Go Back   Houston Texans Message Board & Forum - TexansTalk.com > The Great Fans of the Houston Texans > Texans Talk
Home Forums Register FAQDonate Automatic Monthly Contribution Members List Mark Forums Read


Texans Talk Football talk only please. Keep it to the game, the players, the coaches and management.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 01-30-2008   #21
badboy
Site Contributor
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Clear Lake
Posts: 21,619
Rep Power: 87576 badboy is a quality contributor and well respectedbadboy is a quality contributor and well respectedbadboy is a quality contributor and well respectedbadboy is a quality contributor and well respectedbadboy is a quality contributor and well respectedbadboy is a quality contributor and well respectedbadboy is a quality contributor and well respectedbadboy is a quality contributor and well respectedbadboy is a quality contributor and well respectedbadboy is a quality contributor and well respectedbadboy is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Are we re-signing anyone???

Quote:
Originally Posted by AnthonyE View Post
I can see Davis resigning with us.

I've heard he's really grateful for us giving him the chance that no one else would. He also likes it here, so I'm sure he'll get his agent to sign where he wants.
I think a call from Matt and AJ to Davis saying "help us bring this team to the play offs" would not hurt. Demps may not have been a PB alternate on most other teams.
__________________
Buy my 2012 fully loaded Nissan Maxima Sports Edition for balance owed! Very low mileage.
badboy is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 01-30-2008   #22
michaelm
vox nihili
 
michaelm's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Spring, TX
Section: 648
Age: 48
Posts: 5,472
Rep Power: 77974 michaelm is a quality contributor and well respectedmichaelm is a quality contributor and well respectedmichaelm is a quality contributor and well respectedmichaelm is a quality contributor and well respectedmichaelm is a quality contributor and well respectedmichaelm is a quality contributor and well respectedmichaelm is a quality contributor and well respectedmichaelm is a quality contributor and well respectedmichaelm is a quality contributor and well respectedmichaelm is a quality contributor and well respectedmichaelm is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Are we re-signing anyone???

Quote:
Originally Posted by badboy View Post
I think a call from Matt and AJ to Davis saying "help us bring this team to the play offs" would not hurt. Demps may not have been a PB alternate on most other teams.
A dollar says Matt already made that call.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheMatrix31 View Post
Our LB corps is a dumpster fire.
michaelm is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-01-2008   #23
Tulip
Hall of Fame
 
Tulip's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Age: 38
Posts: 1,864
Rep Power: 14 Tulip was voted MVPTulip was voted MVPTulip was voted MVPTulip was voted MVP
Default Re: Are we re-signing anyone???

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. White View Post
I can see the FO doing the same thing they did with Vonta Leach (and maybe Ron Dayne) last year.

Seems like Rick Smith has no problem letting another team negotiate with his free agents. If it's somebody he wants to keep around, then he just matches the offer.

I'm really hoping that we can keep Andre Davis and Will Demps around this offseason.
Rick Smith already had dinner with Andre Davis and Gary Kubiak visited Andre and his wife at home Wed night. They are actively courting him.
__________________
Addition by subtraction
Tulip is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-01-2008   #24
Ole Miss Texan
Hall of Fame
 
Ole Miss Texan's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 8,673
Rep Power: 19125 Ole Miss Texan is a quality contributor and well respectedOle Miss Texan is a quality contributor and well respectedOle Miss Texan is a quality contributor and well respectedOle Miss Texan is a quality contributor and well respectedOle Miss Texan is a quality contributor and well respectedOle Miss Texan is a quality contributor and well respectedOle Miss Texan is a quality contributor and well respectedOle Miss Texan is a quality contributor and well respectedOle Miss Texan is a quality contributor and well respectedOle Miss Texan is a quality contributor and well respectedOle Miss Texan is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Are we re-signing anyone???

Quote:
Originally Posted by Vinny View Post
Nobody is going to offer Andre Davis WR1 money...unless Casserly is the GM somewhere and I'm not aware of it. If we had a NFL caliber secondary losing Hutchinson would be like losing Hodgdon from our offensive line. I'm not sure I'll have to brace for that one.
Quote:
Originally Posted by HOU-TEX View Post
I assume we mean Von Hutchins?

I agree here. Hutchins can hit the road unless we could bring him back dirt cheap as depth.


Why all the hate for Hutchins???

I agree he's not the best player we have in the secondary but part of building a great team is having quality back ups. If you don't think Hutchins is a decent back up for us than that's fine.

The way I see it, the secondary is a HUGE weakness on our team. On top of that, we've had an incredible amount of injuries to them. IMO, Hutchins is a versatile guy that can go in a play CB or FS if we really need him to. Obviously he's probably not the guy we really want starting but if we got injuries- we gotta put somebody else in.

So if we DON'T re-sign von hutchins...we have to pick somebody else up to fill his shoes. His contract isn't all that big if i remember correctly. Bennett is locked in as a starter. Dunta will be on IR for most of the year. Demps is a FA we should look at bringing back. Earl is coming off injury, and we have CC Brown. Backup CB's are Petey Faggins, Jamar Fletcher, and Dexter Wynn.

I'm one that would really like to see the addition of a good CB via FA/Draft. Even with that I still want to re-sign Hutchins. Who's the better player you sign to take Hutchins spot???

You telling me you'd rather Faggins/Fletcher/Wynn play instead? I hear people calling for all of them to get cut. We can't go into next season with only 4 or 5 DB's...at least that's my thinking. Should be really interesting to see what Rhodes has up his sleeve.
__________________
#99 JJ Watt - Dream Big Work Hard
Ole Miss Texan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-01-2008   #25
Ole Miss Texan
Hall of Fame
 
Ole Miss Texan's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 8,673
Rep Power: 19125 Ole Miss Texan is a quality contributor and well respectedOle Miss Texan is a quality contributor and well respectedOle Miss Texan is a quality contributor and well respectedOle Miss Texan is a quality contributor and well respectedOle Miss Texan is a quality contributor and well respectedOle Miss Texan is a quality contributor and well respectedOle Miss Texan is a quality contributor and well respectedOle Miss Texan is a quality contributor and well respectedOle Miss Texan is a quality contributor and well respectedOle Miss Texan is a quality contributor and well respectedOle Miss Texan is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Are we re-signing anyone???

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tulip View Post
Rick Smith already had dinner with Andre Davis and Gary Kubiak visited Andre and his wife at home Wed night. They are actively courting him.
Very good news to hear. Davis is a must re-sign in my opinion. I wouldn't be too surprised to see Mathis get the boot (pun intended) before too long. Davis proved this season that he can get hit hard, take it for the team, play banged up, AND still produce. You don't let a player like that walk unless like some of you say he's asking for #1 money, which he shouldn't be. He's invaluable as a WR and a KR for us.

The way I see it...WR becomes another 'hole' if Davis leaves. Johnson is a stud, Walter is solid, Jacoby really needs more time to develop. If Davis leaves...I might be eyeing Malcolm Kelly in the 1st round....and that's not something I really want to do given our need at LT, RB, CB, etc.
__________________
#99 JJ Watt - Dream Big Work Hard
Ole Miss Texan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-01-2008   #26
HOU-TEX 
Ah, Football!
 
HOU-TEX's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: P-land
Age: 43
Posts: 15,136
Rep Power: 75757 HOU-TEX is a quality contributor and well respectedHOU-TEX is a quality contributor and well respectedHOU-TEX is a quality contributor and well respectedHOU-TEX is a quality contributor and well respectedHOU-TEX is a quality contributor and well respectedHOU-TEX is a quality contributor and well respectedHOU-TEX is a quality contributor and well respectedHOU-TEX is a quality contributor and well respectedHOU-TEX is a quality contributor and well respectedHOU-TEX is a quality contributor and well respectedHOU-TEX is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Are we re-signing anyone???

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ole Miss Texan View Post
Why all the hate for Hutchins???

I agree he's not the best player we have in the secondary but part of building a great team is having quality back ups. If you don't think Hutchins is a decent back up for us than that's fine.

The way I see it, the secondary is a HUGE weakness on our team. On top of that, we've had an incredible amount of injuries to them. IMO, Hutchins is a versatile guy that can go in a play CB or FS if we really need him to. Obviously he's probably not the guy we really want starting but if we got injuries- we gotta put somebody else in.

So if we DON'T re-sign von hutchins...we have to pick somebody else up to fill his shoes. His contract isn't all that big if i remember correctly. Bennett is locked in as a starter. Dunta will be on IR for most of the year. Demps is a FA we should look at bringing back. Earl is coming off injury, and we have CC Brown. Backup CB's are Petey Faggins, Jamar Fletcher, and Dexter Wynn.

I'm one that would really like to see the addition of a good CB via FA/Draft. Even with that I still want to re-sign Hutchins. Who's the better player you sign to take Hutchins spot???

You telling me you'd rather Faggins/Fletcher/Wynn play instead? I hear people calling for all of them to get cut. We can't go into next season with only 4 or 5 DB's...at least that's my thinking. Should be really interesting to see what Rhodes has up his sleeve.
I didn't show hate. I merely pointed out he wouldn't be worth keeping if he was looking for some sort of raise. Like I mentioned in my post, I'd have no problem re-signing him cheap for depth purposes only.

IMO, Fletcher should've gotten the nod at CB when Dunta went down.
__________________
Kubiak: "They’re battling their tail off." Translation: They suck.
HOU-TEX is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-03-2008   #27
ObsiWan
Contributor
 
ObsiWan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: League City, Tx
Age: 62
Posts: 11,721
Rep Power: 114714 ObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respectedObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respectedObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respectedObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respectedObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respectedObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respectedObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respectedObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respectedObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respectedObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respectedObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Are we re-signing anyone???

Quote:
Originally Posted by HOU-TEX View Post
I didn't show hate. I merely pointed out he wouldn't be worth keeping if he was looking for some sort of raise. Like I mentioned in my post, I'd have no problem re-signing him cheap for depth purposes only.

IMO, Fletcher should've gotten the nod at CB when Dunta went down.
Over Bennett?! Fletcher got his shot. Had he been better than the rookie, he would have started. He's not. He's too short and he's not the hitter Bennett is; and that's not to say anyone will mistake Bennett for Rodney Harrison or anything... but truth is Fletcher ain't really much more than half a notch better than Petey Faggins.

Now if you meant he should have started at #2 over Faggins... I doubt anyone will argue with you about that.
__________________
The two most important days in your life are the day you're born and the day you find out why. -- Mark Twain
ObsiWan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-03-2008   #28
ObsiWan
Contributor
 
ObsiWan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: League City, Tx
Age: 62
Posts: 11,721
Rep Power: 114714 ObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respectedObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respectedObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respectedObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respectedObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respectedObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respectedObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respectedObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respectedObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respectedObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respectedObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Are we re-signing anyone???

I have a question: Who is this Roc Alexander that we've been carrying on our roster for the past two seasons??
__________________
The two most important days in your life are the day you're born and the day you find out why. -- Mark Twain
ObsiWan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-03-2008   #29
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
 
CloakNNNdagger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 14,918
Rep Power: 131093 CloakNNNdagger is a quality contributor and well respectedCloakNNNdagger is a quality contributor and well respectedCloakNNNdagger is a quality contributor and well respectedCloakNNNdagger is a quality contributor and well respectedCloakNNNdagger is a quality contributor and well respectedCloakNNNdagger is a quality contributor and well respectedCloakNNNdagger is a quality contributor and well respectedCloakNNNdagger is a quality contributor and well respectedCloakNNNdagger is a quality contributor and well respectedCloakNNNdagger is a quality contributor and well respectedCloakNNNdagger is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Are we re-signing anyone???

Quote:
Originally Posted by ObsiWan View Post
I have a question: Who is this Roc Alexander that we've been carrying on our roster for the past two seasons??
Alexander was picked up on waivers from the Broncos in 2006 (caught up in numbers in Denver). Shortly thereafter, he sustained a torn ACL and was placed on IR for the 2006 season. In preseason 2007, he was resigned, determined not to be ready for a comeback from his injury and was placed on IR for the 2007 season.

What type of player is he???????.......This is his draft profile:

Quote:
Position: CB
Class: Sr
School: Washington
Conference: Pac-10
Ht., Wt.: 5'11, 185
40 Time: 4.38
Grade: 3.23


BIO: Played in eight games as a senior and totaled 25/0/1 defensively also averaging 20.6 yards on 13 kick returns. Missed seven games as a junior with a shoulder injury and credited with 22/3 on the season. Defensive numbers as a sophomore were 26/4/11 after leading the conference with a 29.2-yard average on kick returns.

POSITIVES: Explosive, athletic corner with average instincts and poor durability. Quick footed off the line, fluid transitioning to run with opponents and plays to his timed 40 speed. Easily runs downfield with opponents, displays a quick closing burst as well as recovery speed. Immediately plants then breaks on the throw and adjusts well to defend the pass.

NEGATIVES: Does not slow opponents with jams and marginal skills in run defense. Hesitant reacting and slow turning back when the ball's in the air. Falls asleep and gets beaten. Durability is a major concern.

ANALYSIS: From an athletic point of view, Alexander is a physically gifted prospect that will turn heads, but the major underlying factors most will focus on are the number of receptions he gives up and past injury history. Someone may take a flier on him in the late rounds.

PROJECTION: Undrafted Free Agent

.........There should be numerous concerns reflected. The best I can make out is that his main value to the Texans was projected as a kick returner. Recurrent theme and current legitimate ongoing question...............durability, durability, durability.......

Last edited by CloakNNNdagger; 02-03-2008 at 09:03 AM.
CloakNNNdagger is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-04-2008   #30
HOU-TEX 
Ah, Football!
 
HOU-TEX's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: P-land
Age: 43
Posts: 15,136
Rep Power: 75757 HOU-TEX is a quality contributor and well respectedHOU-TEX is a quality contributor and well respectedHOU-TEX is a quality contributor and well respectedHOU-TEX is a quality contributor and well respectedHOU-TEX is a quality contributor and well respectedHOU-TEX is a quality contributor and well respectedHOU-TEX is a quality contributor and well respectedHOU-TEX is a quality contributor and well respectedHOU-TEX is a quality contributor and well respectedHOU-TEX is a quality contributor and well respectedHOU-TEX is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Are we re-signing anyone???

Quote:
Originally Posted by ObsiWan View Post
Over Bennett?! Fletcher got his shot. Had he been better than the rookie, he would have started. He's not. He's too short and he's not the hitter Bennett is; and that's not to say anyone will mistake Bennett for Rodney Harrison or anything... but truth is Fletcher ain't really much more than half a notch better than Petey Faggins.

Now if you meant he should have started at #2 over Faggins... I doubt anyone will argue with you about that.
IIRC, Bennett had already surpassed Faggins and was playing the #2 for a game or two before Dunta went down. So, no I was not talking about over Bennett. Fletch should've been playing instead of Von.
__________________
Kubiak: "They’re battling their tail off." Translation: They suck.
HOU-TEX is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-04-2008   #31
ObsiWan
Contributor
 
ObsiWan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: League City, Tx
Age: 62
Posts: 11,721
Rep Power: 114714 ObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respectedObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respectedObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respectedObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respectedObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respectedObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respectedObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respectedObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respectedObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respectedObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respectedObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Are we re-signing anyone???

Quote:
Originally Posted by HOU-TEX View Post
IIRC, Bennett had already surpassed Faggins and was playing the #2 for a game or two before Dunta went down. So, no I was not talking about over Bennett. Fletch should've been playing instead of Von.
hmmm... I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. IMHO, Fletcher is marginally better in coverage and Hutchins is significantly better against the run. So since teams tend to run on 1st & 2nd down, generally speaking, you put in the guy who is best against the run. IIRC, Fletch was inserted on obvious passing downs as either the #2 or #3 CB.

from the HT.com site...
http://www.houstontexans.com/news/St...?STORY_ID=4153

Quote:
Veteran Von Hutchins was a versatile contributor, starting eight games at free safety and the final seven at cornerback. He finished third on the team and led all Texans defensive backs with 93 tackles, including 77 solos.
I find it interesting that in an article about the secondary, from the Texans' official website, Fletcher's name is only mentioned once.
Quote:
In reserve duties, Fletcher recorded 13 tackles, including 12 solos, and was a valuable special teams player.
Wonder if there's a message there...?
__________________
The two most important days in your life are the day you're born and the day you find out why. -- Mark Twain

Last edited by ObsiWan; 02-05-2008 at 01:09 AM.
ObsiWan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-05-2008   #32
b0ng
Ooops
 
b0ng's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Age: 33
Posts: 7,518
Rep Power: 54416 b0ng is a quality contributor and well respectedb0ng is a quality contributor and well respectedb0ng is a quality contributor and well respectedb0ng is a quality contributor and well respectedb0ng is a quality contributor and well respectedb0ng is a quality contributor and well respectedb0ng is a quality contributor and well respectedb0ng is a quality contributor and well respectedb0ng is a quality contributor and well respectedb0ng is a quality contributor and well respectedb0ng is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Are we re-signing anyone???

Quote:
Originally Posted by CloakNNNdagger View Post
Alexander was picked up on waivers from the Broncos in 2006 (caught up in numbers in Denver). Shortly thereafter, he
Just as an aside, Roc Alexander was apart of the University of Washington crew that won the Rose Bowl and shamed the entire school while doing so.

If ever you think that McNair or Kubiak or Smith might not take a guy cause of character issues, you can think of Roc Alexander, whom they've stuck with for two years through injuries. He's about as non-character as you can get (Without actually being Jerramy Stephens).
__________________
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
http://www.thedrawplay.com/?p=88
b0ng is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-05-2008   #33
El Tejano
Hall of Fame
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 9,800
Rep Power: 7857 El Tejano is a quality contributor and well respectedEl Tejano is a quality contributor and well respectedEl Tejano is a quality contributor and well respectedEl Tejano is a quality contributor and well respectedEl Tejano is a quality contributor and well respectedEl Tejano is a quality contributor and well respectedEl Tejano is a quality contributor and well respectedEl Tejano is a quality contributor and well respectedEl Tejano is a quality contributor and well respectedEl Tejano is a quality contributor and well respectedEl Tejano is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Are we re-signing anyone???

Quote:
Originally Posted by b0ng View Post
Just as an aside, Roc Alexander was apart of the University of Washington crew that won the Rose Bowl and shamed the entire school while doing so.

If ever you think that McNair or Kubiak or Smith might not take a guy cause of character issues, you can think of Roc Alexander, whom they've stuck with for two years through injuries. He's about as non-character as you can get (Without actually being Jerramy Stephens).
Yeah but you aren't really investing a whole lot in him. It's not like he is a 1st rounder or anything.
El Tejano is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-05-2008   #34
hadaad
All Pro
 
hadaad's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Age: 37
Posts: 870
Rep Power: 395 hadaad is a quality contributor and well respectedhadaad is a quality contributor and well respectedhadaad is a quality contributor and well respectedhadaad is a quality contributor and well respectedhadaad is a quality contributor and well respectedhadaad is a quality contributor and well respectedhadaad is a quality contributor and well respectedhadaad is a quality contributor and well respectedhadaad is a quality contributor and well respectedhadaad is a quality contributor and well respectedhadaad is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Are we re-signing anyone???

That doesn't make it better. If he's a marginal talent and on the cusp of being cut anyway, it shows a massive disregard for character to keep him around.

Unless, unlike Jerramy Stevens, he's actually managed to turn his life around.

You ask me, guys like that are living on borrowed time.
__________________
New year, new attitude. Go Defense!
hadaad is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-05-2008   #35
b0ng
Ooops
 
b0ng's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Age: 33
Posts: 7,518
Rep Power: 54416 b0ng is a quality contributor and well respectedb0ng is a quality contributor and well respectedb0ng is a quality contributor and well respectedb0ng is a quality contributor and well respectedb0ng is a quality contributor and well respectedb0ng is a quality contributor and well respectedb0ng is a quality contributor and well respectedb0ng is a quality contributor and well respectedb0ng is a quality contributor and well respectedb0ng is a quality contributor and well respectedb0ng is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Are we re-signing anyone???

Quote:
Originally Posted by El Tejano View Post
Yeah but you aren't really investing a whole lot in him. It's not like he is a 1st rounder or anything.
Oh no, without a doubt he is definitely no more than a warm body and that's it. But a lot of people talk about how the Texans only go after guys who are "niiiiiice" when really that isn't all the way true. Just mostly true. And probably true about any player that is a 1st round draft pick/Top FA signing/Player of a high profile position.

But yes, even the niiiiiiice Houston Texans have a dirtbag on their team.
__________________
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
http://www.thedrawplay.com/?p=88
b0ng is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Go Back   Houston Texans Message Board & Forum - TexansTalk.com > The Great Fans of the Houston Texans > Texans Talk
Home Forums Register FAQ Members List Calendar Mark Forums Read


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:51 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Ad Management by RedTyger