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Old 02-20-2008   #41
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We've never drafted a free safety before. We've drafted our share of strong safeties: Ramon Walker, Glenn Earl, CC Brown and then this past year we drafted Brandon Harrison.
Harrison was drafted to be a FS, although he did play more at SS in college (except Stanford doesn't have traditional SS and FS distinctions). Ramon Walker played FS his last year of college.
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I don't know, that 2.5 million dead cap next year would be a pain. I may be alone in this, but I'd like to see Green in a Texans uni this season. The cap room might be able to help us, but IMO it's not worth screwing us over next year. Plus, I think that Green can contribute, IF he stays healthy, and I know, that's a pretty big assumption since Green is always injured. I just see positives of keeping Green outweighes the positives of releasing him and losing all that cap space.
You're not alone in that. Nobody in FA really jumps out at me and I'm not really interested in Turner. I'm personally 50-50 on keeping Dayne. Got to give Dayne a decent workload or else he's not really productive IMO. At this point in Green's Career good third down back who'd be good on screens.

I hope Walker catches on here again next year. Everyone wants the homerun back but that's what I think going over the top with WR is for myself. I personally want a guy who can pick up the blitz, recognizes cut backs & running lanes, knows when to be an escape valve and homerun speed is icing on the cake to me. I
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I'm excited to see what Harrison can do, very smart player.
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Further, Demps is not a good fit here. Believe the mockers boards if you want. I sat up and watched the guy turn in three mediocre preformances in the wee hours of the morning. Athlete...yes. Football player ....no. he's going to blow the drills away next tuesday...buyer beware.
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You're not alone in that. Nobody in FA really jumps out at me and I'm not really interested in Turner. I'm personally 50-50 on keeping Dayne. Got to give Dayne a decent workload or else he's not really productive IMO. At this point in Green's Career good third down back who'd be good on screens.

I hope Walker catches on here again next year. Everyone wants the homerun back but that's what I think going over the top with WR is for myself. I personally want a guy who can pick up the blitz, recognizes cut backs & running lanes, knows when to be an escape valve and homerun speed is icing on the cake to me. I
A good scouting department can find you those creatures on the second day. What's that fellas name up in Green Bay...Grant ?
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You're not alone in that. Nobody in FA really jumps out at me and I'm not really interested in Turner. I'm personally 50-50 on keeping Dayne. Got to give Dayne a decent workload or else he's not really productive IMO. At this point in Green's Career good third down back who'd be good on screens.

I hope Walker catches on here again next year. Everyone wants the homerun back but that's what I think going over the top with WR is for myself. I personally want a guy who can pick up the blitz, recognizes cut backs & running lanes, knows when to be an escape valve and homerun speed is icing on the cake to me. I
I'm going to do you one better.....I think Green will be VERY productive next year. Nay-say all you want, I think he will surprise a lot of people and be a big part of our offense. Put me on record!
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I don't know, that 2.5 million dead cap next year would be a pain. I may be alone in this, but I'd like to see Green in a Texans uni this season. The cap room might be able to help us, but IMO it's not worth screwing us over next year. Plus, I think that Green can contribute, IF he stays healthy, and I know, that's a pretty big assumption since Green is always injured. I just see positives of keeping Green outweighes the positives of releasing him and losing all that cap space.
We need help now. $2.5 dead $ is drop in bucket as we get more fiscally responsible with Chris Olsen doing contracts. $4 million can bring on a decent back up and we know what Smith can do. I say use the $4m now.

Green could be a 1000 yarder but do we take that chance? Do we draft a Stewart or Mendenhall or Forte and let that person be the man? We gambled with Green and lost. I hope someone offers something to take Green off our hands.
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I don't think we'd take a strong safety after taking a FS in the 4th and knowing we took a SS in the 5th or was it 6th round last year. Plus you've got a Brandon Mitchell from last year that got injured, Glenn Earl, etc. If we want to address SS we need to do it early, or we are just canceling out an old draft pick.

Demps would be a nice addition at FS. We've never drafted a free safety before. Check that, we drafted Jamaal Lord out of Nebraska as a FS prospect. Too bad he was a QB in college, and did not contribute. We've drafted our share of strong safeties: Ramon Walker, Glenn Earl, CC Brown and then this past year we drafted Brandon Harrison.

Glenn Earl in the fourth round is the highest selected safety of this franchise. CC Brown in the 6th round was the best value, and he was the most productive. I know that's painfully true on all three accounts.
Most people have not been satisfied with our safeties. I did not post this but if Earl is not resigned; CC Brown is tendered but we get a draft pick as he is signed by another team; Boulaware is signed only through 2008; Demps may be heading elsewhere; that leaves us basically with Boulaware, Brandon Mitchell whom we know little about, Harrison whom I like but remains a ? and 5'8" 198 s/cb Jason Simmons. Hutchins a UFA can play FS but I have him as a nickle CB. A SS is then a possibility. Personally I think CC and Earl will be re-signed.
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I'm going to do you one better.....I think Green will be VERY productive next year. Nay-say all you want, I think he will surprise a lot of people and be a big part of our offense. Put me on record!
I got you on record but I think you are going around and around. Look, I'm not against Green, but can we afford another year at risk with him? Almost like waiting for Mathis to grow up. May not happen.
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We need help now. $2.5 dead $ is drop in bucket as we get more fiscally responsible with Chris Olsen doing contracts. $4 million can bring on a decent back up and we know what Smith can do. I say use the $4m now.

Green could be a 1000 yarder but do we take that chance? Do we draft a Stewart or Mendenhall or Forte and let that person be the man? We gambled with Green and lost. I hope someone offers something to take Green off our hands.
I don't think we've lost on Green just yet. After watching Kubiaks video on chron.com, he solidified my thoughts about Green being here next season. He seemed highly confident Green will be here. He also seems to still be optimistic about Chris Taylor.

FWIW, he didn't mention Dayne at all.
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I don't think we've lost on Green just yet. After watching Kubiaks video on chron.com, he solidified my thoughts about Green being here next season. He seemed highly confident Green will be here. He also seems to still be optimistic about Chris Taylor.

FWIW, he didn't mention Dayne at all.
yeah but is he bringing the company line on a very expensive bust? He also indicated RB was a position that needed upgrade as he did with LT. You can also look at Green like Mario who was hurt and then had a great season. I'm not looking at Green that way. Hope I'm wrong if we keep him.
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After what happened with DD/W I am worried about putting too much faith in an injuried RB. I do not want the same running game we have had for the last two seasons. I liked DD/W. I like Green and I like Dayne but we need more production out of the RB spot. It would keep the D's more honest and take away some of the 3 runs from the one and kick a field goal garbage we sat through last season. If we don't get a high draft pick RB we need to get a 1st round O-lineman to open bigger holes.

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Why has the thread title changed?

It led me to believe that we actually released these guys. I scanned through the entire thread again, just to see if I was on crack, and I don't see where it says that these guys are "out."

I'm confused. (No cheap shots, please....)
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Why has the thread title changed?

It led me to believe that we actually released these guys. I scanned through the entire thread again, just to see if I was on crack, and I don't see where it says that these guys are "out."

I'm confused. (No cheap shots, please....)
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http://www.houstontexans.com/news/St...?story_id=4190

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I'm going to do you one better.....I think Green will be VERY productive next year. Nay-say all you want, I think he will surprise a lot of people and be a big part of our offense. Put me on record!
Put me down for that as well. What little he played, he sure had "burst".
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I would love to have a great running back on the team that wows the crowd and petrifies the defenses. but honestly with Drob out and no real FS I think we need to concentrate on the glaring issues, secondary and LT to me, are the main offseason concerns we should be looking at. just my 2 cents.
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32 scouting departments missed Grant on the second day in '05. He wasn't drafted.

I'll go on record as saying Ahman Green isn't on the 53 opening week.
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32 scouting departments missed Grant on the second day in '05. He wasn't drafted.

I'll go on record as saying Ahman Green isn't on the 53 opening week.
Ok. Now really go out on a limb and tell us what Texans will do with RB corps. Draft (where and whom) or free agency. Make me proud of you aj!
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