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Old 02-27-2005   #61
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I think Capers is doing a good job thus far. I agree that some of the playcalling is not up to par, but I put alot of the blame on the offensive coordinator, Palmer, not Capers. Granted that he is the head coach, he still has to stand by his offensive coordinator. They'll get better next year. As you can see, they are improving yearly, so give him a chance.
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You're kidding right. How is Capers motivating this team? With stats?

Palmer and Fangio are both problems but it is more noticeable with Palmer because Fangio has Capers to rely on because of his defensive past. Capers is an defensive cordinator wearing a head coaching hat. Without an outstanding oc that hat will never fit. Capers is clueless about offense (except how to stop one) and that leaves Palmer to continue making bonehead play calls.
Well lets see, where do I start. While I was talking to Corey Bradford last summer he was telling me how much all of the players liked him and not to mention all of the things I have heard around the league about the guy I would say he gets a lot out of his players. If you want to put the blame on him then you have a valid point because he is the HC. In my opinion he is doing a damn good job with an expansion team, be it 4th year now, with a bunch of rookies starting every year. I think the coordinators are the problem but then again maybe it isn't. How can anyone blame stuff on the coaches when you don't know what play was called or what package was put in. I put a lot of the blame on the players along with the coaching. I also put blame on the team as a whole due to inexperience. Don't come questioning me about my opinion, which by the way looks to be a popular belief not only on here but on 610 and 790.
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I only have one major problem with the Caper supporters and that is about
the question of time---4,5,6 plus years---how much time does Capers get
to put a winning team on the field? Each year, so far, we hear more and
more excuses why the team can't do this or that but is 'on target' to win.
OK, so give a definitive answer- how many years does Capers get?

From what I'm hearing, there is a 'rollover' answer that is in effect that
grows each year as excuses are made why expectations are around the
corner, just a little more time needed to get there--Capers got 4 years in
Carolina that included a 12-4 season (17 wins first 2 years)--so please,
if we continue to lose or get to 8-8, when will enough be enough?
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I only have one major problem with the Caper supporters and that is about
the question of time---4,5,6 plus years---how much time does Capers get
to put a winning team on the field?
Did you honestly expect a playoff run in years one and two of an expansion team? It's not like he has had a roster full of playoff caliber veterans around here in the start up years. You posture your posts as if we failed to make an expected Super Bowl run and are dissapointed. I for one am glad that we are not firing Capers like the Browns fired their HC after 3 years.
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"Did you honestly expect a playoff run in years one and two of an expansion team?"

No, I did not. Do you think we will have a winning team (not playoff) next
year or the year after?
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"Did you honestly expect a playoff run in years one and two of an expansion team?"

No, I did not. Do you think we will have a winning team (not playoff) next
year or the year after?
Absolutely. If our #1 pick performs as well as our other 4 firsts, I'd put my money on this year over next.
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Replying to people that say its our Coordiantors job .

As a head coach you assume all responsibility for the teams performance on sunday (Giving respect to talent and injuries). With that being said . . . if your the head coach and if any aspect of the team is not getting it done it is their job to fix it. Its the same thing as in real-life. When people want explanations for what happens to their team, store, franchise, business, shopping centers, etc. the first person/people they ask are the ones in charge with them on an every-day basis. They don't ask the employees, players, register operators, assistant managers, coordiantors, or owners. THEY ASK THE PERSON/PEOPLE IN CHARGE!! Their going to ask the head coach because its his responsibility to get the job done and done right. If his right hand man aint cutting it its the HC job to fix it by what-ever means neccesary.
If our coordinators are doing a bad job then he has to work with them or make a decision to look for someone who can fill it. That's not just my opinion but its a fact of life. The top dawg needs to address the issues and if they don't the owners will find someone that will. Its sucks sometimes but thats just the way it is.
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Absolutely. If our #1 pick performs as well as our other 4 firsts, I'd put my money on this year over next.
if, a word that says it all...
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funny.. For those that thinks Jimmy Johnson was a great coach

the drafted Irving in 1988 then Aikman in 89....Then won a super bowl in 1992

that is 4 years with an Established team and a HUGE trade (thanks Minnesota)

I am not saying Capers is Jimmy and not saying we will be in the Super Bowl this year but just saying that it does take some time to build a team from scratch and even JJ took a couple of years to get his team going.
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"funny.. For those that thinks Jimmy Johnson was a great coach"

I've never mentioned JJ but he had a horrible 1st year of 1-15, much better
2nd year of 7-9, great 3rd year of 11-5 and we know the rest...not sure
what this has to do with Capers. Also, I'm just looking for a winning record,
and a sustaining of a winning record. If we get to a Super Bowl. for me,
that's a bonus. The question is can we win with Capers?
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"funny.. For those that thinks Jimmy Johnson was a great coach"

I've never mentioned JJ but he had a horrible 1st year of 1-15, much better
2nd year of 7-9, great 3rd year of 11-5 and we know the rest...not sure
what this has to do with Capers. Also, I'm just looking for a winning record,
and a sustaining of a winning record. If we get to a Super Bowl. for me,
that's a bonus. The question is can we win with Capers?
I never said you mentioned JJ My point is IMO Jimmy Johnson was a good coach and it took him 3 years to get the cowboys to the playoffs and eventually the superbowl... this was with an established team and a huge trade to get players and draft picks and with that it took them some time to get the team going.

what is your reason that we can't win with capers.. I have yet to read specifics on why people think Capers can't do it.. After all he took Carolina to the NFC Championship game... We are trying to play the same type of game as Jeff Fisher or even a Bill cowher .. which is strong defense, Ball control offense with a good running game and an occassional deep pass.

I'll give you my reasons why I think Capers is ok right now.
we have drafted well (and thanks also to CC)
our youngsters are learning and should get better.
We have had bad luck with injuries (Boselli,Payne, Walker, Glenn) over the years ..now all teams have injuries, it just hurts us more because there is such a difference in 1st team to 2nd team (the gap is narrowing finally)
Offensively.. with a few more pieces we should be the type that can play smash mouth or air it out (we need interior line ,RB, TE, #2 WR or one of our other guys step up)
Defensively we have a fairly good secondary and LB's ... Need to add a few pieces IMO.. LB to take formans place,NT and another CB and we need Walker to regain his form.

Special teams ... aren't bad.. Could use an upgrade over Moses (yet he is solid and doesn't hurt us)

to be fair on why I might think Capers can't do it?
If Carr doesn't trust his OL so that he can actually step up into the pocket..(they have to give him a pocket) and he lost all confidence..
Defense... As yall dislike Palmer... (which I think is unjust,but that is another story) .. I think Fangio's defense has been a disappointment .. given that this is a veteran group and overall much more talented than the offense was with Coleman,Glenn, Walker, Payne,Sharper and the rookie DR... That is 4 ex probowlers and 2very close probowlers... Granted not everyone made the probowl every year, but these are probowl caliber players... If Palmer had that talent and we play like we do now, I would be all over for Palmers head.. I mean give our offense 5 more caliber players besides AJ and see how good we could be .. and if we had that and a 7-9 record, I'd say fire capers then.

being we dont' i don't understand why some fans are so impatient.. We get the OL fixed and then see how this offense goes.. I doubt it would be so predictable. Do I like getting beat by the colts? No, I scream at the TV.. but I also realize that we are still in the teen years and still growning even as frustrating it is at times.
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Uhhh? If an NFL expansion team coach can't make the playoffs in 4yrs he is a loser and should be fired. Does this sound right? Not to me. If the Texans had built with high priced FA's that would be one thing, but they didnt. Do the young Texans already need a coaching change to revitalize the team?? Is there a year in which the Texans have not improved there record? Yet, the deadline has been drawn to THIS YEAR? I think we need a reality check. The NFL is more complicated than "4yrs or your out". Injuries and how the Texans players perform on the field should matter more than magic year numbers. As it turned out, the Texans missed the playoffs as a result of DD's early fumble trouble. Trouble he had NEVER had a history of. Anybody started a fire DD thread recently?
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As it turned out, the Texans missed the playoffs as a result of DD's early fumble trouble.
Wow, talk about an oversimplification.
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Wow, talk about an oversimplification.
I guess my point is the Texans have been in a position to win in most of the games they played last year. The answer to winning will be the players executing in critical situations not a sweeping coaching change. Im still hoping for a little respect from the officials too. Maybe next year.
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