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Old 01-12-2008   #21
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What made anyone feel confident that the OL would only give up 22 sacks in '07? Turns out it wasn't all the OL or coaching. Same may be true for the defense. Maybe one unit (or most of one and part of another) are keeping them from being all they can be. Smith's soft cover two zone is a cover for weakness - his version of the '05 staple two-yard hitch from 8 to 80.

Add another pass rusher to the mix along with a shut down corner, a FS with some range and a playmaking OLB and who knows, Smith could be a genius. The point is, maybe there's multiple layers to the problem and the solution may not be the one that appears most obvious.

Dungy was a 'mastermind' at Tampa but when he arrived at Indy I recall his defenses struggling for a while -- until they drafted guys like Mathis, Morris, Freeney, Sanders, Jackson, Hayden and continue to fill in every year with guys like Keiho, Bethea, Jennings et al. The Colts have 9 DBs on their roster that are their own draft picks. For the guys who want to go crazy on a pass rusing DE early, the Colts got Robert Mathis in the 5th round.

I'm aware of Smith's aggressive nature (borderline craziness) when he was here under Glanville.

And I have brought up the turnover situation in the past.
Some thoughts:

1. Re: The Oline. Based on what I had seen so far, I had trust that the offensive coaching staff could bring down the sacks more. They had already brought them down a bunch, even though Carr was the QB, and I thought that once they had a QB that didn't fumble the snap, run out of bounds behind the line of scrimmage and maybe read defenses that those numbers would go down. I had no idea by that much given the inexperience of our QBs.

Bringing down the sack numbers was a function of getting an actual offensive scheme to the Texans other than the experimentation that occured when a defensive minded head coach meddled with whatever crud that Palmer and Pendry were cobbling together. The coaching staff on the offensive side of the ball have a tremendous track record and a specific, identifiable philosophy.

2. Yes, better players will make the team better of course. But in the salary cap era, you need a defensive philosophy that you can plug and play free agents and young guys with little learning curve. You need a scheme that is easy to learn and makes players better than their draft position.

3. You could deal with the struggles of Dungy because Dungy had a track record. You know EXACTLY what Dungy is trying to accomplish with his defense and the types of players that he is looking to acquire.

Going into year 3 of Smith, do you have the same sort of confidence in Smith or that you know what Smith's defense is supposed to look like other than sorry?

What I see on the defensive side of the ball is utter chaos. That yeah, they have little talent on the back end, and the imbalanced reminents of the 3-4 on the front end, and that Smith is doing whatever he can to figure out what they can do that doesn't suck as much. That's not a defensive philosophy. That's sort of what we saw from Palmer on the offensive side of the ball in the early years. An ugly looking experiment.

The offense has shown progress and the defense has shown progress of individual players, but little as a unit. They stink on ice. There's lots of teams out there that are relying on young players who are not all top draft picks that don't stink as bad as the Texans' unit.

I'm just saying that it would be nice to have confidence that once we get X,Y, and Z guys, we will look like the awesome defense that Smith used to run. But you can't do that because Smith has no track record of being in charge of a defense. I'm not a Smith hater, but I have seen little in what he has done to give me confidence in the future. And I have seen some unfathomable play calling at times from his as well.

If I had control of McNair's checkbook, and I could find someone better than Smith for a 4-3, I'd do it in a heartbeat.
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On the defense, yes. But there's also that little matter of OT, RB and C/G ...

They need a corner before a speed rusher. I think OLB is needy but a lower priority than most if not all of the combined list of need positions.

Certainly too much need for just the draft. This debate will probably be made simpler during the first week of March.
yes sir, too much for the draft alone thats why they get a starting cover one CB in free agency, someone with experience & proven track record in the NFL. Suggs would be a tremendous boost to the front four & would essentially give the Texans four 1st rd picks (Mario #1, Amobi & Suggs #10 & TJ #16) & low cost depth behind them in N.D. Kalu, Earl Cochran, Antony Maddox & Jeff Zgonina. I'm not sure Weaver will be with the team, well TJ for that matter as well, just have to wait & see. Smith will resign Demps so we'll have depth @ safety. Also mentioned Boulware needs to find a fit besides special teams, like ROLB. Charlie Anderson looked sensational end of season. Behind DeMeco you've got Zach Diles, maybe get him PT @ LOLB behind Greenwood & a resigned Danny Clark.

the draft will be focused on the bpa. according to their draft board which may weight needs higher in the formula, hence if a top rated CB, OT, RB, FS, is still on their board that's who they select. if not they trade down.

back to Richard Smith. I'll admit being discouraged with the 4-3. I personelly prefer the 3-4 just look at the teams who use it, New England, San Diego & Dallas. yet the Texans have struggled in mounting any kind of pass rush until the emergence this year of Mario. I would expect Amobi Okoye numbers to increase but still RDE is a major need for Richard Smith for his system to be effective he needs that pressure/playmaker off the weakside, now it forces him to use LB stunts & corner blitzes with a depleated secondary. So get Duntas replacement (cb) pass rushing specialist (de) & Richard Smith game plan will look consistantly improved year after year until the Texans are a top 10 defense in the league, lets not rush to judgement given our short NFL exsitance plus C/O to a new defensive scheme in two years, less the talent.
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^you forgot to mention sf, cle, jets, fins also use the 3-4
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Minus Dunta, the Texans may have the poorest level of pure DB talent in the NFL.

You know, it ain't good but I just don't really believe that we have the poorest level of pure DB talent in the NFL.

I see people who do believe that posting around here all the time but I don't agree with it. More than that I see those same type of people in almost every forum of every team I visit. Unless you're one of about 5-8 teams in the league you probably have some people posting on message boards saying that you have the worst secondary....DL....OL...whatever in the NFL.

Fans tend to overstate things.

Hoke is like some kind of legacy around here or something. I'd start throwing around terms like "man-love" and "nut-hugging" to explain it if I wasn't so sick of seeing them following the Reggie/Vince/Mario war. Our secondary always sucks but Hoke always has his defenders.

As does Richard Smith despite the fact that he's fielded a couple of defenses that make Vic Fangio look pretty good at times.

But don't mind me, I'm just hating cause I'm a hater like that.
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You know, it ain't good but I just don't really believe that we have the poorest level of pure DB talent in the NFL.
care to give any examples?

i went through it quickly team-by-team and the only one that was questionable in my mind was us, the lions and maybe the saints
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You know, it ain't good but I just don't really believe that we have the poorest level of pure DB talent in the NFL.

I see people who do believe that posting around here all the time but I don't agree with it. More than that I see those same type of people in almost every forum of every team I visit. Unless you're one of about 5-8 teams in the league you probably have some people posting on message boards saying that you have the worst secondary....DL....OL...whatever in the NFL.

Fans tend to overstate things.

Hoke is like some kind of legacy around here or something. I'd start throwing around terms like "man-love" and "nut-hugging" to explain it if I wasn't so sick of seeing them following the Reggie/Vince/Mario war. Our secondary always sucks but Hoke always has his defenders.

As does Richard Smith despite the fact that he's fielded a couple of defenses that make Vic Fangio look pretty good at times.

But don't mind me, I'm just hating cause I'm a hater like that.
There is a lot more Hoke/Smith sux posts on the board than people defending either. Personally, I think that it becomes easier to say your coaches are no good than compare our players man for man with other teams. The current admin has acknowledged needing upgrading DBs. I think we forget in that 2-14 season, the defense was actually statistically worse than the offense and since that point we have added a couple of mid round draft choices and bunches of cheap free agents our secondary. The Texans have not significantly addressed the defensive backfield.

I will listen to the argument that Hoke has been around long enough and that six years is long enough to prove you can coach up the talent given you or get enough influence to say hey guys these are the types of players that I can get more out of. If he is not here in 2008, I would not be pounding any message boards talking about how the Texans made a mistake.
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i dont think we have the personal to run a aggressive 3-4 in your face d right now
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care to give any examples?

i went through it quickly team-by-team and the only one that was questionable in my mind was us, the lions and maybe the saints
To what end? I'm not watching every defense in the NFL and can't speak intelligently on the various merits of every set of defensive backs in the league. I won't presume to try. I could also go back and hunt down posts made weeks ago that I read where fans of teams we were playing complained about their secondary sucking rocks.

The gist of my post is that most teams seem to have fans who think that their _____________ (fill in the blank with whatever unit you wish) is the worst in the NFL. They can't all be right. I look at our defensive backs and see problems (big surprise there) and then I look at our front 4 and see that they hardly ever put any pressure on the QB.

No pass rush always looks like you're trotting out the worst players in the NFL in the secondary.

Sure Mario had his run and I'm damned happy to see that but aside from that you just didn't see much in the way of pressure. When you did (the late season "surge" that we seem to get every year out of Smith's D) then suddenly our defensive backs didn't look like the worst in the league did they? They still weren't great but they improved a ton and that was without Dunta Robinson. How did that happen? How did Demps manage to get noticed enough to get a Pro Bowl alternate spot playing in the worst secondary in football primarily after Dunta Robinson went down?

Jon Hoke has been here 6 years. That puts him here long enough to have been involved in decisions like "Marcus Coleman could move to safety", "We can do better than Marlon McCree", and the ever popular "lets get younger and faster at CB by trading for Philip Buchanon" which was of course followed by the discovery that Philip Buchanon was a lousy football player (which was then followed by the subsequent discovery that Philip Buchanon WASN'T a lousy football player but just wasn't put in a position to succeed here in Houston......I wonder whose job it was to do that and to coach up Mr. Buchanon?)

The Houston Texans are the only NFL level job Jon Hoke has ever held. I think there's a reason for this but again, that's just my opinion and I'm hating again like I do.
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Some thoughts:

1. Re: The Oline. Based on what I had seen so far, I had trust that the offensive coaching staff could bring down the sacks more. They had already brought them down a bunch, even though Carr was the QB, and I thought that once they had a QB that didn't fumble the snap, run out of bounds behind the line of scrimmage and maybe read defenses that those numbers would go down. I had no idea by that much given the inexperience of our QBs.

Bringing down the sack numbers was a function of getting an actual offensive scheme to the Texans other than the experimentation that occured when a defensive minded head coach meddled with whatever crud that Palmer and Pendry were cobbling together. The coaching staff on the offensive side of the ball have a tremendous track record and a specific, identifiable philosophy.

2. Yes, better players will make the team better of course. But in the salary cap era, you need a defensive philosophy that you can plug and play free agents and young guys with little learning curve. You need a scheme that is easy to learn and makes players better than their draft position.

3. You could deal with the struggles of Dungy because Dungy had a track record. You know EXACTLY what Dungy is trying to accomplish with his defense and the types of players that he is looking to acquire.

Going into year 3 of Smith, do you have the same sort of confidence in Smith or that you know what Smith's defense is supposed to look like other than sorry?

What I see on the defensive side of the ball is utter chaos. That yeah, they have little talent on the back end, and the imbalanced reminents of the 3-4 on the front end, and that Smith is doing whatever he can to figure out what they can do that doesn't suck as much. That's not a defensive philosophy. That's sort of what we saw from Palmer on the offensive side of the ball in the early years. An ugly looking experiment.

The offense has shown progress and the defense has shown progress of individual players, but little as a unit. They stink on ice. There's lots of teams out there that are relying on young players who are not all top draft picks that don't stink as bad as the Texans' unit.

I'm just saying that it would be nice to have confidence that once we get X,Y, and Z guys, we will look like the awesome defense that Smith used to run. But you can't do that because Smith has no track record of being in charge of a defense. I'm not a Smith hater, but I have seen little in what he has done to give me confidence in the future. And I have seen some unfathomable play calling at times from his as well.

If I had control of McNair's checkbook, and I could find someone better than Smith for a 4-3, I'd do it in a heartbeat.
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I would like to see us sign a top notch defender in FA this year. I'm not all that particular about WHICH position we fill, either, because there are a couple of top talents at each position this year. What we don't fill in FA, take care of in the draft. Before addressing the OL or RB positions. Unless there's a huge mistake and the LT of the future falls to us at 18( and THAT'S assuming we stay at 18). I can live with our O like it is for next year. Our D cost us SEVERAL games this year(just like every other year) by not holding a lead and going long stretches without getting sacks or creating turnovers. We can sit and do the chicken/egg in relation to passrush/secondary all offseason, but the fact remains that we need major upgrades at FS, CB and OLB. I would target those before DL unless we can get a bargain or can't get the CB/FS/OLB we want and DL is still available.
The only reason I even mention CB is because of DRobs injury. This staff is notorious for understating the severity of an injury and the likely return to action of injured players. CB Nnamdi Asomugha(Raiders) would be a HUGE addition in the AFC South, as would LB Karlos Dansby(Cardinals). Gotta get back to work.
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This is a good thread with lots of insightful posts. I am not sure what to make of Hoke but it wouldn't hurt my feelings to see him leave. I think he got a lot of good will from his prominent role in the "Hey Rookie" feature that NFL films put out when Dunta was a rook and many fans still have a warm place in their hearts for that. I agree that the team needs more talent in the secondary and I think the pass rush let the secondary down at times, and I'm not sure Hoke has made great moves on personnel and scheme at times. I have mixed feelings about Smith also.
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If it's hard to differentiate between personnel and coaching with Smith, then it's even more so with Hoke. How much input did he actually have when it came to Buchanon? That regime made plenty of panic moves. I can see them not even consulting Hoke. How much input does he have to game-planning, let alone game calls?

Ok, here's where I have a problem with Smith. You can play a vanilla defense if you have superior talent - "you know what we're going to do, but you can't stop us" kind of thing. You can argue that they play vanilla to protect the secondary and because of new personnel unfamiliar with the system, but when you have inferior talent AND the other team knows what you're going to do, isn't it all that much easier to attack?

Smith's defense looks a lot like a certain college team's. Smallish DTs. Pressure from just the front four with blitzes from the LBs occasionally and the DBs rarely, if ever. Not even a lot of stunts or twists. Soft coverage with lots of cover-2 and cover-3. That defense is generally a top 10 defense. But they have superior talent, particularly in the LB corp. And even so, they are often a bend but don't break, rather than a dominating, defense. They get killed by athletic TEs and can be easily broken down by a smart, efficient QB. I know the defense will get better as we get better talent, but I think it'll take longer than it could.
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I'm just saying he was here when all those decisions I listed were made. I can't claim to know that he was involved, or even consulted in making those decisions. I do know one thing. However Buchanon got here he was given to Jon Hoke to coach and the coaching didn't accomplish very much. Now normally I'd say this isn't unusual in the NFL and some guys just aren't going to be the players that people expected them to be.

Philip Buchanon was signed by Tampa Bay and they've done wonders with him. Is he in the right system? Do they have better secondary coaches than the Texans? Something changed because all of sudden Philip Buchanon is a football player again.

Marlon McCree was signed as a free agent and just made plays once he'd been here long enough to get the gist of the defense. He was arguable the best safety we've ever had back there and the Texans let him walk out the door without even making an effort to sign him (that I am aware of). Jon Hoke coached him and looking at his perennially "empty" secondary that's supposedly the worst in football where talent is concerned you would think that he'd have made a point of trying to hang on to one of the few talented players he had. That's assuming he recognized that Marlon McCree was a football player and a quality safety.

Somebody failed to see that and I can only wonder how it could have been anyone other than the position coach.

Things that enter my mind on this subject include....

Maybe Capers and Fangio didn't listen to their assistants and Jon did fight for keeping better players who left. Maybe Jon Hoke is just a great, personable guy who coaches like crap but who talks a good talk? It's not like Richard Smith would know the difference. Notice how the Ravens sent an entire staff of qualilty coaches packing when they kicked Billick to the curb? Anyone ever wonder how Jon Hoke survived the firing of Capers staff? Anyone care to hazard a guess as to whether or not we would have kept him if we were bringing in a known quantity as defensive coordinator and not putting a staff together for a rookie head coach out of what was available at the moment?

Smith's defense is already done here (I believe). It's just a question of how long it will take for the Texans to realize that it's done.
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yes sir, too much for the draft alone thats why they get a starting cover one CB in free agency, someone with experience & proven track record in the NFL.
These FA corners are going to be extremely expensive. And then you have to worry about the player being much better at one scheme rather than another because that is what he has been playing for the last few years.

IMO, we need to draft a corner either in the first or the third. Look at what a guy like Cromartie has done for the Chargers. They draft this guy with obvious athletic ability and not a whole lot to go on from his college career. He has taken over the starting spot, which moves Florence to nickel. It helps when you have an experienced corner playing that nickel spot, because alot of the time that nickel player is alot smaller and is usually a younger guy that they are trying to bring along. Now they can cover 3 receivers pretty effectively. They did a pretty damn good job against the Colts. Cromartie isn't exactly all that expensive. SD took him late first round, about where our pick is this year. There are ALOT of good corners to choose from in this draft and we should have a pretty good shot at getting a starter. We can either take a shot at one of these guys in this draft class or spend a HELL of alot of money on one in FA.

Then (if we draft a corner) we can spend money on some offensive line help or a linebacker.

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Suggs would be a tremendous boost to the front four & would essentially give the Texans four 1st rd picks (Mario #1, Amobi & Suggs #10 & TJ #16) & low cost depth behind them in N.D. Kalu, Earl Cochran, Antony Maddox & Jeff Zgonina. I'm not sure Weaver will be with the team, well TJ for that matter as well, just have to wait & see. Smith will resign Demps so we'll have depth @ safety. Also mentioned Boulware needs to find a fit besides special teams, like ROLB.
Suggs plays OLB in the 3-4, but I agree that he could be a impact player at a 4-3 end spot. He played that position at Arizona State and only set the single season NCAA sack record. If we can get him I would be willing to spend some big bucks.

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Charlie Anderson looked sensational end of season. Behind DeMeco you've got Zach Diles, maybe get him PT @ LOLB behind Greenwood & a resigned Danny Clark.
This is probably where I disagree the most in that Charlie Anderson looked sensational toward the end of the season. I saw Charlie out of position alot when he was out there. He also doesn't tackle with his shoulders and helmet alot either. He seems to arm tackle entirely too much. I think he shouldn't be anything but a backup.

Another position we desperately need is linebacker. We might as well draft one 4th or 5th round because we don't exactly have any young guys that you could say are on the verge of being a legitimate starter. Greenwood is getting older and we don't really have anyone that could back him up if he were to get injured. On top of that we don't exactly have another outside linebacker to lineup opposite of him. We are really getting killed on run plays to the outside, especially away from Mario's side. We've got to address that in the draft as well.

Someone earlier in the thread said something about Mathis being picked up in the 5th round. We need to grab a pass rusher late in this draft. We lost that 3rd down pass rusher when we traded Babin (who wasn't exactly all that great at it in the first place). Maybe one day he can grow into a starter.

Overall, there are alot of things we need to do in this draft. Our defense needs versatility. Smith doesn't exactly have alot to work with. A few more peices to this puzzle and we can start beating teams with our defense, but until we get another stud secondary player, we are going to continue to get destroyed by teams like the Colts and the Patriots. I know we beat the Colts last year, and I was at the game, but honestly, in our history, we have been getting destroyed.
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Philip Buchanon was signed by Tampa Bay and they've done wonders with him. Is he in the right system? Do they have better secondary coaches than the Texans? Something changed because all of sudden Philip Buchanon is a football player again.
im by no means a hoke apologist but thats unfair imo... did he have an input into PB arriving here? and it not his fault he was a pvssy and couldnt cover imo.. hes done ok in TB (even in only highlights ive seen him get beat for at least 3 tds) but then again jason david also looked ok as a cover 2 cb too. what i do know is that hes done a good job with the (willing) 4th rd rookie we have here- who also happens to be our only serious cb prospect since he did a good job with our other franchise cb
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IMO, we need to draft a corner either in the first or the third. Look at what a guy like Cromartie has done for the Chargers. They draft this guy with obvious athletic ability and not a whole lot to go on from his college career. He has taken over the starting spot, which moves Florence to nickel. It helps when you have an experienced corner playing that nickel spot, because alot of the time that nickel player is alot smaller and is usually a younger guy that they are trying to bring along. Now they can cover 3 receivers pretty effectively. They did a pretty damn good job against the Colts. Cromartie isn't exactly all that expensive. SD took him late first round, about where our pick is this year. There are ALOT of good corners to choose from in this draft and we should have a pretty good shot at getting a starter. We can either take a shot at one of these guys in this draft class or spend a HELL of alot of money on one in FA.

Then (if we draft a corner) we can spend money on some offensive line help or a linebacker.
it was generally regarded at the time that cromartie was a special athlete.. the only reason he went that low was because he had been out all season with a pretty serious injury.. he was a shoe-in to be a top 5 pick in last yrs draft if he had stayed in college and proved his recovery.

and my only qualm with your 'draft a cb, spend on o-line, lb's in FA' theory is that there looks to be alot more impact FA cb's than lb's, o-line
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....and my only qualm with your 'draft a cb, spend on o-line, lb's in FA' theory is that there looks to be alot more impact FA cb's than lb's, o-line
Indeed. Spending money in FA is risky under the best of circumstances. When it's weak in the area you need help it's even worse to try and reach. You end up paying someone starters money + who should be sitting on the bench and contributing to special teams.

We went and spent FA bucks on Ahman Green because we needed a running back and ended up getting 260 yards for our money. We reached and we paid the price. We'll go on paying for another year in one way or another.
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There is a lot more Hoke/Smith sux posts on the board than people defending either. Personally, I think that it becomes easier to say your coaches are no good than compare our players man for man with other teams. The current admin has acknowledged needing upgrading DBs. I think we forget in that 2-14 season, the defense was actually statistically worse than the offense and since that point we have added a couple of mid round draft choices and bunches of cheap free agents our secondary. The Texans have not significantly addressed the defensive backfield.

I will listen to the argument that Hoke has been around long enough and that six years is long enough to prove you can coach up the talent given you or get enough influence to say hey guys these are the types of players that I can get more out of. If he is not here in 2008, I would not be pounding any message boards talking about how the Texans made a mistake.
I'm just wondering though at what point is putting enough energy and effort in the defense is going to get us real progress. How many pro bowl caliber players does Smith need to cobble together a defense that can hold a top 10 slot all season long? Does it really take a headcoach in the later half of the season to pubically say we need to be more aggressive on the defensive side of the ball and voila the defense gets more aggressive and at least doesn't look at bad.

Could we use an upgrade in talent at some positions? Sure. I'm willing to bet even the top 5 teams in defense this year would say the same. While talent is a reality at the same time please give me a clue what a pure unleashed Richard Smith defense looks like. Hell give me pro bowlers at every position and i could be the coach. Fact is this is what these guys are supposed to know. I'm not saying give me instant gratifacation but at least give me something to work with.
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it was generally regarded at the time that cromartie was a special athlete.. the only reason he went that low was because he had been out all season with a pretty serious injury.. he was a shoe-in to be a top 5 pick in last yrs draft if he had stayed in college and proved his recovery.

and my only qualm with your 'draft a cb, spend on o-line, lb's in FA' theory is that there looks to be alot more impact FA cb's than lb's, o-line
He only played in his freshman and sophomore years and had a knee injury that kept him out all of his junior year. I think that scared some teams away; teams like the Dolphins and the Rams.

An athletic corner will be available to us with that 1st pick this year. Someone who could prove to be as good or better than someone like Samuel. SD took Jammer at #5 (pretty sure it was 5) during our Carr draft. Not even 5 years later they took Cromartie and it is paying off. They led the league in interceptions during the regular season with 30. Next team behind them Colts/Titans with 22. They lead the postseason with 3. It's paying off in dividends. I know that they have a good front 7 and it helps tremendously, but the secondary is a bigger part of it IMO. I should also mention Ron Rivera's help.

Imagine having the luxury of easing Dunta back in through the nickel spot. His return is really crucial for us. We really need to treat this draft as if there could be complications with his recovery or he may not return at the same level.

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A name that keeps coming up as a potential DC at Michigan is Jon Hoke, defensive backs coach with the Houston Texans and former Florida defensive coordinator(1999-2001), not to mention brother of former Michigan assistant and current Ball State coach Brady Hoke. I just spoke to someone very close to Jon Hoke who said Hoke was contacted by someone in the Rodriguez camp regarding his potential interest in the Michigan DC job. Hoke, I am told, is not at all interested in the position and will not be interviewing for the job -- he is very happy with the Texans and the NFL.
Why not?

He doesn't get any heat on him no matter how few interceptions his group gets--11, tied for absolute dead last in the league or

no matter how many big plays are given up by the defense--tied for 30th in the league, with only Detroit being worse.

You see, if there are injuries, he gets a free pass.

I want a job like that. That no matter how good or bad I do, I get to keep my job.

How long has the Texans secondary been an embarrassment to this team?
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