Brown went early but I've covered the entire topic on my blog. However, you can discount people's opinion all you want but John Harris also pointed out how Alex Gibbs 1st round tackle, George Foster, has been a bust and was even dealt from Denver.
That George Foster was Alex Gibbs' selection in the 2003 draft is a pretty big assumption. One, Foster was nothing like the ZBS prototypical lineman that Gibbs favored, small & athletic. Two, Gibbs was a part-time coach at Denver in 2003. Then he left the Broncos to join the Falcons in '04. That Gibbs was instrumental in Foster's selection and development isn't well founded. And even if the Foster pick received Gibbs' blessing in '03, Gibbs has obviously gone back to his comfort zone with Duane Brown.

I'm always suspicious of the sacks allowed stat. Watching one of the networks video highlights on Duane Brown, a sack by the defender engaged by Brown was shown. The implication was that this was a sack allowed by Brown, that he had quit on the block. What they didn't say was that the QB took a 3 step drop. The ball was supposed to be out well before the pass rusher completely circled Brown and found the QB. As we've seen in the past here in Houston, sometimes the sack allowed belongs to the QB.

Regarding technique, clearly Brown will have to be broken down and built up by Gibbs and Benton. But, they would have to do the same with Ryan Clady or Chris Williams. Think about all the work that would have to be done with Branden Albert, who had a total of 2 games at LT his entire career.

If Duane Brown becomes an accomplished LT, this wouldn't be the first time that John Harris was wrong on a prospect. He was calling Reggie Bush the best player in college football as a freshman. Everyone makes mistakes. Some of us are just more willing to side with Alex Gibbs opinion than internet scouts, like John Harris or Todd McShay.
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That George Foster was Alex Gibbs' selection in the 2003 draft is a pretty big assumption. One, Foster was nothing like the ZBS prototypical lineman that Gibbs favored, small & athletic. Two, Gibbs was a part-time coach at Denver in 2003. Then he left the Broncos to join the Falcons in '04. That Gibbs was instrumental in Foster's selection and development isn't well founded. And even if the Foster pick received Gibbs' blessing in '03, Gibbs has obviously gone back to his comfort zone with Duane Brown.

I'm always suspicious of the sacks allowed stat. Watching one of the networks video highlights on Duane Brown, a sack by the defender engaged by Brown was shown. The implication was that this was a sack allowed by Brown, that he had quit on the block. What they didn't say was that the QB took a 3 step drop. The ball was supposed to be out well before the pass rusher completely circled Brown and found the QB. As we've seen in the past here in Houston, sometimes the sack allowed belongs to the QB.

Regarding technique, clearly Brown will have to be broken down and built up by Gibbs and Benton. But, they would have to do the same with Ryan Clady or Chris Williams. Think about all the work that would have to be done with Branden Albert, who had a total of 2 games at LT his entire career.

If Duane Brown becomes an accomplished LT, this wouldn't be the first time that John Harris was wrong on a prospect. He was calling Reggie Bush the best player in college football as a freshman. Everyone makes mistakes. Some of us are just more willing to side with Alex Gibbs opinion than internet scouts, like John Harris or Todd McShay.
Nice points.

Check out what Peter King said at the time with the George Foster pick:

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Default Re: Duane Brown: First Round pick of the Texans

FINALLY... some real expert opinions on Brown!!

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