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Old 04-26-2008   #261
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With all the internet research I've done on this guy tonight, nobody had this guy as a first round talent. So basically, what did we end up with from today. Three 3rd round draft pick in the 2008 draft instead of a 1st and a 3rd round pick.
My surprise pick of round one. The Niners have a ton of needs but they are going to be looking for an offensive lineman very early and I've been told that Brown is a strong possibility for them, either here or at #39. If they don't grab him in round one I don't think he'd make it to their next pick and they probably realize that too, which is why they pull the trigger here. A former tight end, Brown is a fantastic athlete with experience at both left and right tackle and in the last month before the draft he has been flying up draft boards all around the league. I am out on a limb with this one...

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/sub/mockdraft2.html

Scott from NFLDC has him going to #29 slot in his final mock. I consider NFLDC the best draft site and trust Scott judgements.

I admit, from reading Duane Brown scouting reports, that I wouldn't consider him a 1st round pick. I mean they said he was similar to Brandon Frye, a 5th round pick, so I am sort of worry that he won't pan out. But so far Smith/Kubiak haven't done anything to make me question their decisions.
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...he was not picked to play in MOST nfl offenses he was targeted for the Zone Scheme....considering we have no second round pick...
You miss the point. The fact that he's a zone guy is the reason there are fewer teams interested in him. Less teams interested in him means lower draft value, which means he falls past most spots. With Denver taking an LT first round, that's one more team out of the running. Similar to Otah not being a zone scheme player, but there are more teams that can plug him into their schemes.

The second round pick comes with trading down and picking up another 4th or 3rd round pick. Drop down another 10/12 picks, add a prospect.

Not a huge deal, but there was value there that was not realized.
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Found Kubiak, Smith, and McNair's thoughts VERY intersting.

Recap of what went on:
McNair- Brown is very athletic and a solid HEALTHY player, not all the LT's they looked at were this healthy. (hints of Williams?)

Kubiak/Smith- Gibbs was nonstop talking/gooing over Brown for the past 6 weeks, perfect player for us, they WERE targeting HIM. discussions throughout the day with Baltimore and called them leading up to our #18 (I assume right after Albert was taken). Sounds like Kubiak/Gibbs really wanted Brown but Smith was pushing the trade down for him. Traded down, everybody nervous... Brown was available for us and Kubiak was extatic. We got a call with 1 minute left on the clock (at #26) and Kubiak said "don't answer that phone", Smith got an offer to move down some more and he respectfully declined the offer.
I'm really excited.
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You miss the point. The fact that he's a zone guy is the reason there are fewer teams interested in him. Less teams interested in him means lower draft value, which means he falls past most spots. With Denver taking an LT first round, that's one more team out of the running. Similar to Otah not being a zone scheme player, but there are more teams that can plug him into their schemes.

The second round pick comes with trading down and picking up another 4th or 3rd round pick. Drop down another 10/12 picks, add a prospect.

Not a huge deal, but there was value there that was not realized.
A former tight end, Brown is a fantastic athlete with experience at both left and right tackle and in the last month before the draft he has been flying up draft boards all around the league. I am out on a limb with this one...

from the post above yours.

He was already consider a 2nd round prospect that was moving up the draft boards, and was actually in some mock draft this past week going in the late 20s.

btw, if this draft wasn't so stocked with LT, where do you think DB76 would be ranked? Let's say if Williams, Otah, and Cherilus wasn't in the draft. I think he might of been consensus 1st round, with people having him go in the top 25.
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Found Kubiak, Smith, and McNair's thoughts VERY intersting.

Recap of what went on:
McNair- Brown is very athletic and a solid HEALTHY player, not all the LT's they looked at were this healthy. (hints of Williams?)

Kubiak/Smith- Gibbs was nonstop talking/gooing over Brown for the past 6 weeks, perfect player for us, they WERE targeting HIM. discussions throughout the day with Baltimore and called them leading up to our #18 (I assume right after Albert was taken). Sounds like Kubiak/Gibbs really wanted Brown but Smith was pushing the trade down for him. Traded down, everybody nervous... Brown was available for us and Kubiak was extatic. We got a call with 1 minute left on the clock (at #26) and Kubiak said "don't answer that phone", Smith got an offer to move down some more and he respectfully declined the offer.
I'm really excited.
Is there a video or audio of this online?
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He was already consider a 2nd round prospect that was moving up the draft boards, and was actually in some mock draft this past week going in the late 20s.
McClain's final mock had Pittsburgh taking Duane Brown at #23. Very insightful of Mr. McClain...


Also, regarding Arm Lengths...

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=48873

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Top Ten Offensive Tackles ranked by arm length:

T-1.Godser Cherilus 35"

T-1.Carl Nicks 35"

T-3.Jeff Otah 34 5/8"

T-3.Anthony Collins 34"

5. Branden Albert 33 5/8"

6. Duane Brown 33 2/8"

T-7.Ryan Clady 33 1/8"

T-7.Sam Baker 33 1/8"

T-9.Chris Williams 32 7/8"

T-9.Jake Long 32 7/8"



For Comparison: (Thanks to Hoth-Boy, Lucky)

1. Alex Barron 37 6/8"

2. D'Brickashaw Ferguson 35 4/8"

3. Marcus McNeill 35 3/8"

4. Levi Brown 34 3/8"

5. Joe Thomas 32 4/8" and 33 2/8"

6. Robert Gallery 31"
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Just some points I'd like to make about this pick. Some of them may have been made already in this thread but I'd like to put them together and put my name on them regardless. This is what I think.

I didn't like the pick and I'm still not sure I "believe" just yet. Despite the fact that entirely different brain trusts ran the two drafts I had a distinct "Travis Johnson Feeling" with this pick. That time I wanted Derrick Johnson, saw him fall to us, and then saw the Texans trade down and lose him. This time I wanted Rashard Mendenhall and again saw him fall to us before the Texans traded down and saw him picked three selections before our new spot.

The situations are different but I still have bad feelings about that draft so I'm trying not to let that affect my judgement here.

I've read a lot about how this guy gave up 8.5 sacks last season and I understand how it's hard to look at that and not think it was significant. I think it isn't as big a deal as it's being made out to be however. They allowed 54 sacks total last year and that means that apart from the sacks Brown allowed this group managed to get their QB sacked 45.5 times. They were not a good unit. That much is obvious.

Brown was starting at LT for the first time last season. He was brought over from the right side where he'd played the two previous seasons. He's only been an OT for three years total.

First time starters at LT give up sacks. I'm glad he got his first experience there in college and not protecting the Texans QB like Charles Spencer did. Remember Spencer was a LG who was undergoing the transition to LT when he was injured. Arguably converting Spencer to LT was a more ambitious project than the reach for Brown will be. I expect him to give up some more sacks when he gets to Houston (if he's our starting LT). Chester Pitts was a LT in college and promptly gave up (I believe) something along the lines of 10-11 sacks in 2002. Seth Wand gave up a few more than Chester in his first year in the NFL.

I think that Brown is going to have to adjust to the speed of the NFL (like everybody) and I think that we'll go into the season with Salaam starting. Brown won't start until the coaches think he's ready to start.

I see people commenting on his strength and I think the Texans will have him in the weight room on a regular basis. Nobody comes to Houston and stays weak. I think this will be taken care of. I see comments about his work ethic and I think that Alex Gibbs is well known as a tough coach who gets results. I somehow don't think that Mr. Brown is going to have much luck not doing the work here while he's reporting to Gibbs.

Finally I am thinking that I don't really even believe that I can be sure he'll play LT for us. Until the Texans get to camp and see what they have in Charles Spencer I don't think we can just assume that he's the starting LT. If Spencer comes back and can do the work then he might very well have something to say about who gets that starting LT salary. I'm not ready to rule anything out yet and I mean that. I would not be stunned to see Eric Winston back over on the left side if he turns out to be our best option there. I wouldn't be shocked if Chester Pitts gets another look either.

I'm not saying that I think any of this will happen necessarily. I'm just saying that we might have just seen our new "nasty" LG drafted and not known it. We just won't know until they get to camp and start working.

I'm in the "give them the benefit of the doubt" camp on this right now. That could change. I'm not going to get down on this draft until we see what happens tomorrow. If Mendenhall does some kind of Adrian Peterson impersonation next year and runs all over everyone (including us in week 1) on his way to a rookie of the year award then this is going to be a tough one to swallow.
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Is there a video or audio of this online?
Let me track it down... and I'll post it here.

http://www.houstontexans.com/tv/

Main website -> Texans TV -> "Texans' Brass Addresses Pick"

great watch
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Brown's NFL Scouting Combine workout up on Texans TV now:

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Thanks guys, I'll watch it after the rockets game.
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I like this one better:

Kiper says not a reach and Mooch says its a Gibbs pick so get out of his way!


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Finally I am thinking that I don't really even believe that I can be sure he'll play LT for us. Until the Texans get to camp and see what they have in Charles Spencer I don't think we can just assume that he's the starting LT. If Spencer comes back and can do the work then he might very well have something to say about who gets that starting LT salary. I'm not ready to rule anything out yet and I mean that. I would not be stunned to see Eric Winston back over on the left side if he turns out to be our best option there. I wouldn't be shocked if Chester Pitts gets another look either.

I'm not saying that I think any of this will happen necessarily. I'm just saying that we might have just seen our new "nasty" LG drafted and not known it. We just won't know until they get to camp and start working.

I'm in the "give them the benefit of the doubt" camp on this right now. That could change. I'm not going to get down on this draft until we see what happens tomorrow. If Mendenhall does some kind of Adrian Peterson impersonation next year and runs all over everyone (including us in week 1) on his way to a rookie of the year award then this is going to be a tough one to swallow.

hes our LT believe it.. 100% garunteed
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I didn't like the pick and I'm still not sure I "believe" just yet. Despite the fact that entirely different brain trusts ran the two drafts I had a distinct "Travis Johnson Feeling" with this pick. That time I wanted Derrick Johnson, saw him fall to us, and then saw the Texans trade down and lose him. This time I wanted Rashard Mendenhall and again saw him fall to us before the Texans traded down and saw him picked three selections before our new spot.
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I am happy with the pick, actually. I have long wanted a LT, and if this is who Gibbs wanted, by God, give the man what he wants. I also don't care if it's considered a reach. I was hoping they would take Sam Baker when they traded back, which many would have called a reach. Well, Baker went ahead of Brown. So those aspects don't bother me about it.

The only part that really bothers me about it is I felt like they could have picked up a second rounder, even if it meant swapping later round picks in the process.

But hey, we got a first round left tackle. Sign me up.
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Allright, allright.

I was pissed off at first. Overreacted. Thought they reached. But after I watched the interviews, I really believe this was their guy. And if so, and they got extra picks, Awesome. They've done good in the past, and i overreacted, and I'm now behind it.

Duane, welcome to Houston...I wish you the best.

In kubiak and smith we trust.

Again, I was pissed, and overreacted. I got over it.
way to man up... i don't mind you showing displeasure, but you did overreact. a real man owns up to his shit though. much respect.
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Just some points I'd like to make about this pick. Some of them may have been made already in this thread but I'd like to put them together and put my name on them regardless. This is what I think.

I didn't like the pick and I'm still not sure I "believe" just yet. Despite the fact that entirely different brain trusts ran the two drafts I had a distinct "Travis Johnson Feeling" with this pick. That time I wanted Derrick Johnson, saw him fall to us, and then saw the Texans trade down and lose him. This time I wanted Rashard Mendenhall and again saw him fall to us before the Texans traded down and saw him picked three selections before our new spot.

The situations are different but I still have bad feelings about that draft so I'm trying not to let that affect my judgement here.

I've read a lot about how this guy gave up 8.5 sacks last season and I understand how it's hard to look at that and not think it was significant. I think it isn't as big a deal as it's being made out to be however. They allowed 54 sacks total last year and that means that apart from the sacks Brown allowed this group managed to get their QB sacked 45.5 times. They were not a good unit. That much is obvious.

Brown was starting at LT for the first time last season. He was brought over from the right side where he'd played the two previous seasons. He's only been an OT for three years total.

First time starters at LT give up sacks. I'm glad he got his first experience there in college and not protecting the Texans QB like Charles Spencer did. Remember Spencer was a LG who was undergoing the transition to LT when he was injured. Arguably converting Spencer to LT was a more ambitious project than the reach for Brown will be. I expect him to give up some more sacks when he gets to Houston (if he's our starting LT). Chester Pitts was a LT in college and promptly gave up (I believe) something along the lines of 10-11 sacks in 2002. Seth Wand gave up a few more than Chester in his first year in the NFL.

I think that Brown is going to have to adjust to the speed of the NFL (like everybody) and I think that we'll go into the season with Salaam starting. Brown won't start until the coaches think he's ready to start.

I see people commenting on his strength and I think the Texans will have him in the weight room on a regular basis. Nobody comes to Houston and stays weak. I think this will be taken care of. I see comments about his work ethic and I think that Alex Gibbs is well known as a tough coach who gets results. I somehow don't think that Mr. Brown is going to have much luck not doing the work here while he's reporting to Gibbs.

Finally I am thinking that I don't really even believe that I can be sure he'll play LT for us. Until the Texans get to camp and see what they have in Charles Spencer I don't think we can just assume that he's the starting LT. If Spencer comes back and can do the work then he might very well have something to say about who gets that starting LT salary. I'm not ready to rule anything out yet and I mean that. I would not be stunned to see Eric Winston back over on the left side if he turns out to be our best option there. I wouldn't be shocked if Chester Pitts gets another look either.

I'm not saying that I think any of this will happen necessarily. I'm just saying that we might have just seen our new "nasty" LG drafted and not known it. We just won't know until they get to camp and start working.

I'm in the "give them the benefit of the doubt" camp on this right now. That could change. I'm not going to get down on this draft until we see what happens tomorrow. If Mendenhall does some kind of Adrian Peterson impersonation next year and runs all over everyone (including us in week 1) on his way to a rookie of the year award then this is going to be a tough one to swallow.
this is our new LT, no ifs, ands, or buts about it.
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Why are you inside my head?

As mentioned in the thread these were different staffs. Keep in mind since Kubiak took over even operating with casserly our drafts have been above average.

The common thread in our last two drafts is Kubiak, people act as thought casserly suddenly made wise decisions two years ago with Williams, Ryans and Daniel et al bit the fact is he picked the players the coaches asked for. Maybe that was hois down fall in previous years was that Capers and Co. could not find diamonds in the rough like Kubiak and his staff. Now Kubiak has another coach on his staff highly regarded as an Oline talent and scheme guru so some doubt is justified, but the staff that made this pick should provide some cofidence as well.
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We won't know until the fall. But I have faith in Gibbs. If this was Gibbs' guy, and Kubes and Smith green lighted it, I think we're gonna' like this guy.
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hes our LT believe it.. 100% garunteed
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this is our new LT, no ifs, ands, or buts about it.


I do believe it. I think that with Gibbs that our starting LT will be the best player we have for the job and nobody else. My comments about what wouldn't surprise me were about how our previous regime would draft someone or sign someone and the job was theirs whether they applied themselves or not, whether they were a good fit or not.

If Brown is all the worst things in all the articles linked in this thread and he busts then he won't be our starting LT under Kubiak and Gibbs. If he can't cut it regardless of the coaching then he won't be our starting LT. If they leave Spencer at OT (as the swing tackle) and he beats Brown out of the job then Brown won't be our starting LT.

Believe that and I'm happy to say it's also 100% guaranteed.
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