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Old 12-19-2007   #21
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I hope you guys will play in my fantasy league next season
I'd be glad too. I'm the gentleman with Tom Brady, Randy Moss, Andre Johnson, Steven Jackson, and Adrian Peterson on my team.

I know how to draft.
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I'd be glad too. I'm the gentleman with Tom Brady, Randy Moss, Andre Johnson, Steven Jackson, and Adrian Peterson on my team.

I know how to draft.
You must play with a real competitive group there.
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I'd be glad too. I'm the gentleman with Tom Brady, Randy Moss, Andre Johnson, Steven Jackson, and Adrian Peterson on my team.

I know how to draft.
You had a real rough time deciding on those guys, eh?
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The Niners have COACHING problems, pure and simple. Same as the Texans. With five SB rings I don't think I would knock them to much.
How many offensive coordinators have they gone through? They may lose Mike Singletary this year as well. Hard for a young QB and an offensive unit to progress with that many changes.

This is something the Texans are dealing with, yes I know Kubiak is the main offensive guy but having to replace the offensive coordinator for the thir year in a row sucks to high heaven.

Mike, I agree with what you said for the most part. Anyone who thinks we are one or two players away is nutz, but I temper that with no one thought I WR were worth a crap and now we are all happy with our WR as long as we dont not lose anyone of importance, like Andre Davis. Not sure how Demps will play fulltime next year but at the very least he is better than what has been on the field and is a key person who needs be signed as well.

I am not sure any of you say Michael Turner will be a bust because he has all the tools and has shown that he can play. Is he the next LT? probably not but I say he is as good as Gore showed in 2006 or as good as anyone else of that elk. He may not be top tier talent be he can be in that next class with the supporting cast and giving him the ball 20 to 30 times a game.
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Can we afford Will Demps if he demands a contract similar to the one he got previously? 5-yr, $12MM
With the Pro-Bowl thinggy, his agent might go banana and ask for more. who knows.
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Can we afford Will Demps if he demands a contract similar to the one he got previously? 5-yr, $12MM
With the Pro-Bowl thinggy, his agent might go banana and ask for more. who knows.
5 years for $12 million @ $2.4 a year for a pro bowl alternate? I say "hell, yeah". If he can sew up the FS and he will have two arms next season, I think that would be a "sold" sign on that deal.
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Can we afford Will Demps if he demands a contract similar to the one he got previously? 5-yr, $12MM
With the Pro-Bowl thinggy, his agent might go banana and ask for more. who knows.
I'm not sure we will give him the 5 year deal because he's 28 and he his arm isn't 100%. We do have to resign him though.
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I for one wouldn't mind if the Texans turned into the 49ers of the late 80's/early 90's. 5 Lombardi trophies would be kinda nice. Especially if at least one of them came at the expense of a certain team from north Texas.
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That's not saying a lot. Our line is pitiful. Being relatively decent on OUR o-line should not be something to note when deciding whether or not to hang onto a player. I wouldn't mind keeping Pitts for back-up purposes, but the entire left side of our line needs help. I am actually satisfied with Winston and I like what I see out of Brisiel. We'll just have to see how things pan out in the off season.

I am not sure the O-line is as bad as people are thinking. They are creating holes for our non-impact backs and the Texans have only allowed 21 sacks all season. That puts them in 7th place in the league.

The 6 teams ahead of us? Saints, Bengals, Browns, Packers, Patriots and Colts.

I am not saying our line is perfect, but even with all the injuries, the team has improved in that area. Who would have ever thought with mostly the same guys on the o-line that we would be in the top ten of least sacks allowed?
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I am not sure the O-line is as bad as people are thinking. They are creating holes for our non-impact backs and the Texans have only allowed 21 sacks all season. That puts them in 7th place in the league.

The 6 teams ahead of us? Saints, Bengals, Browns, Packers, Patriots and Colts.

I am not saying our line is perfect, but even with all the injuries, the team has improved in that area. Who would have ever thought with mostly the same guys on the o-line that we would be in the top ten of least sacks allowed?
At the beginning of the season, my opinions were:
Salaam when healthy is better than Black who started for the Chiefs the year before.
Pitts, Weary, and Winston are young players and should improve, especially since they seem to be hard-working type.
Both Flanagan or McKinney are old pros. Same as with Salaam, we cannot expect the linemen to win every battle. They don't need to look pretty either. All they need to be is efficient.

And with more time in the system, they start playing better together.
Brisiel's time on the PS squad last year also helps.

They are all C+, B- players, IMHO.
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I'm not sure we will give him the 5 year deal because he's 28 and he his arm isn't 100%. We do have to resign him though.
Maybe a contract with incentives like roster bonus, games played, etc. ???
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At the beginning of the season, my opinions were:
Salaam when healthy is better than Black who started for the Chiefs the year before.
Pitts, Weary, and Winston are young players and should improve, especially since they seem to be hard-working type.
Both Flanagan or McKinney are old pros. Same as with Salaam, we cannot expect the linemen to win every battle. They don't need to look pretty either. All they need to be is efficient.

And with more time in the system, they start playing better together.
Brisiel's time on the PS squad last year also helps.

They are all C+, B- players, IMHO.
"c+" Oline with a "c" RB might get you to 8-8; but we need a better report card to go deep in play offs imo.
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"c+" Oline with a "c" RB might get you to 8-8; but we need a better report card to go deep in play offs imo.
Agree, we need to upgrade wherever we can. I'm just not sure which position should be first though. Or whether it's the D.

We'll see what the F.O. target in the off-season.
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Here's how I see it going by position:

QB--regardless of where you are on Schaub v. Sage, we've got our guys unless we deal one away.

TB--definite need. But TBs who get through a 16 game season are incredibly rare these days. As of right now, we'll only have one of the top 80 picks in the draft; can we afford to use it on a guy that may not last a season?

FB--Leach is fine, but he needs to play more consistently.

WR--a need no more if we keep Davis. I really like a foursome of AJ/Davis/Walter/Jacoby if JJ makes strides next year.

TE--if Daniels is done fumbling, this is not a need.

OT--LT is a huge, huge need; top priority IMHO. Winston is a nice RT.

G--can get better, but this is a place where you can plug in guys off the street.

C--a need, but not as urgent as LT.

DT--I like our rotation here, assuming Okoye continues to develop and Johnson plays like he cares.

DE--could use a bookend for Mario, but this is not a crying need in my mind. I like Kalu as a pass-rush specialist.

MLB--We're good here.

OLB--Not optimal, but we have bigger needs elsewhere.

CB--Big time need unless Robinson comes back quickly.

S--I really like Demps, but this is always a need for us.

PK--can't argue with a Pro Bowl who's perfect beyond 50

P--Turk's been a tad disappointing, but this is not worth a draft pick or (certainly) a big FA contract.

Assuming no trade and the absence of an obvious BPA that we can't pass up, I'd draft this way:
Round 1: LT (or CB if the elite LTs are gone)
3: CB (or LT if we went CB with #1)
4: S (can get good ones later on)
5: C
6&7 are crapshoots. Take a flyer on a late round RB.
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I am not sure the O-line is as bad as people are thinking. They are creating holes for our non-impact backs and the Texans have only allowed 21 sacks all season. That puts them in 7th place in the league.

The 6 teams ahead of us? Saints, Bengals, Browns, Packers, Patriots and Colts.

I am not saying our line is perfect, but even with all the injuries, the team has improved in that area. Who would have ever thought with mostly the same guys on the o-line that we would be in the top ten of least sacks allowed?
Sacks allowed is also sort of a sketchy measurement. Not having a QB who assumes the fetal position whenever a defensive lineman gets within 10 ft. of him helps a good deal in that department. Either way, the amount of pressure getting through is ridiculous. Granted, the line has improved a good deal in recent games. I'll give them that. None-the-less, Salaam isn't hacking it and neither is Pitts or Flanagan. From the center to the left, we need help. I also don't think that Spencer is going to be back at 100% either.
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I just want the linemen to hold their ground for 1-1/2 seconds.
In the WCO, the QB should be able to get rid of the ball during that time, or buys himself an extra 1/2 - 1 sec.

In this regard, I see Salaam as worse, and then Winston (yes, Winston).
(Just my observations, of course.)
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