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Old 02-07-2005   #21
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I think our first two picks should be D-line and O-line. Those are the weakest areas of the team. Then we can address other weaknesses in the 3rd round like WR and TE.
I think one of those 3rd rounders should go to an ILB (of course all depending on BPA). Either a 3rd or the 4th and the other one used on the speed WR
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Old 02-07-2005   #22
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It's tough to patience when your franchise QB is getting murdered. However, the addition of the new zone blocking scheme and to new starters on the left side was a HUGE developmental move by our team.

Wand should be greatly improved, as will Pitts this year. They could potentially be the Matthews and Steinkuhler(sp) that some of us remember.

If we really are worried, then maybe we consider signing Brad Hopkins for a couple of years to tutor/cover LT while Wand continues to develop.
Put down the pipe. Matthews is one of the all time greats, and Steinkuhler might have been as well if it weren't for injuries. Pitts and Wand together couldn't hold Bruce Matthews jock on his worst day.
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ILB is another area of concern. Perhaps we should address WR in FA and draft an ILB and TE with our 3rd rounders.
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The Oilers had one of the greatest guard tandems ever . Matthews and Munchak did'nt take a backseat to anyone .
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Wand was the youngest, most inexperienced member of last year's line- yet, he wasn't the problem. At LT, you're generally going to give up higher sack totals. Interestingly, the coaches almost never rotated help to his side or even chip with a back. I guess that's a good indication that they have confidence in his abilities... or, they have even less confidence in that interior OL. After all, McKinney received a lot more help in pass protection than either tackle.

Furthermore, Wand's sack total would be less if not for the regular push up the middle, and Carr's tendency to step out of the pocket when he feels pressure, instead of up into the pocket.
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If there was a pocket to step up into!

haha yeah thats very true ! Has there ever been a pocket ?
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haha yeah thats very true ! Has there ever been a pocket ?
I agree that the Texans allow to much pressure in general from their OL, but Carr does not seem to have a good feel for where or when to sidestep pressure versus scrammble to the sideline. IMO, his mediocore pocket presence accounts for 8-10 extra sacks onto the total. That of course, still leaves 40 (too many) for the OL and the coaching staff to figure out.
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The only thing wrong with the left side of the ball was that, especially Wand, but Pitts too at guard, was that they were inexperienced at the position. The rest of the OL, from McKinney, to Weigert to Wade. couldn't get their jobs done because they were all hurt at one time or another the whole season. While I agree on drafting an OC to backup McKinney, I don't see the screaming need for messing with what could become a pretty good line.

The same thing could be said for the DL, where given some more time together, they will probably be ok. The crying need is for a NT to backup Payne. The LBers are where we are really subpar. We need to draft at least one ILB and one OLB for depth and eventual replacement.
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IMO, his mediocore pocket presence accounts for 8-10 extra sacks onto the total.
True... but you could also say that his ability to run away from trouble prevents some sacks as well. He has gotten better at throwing the ball away, rather than running out of bounds behind the LOS, so I think sacks due to poor pocket awareness are canceled out by his ability to run away from sacks.
Either way, the O-line stinks, and protecting Carr should be top priority.
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I agree that the Texans allow to much pressure in general from their OL, but Carr does not seem to have a good feel for where or when to sidestep pressure versus scrammble to the sideline. IMO, his mediocore pocket presence accounts for 8-10 extra sacks onto the total. That of course, still leaves 40 (too many) for the OL and the coaching staff to figure out.

well i gotta say its hard to have any presence when ya have defenders coming at ya from 4 different directions and then ya got tha O-Line standing in front of ya looking stupid wondering where the defensive guys went ! So it is hard to have any pocket presence when ya have it the way carr does !
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If you are going to blame somebody for the poor play at LT, than blame Steve McKinney and Zach Weigert, not Seth Wand. Like somebody already said Carr had no pocket to step into, and hardly any throwing lanes. Thanks to McKinney and Weigert the pressure was always in Carr's face, and Carr had to step back, not up and when he did step back, the DE would flatten him. Blame it on Seth Wand? No.

Just because Wand is no Walter Jones or Olando Pace doesn't mean we need to upgrade. Wand did a great job last year for what was asked of him. We drafted him last year because we thought we had great potential, he was just very raw coming from a small school. In his rookie season we worked on his technique and speed while playing him at TE. Then we went and gave him the LT job and for a second year player with no experience he did very well. He has shown a lot of progress. He only looked bad against Dwight Freeney, but so does everybody else.

Why spend our money and sit a star in the making?
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Did anyone see how New England blocked Freeney in the playoffs? Left end took Freeney, left guard provided initial hit on defensive right tackle. The center always moved left. If Freeney did his inside move, the left guard double teamed him, leaving the center to pick up the defensive tackle.

The Texans can't do this because McKinney can't take the tackle, even after Pitts hits him first.

This is the problem with trashing Wand. The offensive line is a team game. He is left one on one (usually) against the best pass rusher, play after play. If you want to compare the Texans O-line to other, more effective lines you can't just do a position by position match-up. You've got to look at the schemes.
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Did anyone see how New England blocked Freeney in the playoffs?
Matt Light, mid 2nd round pick in 2001 out of Purdue, not only did a good job
against Freeney, but in the SB was matched up against Jevon Kearse (who normally plays the other DE), and was also very effective against him.
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Interestingly, the coaches almost never rotated help to his side or even chip with a back. I guess that's a good indication that they have confidence in his abilities... or, they have even less confidence in that interior OL.
They had so much confidence in him that they took him out on third downs against the Bears, in favor of Marcus Spears.
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You just made my point for me. Mat Light, Drafted in 2001. That means he has had a couple of years to settle into the job. Wand was not only playing his first year as the LT, he was from a tiny division II school. He is still learning th fundamentals that Light learned at big 'ol Purdue. Also Jonathon Ogden, generally considered a pretty good tackle had a ton of trouble with Dwight Freeney. If Wand had had a little help out there his sack totals wouldn't have looked half as bad. Some people need to learn a little patience.
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Put down the pipe. Matthews is one of the all time greats, and Steinkuhler might have been as well if it weren't for injuries. Pitts and Wand together couldn't hold Bruce Matthews jock on his worst day.
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Man u gotta believe! Wand may never be Matthews, but given time he may be pretty damn good. My point is that we need to be patient and give these guys time to jell...fix our other line issues (C & maybe RG)
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They had so much confidence in him that they took him out on third downs against the Bears, in favor of Marcus Spears.
And amazingly, that move didn't stop the rush up the middle! Go figure.

How many downs did Spears play after that game?

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And amazingly, that move didn't stop the rush up the middle! Go figure.
I'm all for fixing the interior of the line. I think that is the priority over LT, but that doesn't mean that Wand is "the answer." The coaches decided to experiment late in the season at LT, and that doesn't show total confidence in the position. Sure it was short-lived, but let's be honest, Spears is bad. I hope Wand is our LT of the future, but he doesn't have my total confidence.
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Im pretty sure if DJ, and Marcus Spears are gone, which there is a good chance of, Barron will be the pick.

Players the Texans could use. IMO

1. Derrick Johnson - I predict the Browns, or Raiders will snag him.
2. Cedric Benson - He could go to alot of top 10 teams.
3. Mike Williams - Bears, or Skins.
4. Braylon Edwards - Bears, or Skins.
5. Marcus Spears - San Diego.
6. Ronnie Brown - Cards.
7. Cadillac Williams - Bucs.
8. Pac-Man Jones - Titans.

I could even see the titans going LT with Barron. And that would probably put a CB in our lap.

But if Barron is on the Board, and Spears, and DJ are not, he is my pick.

David Carr has been sacked 140 times in 3 years.
Something has to be done.

Barron should be able to userp Wand, this year. He is a straight up LT.
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