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Old 12-15-2007   #21
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Any idea how many RZ possessions each QB has? The discussion presented to me was that Sage has more chances in the RZ than Matt, which I disputed.
That granular reporting I do not believe is available and would constitute taking the data that is out there at the team level and then splicing it from there based upon who was under center. The data that Lucky has produced is only based on passing attempts and does take into account rushes.
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Nope, just red zone defined by the situational stats by being in the opponent's side of the field from the 19 yard line through the goal line.
my point was that sage and aj havent had any huge plays yet.. like matt and aj do
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Redzone issues aside, I think that Matt is more likely to make the big play. That just demoralizes the defense. But I don't understand why every wants to start Sage over Matt. What has Matt shown you that makes you believe he's not a good starting QB. With a better running game and better PASS PROTECTION(not just sacks taken, but how many times have you seen Matt hurried or hit after he's thrown? TONS!) Matt can be a top 10 QB easy, and with more time in the system and a healthy AJ a top 5 QB.
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That granular reporting I do not believe is available and would constitute taking the data that is out there at the team level and then splicing it from there based upon who was under center. The data that Lucky has produced is only based on passing attempts and does take into account rushes.
sage is the clear winner in the redzone offence

ugh that was painful:


matt has qb'ed 23 trips to the RZ resulting in 9 tds, 13 fgs, 1 int, 0 fumbles
sage has qb'ed 15 trips to the RZ resulting in 12 tds, 1 fgs, 1 int, 1 fumble (v TB)


note this was done manually and was pretty boring but hopefully theres not mistake...

1) @atl we got to the atl 19 after a 3rd down pass and kicked a fg- i didnt count that since it really wasnt a RZ offence imo
2) sages int came on a play @ the SD 20.. i always thought from 20 in was the RZ so i counted it
3) 1 of matts fg's came as we ran out of time in the first half v the saints.. we kicked it on 2nd down after a spike

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I think once he develops Schaub will bascially be a Matt Hasslebeck type QB. He wont ever be Manning, but with the right pieces in place he could still take the team to the superbowl. He has struggled in the red zone, this is quite common among rookie QBs because the red zone is the most difficult area to pass in. Sage Rosenfels has been awesome this season, no question about it. People ask the question what has Matt done to deserve losing the starting spot, but they never ask the opposite question, what has Sage done to deserve to lose the starting spot. There is no question that Sage has played every bit as good as Matt.
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matt has qb'ed 23 trips to the RZ resulting in 10 tds, 13 fgs, 0 int, 0 fumbles
sage has qb'ed 15 trips to the RZ resulting in 12 tds, 1 fgs, 1 int, 1 fumble (v TB)
are you sure about this? I seem to remember Matt throwing at least one INT while in the red zone.
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sage is the clear winner in the redzone offence

ugh that was painful:


matt has qb'ed 23 trips to the RZ resulting in 10 tds, 13 fgs, 0 int, 0 fumbles
sage has qb'ed 15 trips to the RZ resulting in 12 tds, 1 fgs, 1 int, 1 fumble (v TB)


note this was done manually and was pretty boring but hopefully theres not mistake...

1) @atl we got to the atl 19 after a 3rd down pass and kicked a fg- i didnt count that since it really wasnt a RZ offence imo
2) sages int came on a play @ the SD 20.. i always thought from 20 in was the RZ so i counted it
3) 1 of matts fg's came as we ran out of time in the first half v the saints.. we kicked it on 2nd down after a spike
Appreciate the work, did you account for the AJ variable?
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are you sure about this? I seem to remember Matt throwing at least one INT while in the red zone.
I believe that was a pass play involving AJ (just outside of the RZ) and AJ did not make a great effort.
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are you sure about this? I seem to remember Matt throwing at least one INT while in the red zone.
Yes, he had one against the Colts right after the big JJ punt return, iirc.
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Yes, he had one against the Colts right after the big JJ punt return, iirc.
Good memory

Indianapolis Colts at 06:14
1-10-IND 26 (6:14) 29-J.Addai right guard to IND 29 for 3 yards (56-M.Greenwood).
2-7-IND 29 (5:43) 18-P.Manning pass incomplete short left to 87-R.Wayne (23-D.Robinson).
3-7-IND 29 (5:33) (Shotgun) 18-P.Manning pass incomplete short right to 44-D.Clark.
4-7-IND 29 (5:26) 17-H.Smith punts 63 yards to HOU 8, Center-48-J.Snow. 12-J.Jones ran ob at IND 18 for 74 yards (17-H.Smith). (Punt hang time 3.8 seconds.) HOU's 12 Jones injured on the return and taken for x-rays.

Houston Texans at 05:09
1-10-IND 18 (5:09) 8-M.Schaub pass short middle intended for 83-K.Walter INTERCEPTED by 58-G.Brackett at IND 3. 58-G.Brackett to IND 29 for 26 yards (44-V.Leach).

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/playby...2007&week=REG3
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are you sure about this? I seem to remember Matt throwing at least one INT while in the red zone.
i do too but apparently not on a play from the 20 or inside... maybe on the 25or 30 yd line


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Appreciate the work, did you account for the AJ variable?
no but i still have the info here


sage: with aj: 7 RZ trips: 6 tds, 1 fumble
without aj: 8 RZ trips: 6 tds, 1 fg, 1 int (impressive):


matt: with aj: 12 RZ trips: 6 tds, 6 fgs
without aj: 11 trips: 3 tds, 7 fgs, 1 int

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Good memory

Indianapolis Colts at 06:14
1-10-IND 26 (6:14) 29-J.Addai right guard to IND 29 for 3 yards (56-M.Greenwood).
2-7-IND 29 (5:43) 18-P.Manning pass incomplete short left to 87-R.Wayne (23-D.Robinson).
3-7-IND 29 (5:33) (Shotgun) 18-P.Manning pass incomplete short right to 44-D.Clark.
4-7-IND 29 (5:26) 17-H.Smith punts 63 yards to HOU 8, Center-48-J.Snow. 12-J.Jones ran ob at IND 18 for 74 yards (17-H.Smith). (Punt hang time 3.8 seconds.) HOU's 12 Jones injured on the return and taken for x-rays.

Houston Texans at 05:09
1-10-IND 18 (5:09) 8-M.Schaub pass short middle intended for 83-K.Walter INTERCEPTED by 58-G.Brackett at IND 3. 58-G.Brackett to IND 29 for 26 yards (44-V.Leach).

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/playby...2007&week=REG3
oops sorry guys

its fixed... when it was only a 1 play 'drive', i mustve missed it scanning through the play-by-play

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sage: with aj: 7 RZ trips: 6 tds, 1 fumble
without aj: 8 RZ trips: 6 tds, 1 fg, 1 int (impressive):


matt: with aj: 12 RZ trips: 6 tds, 6 fgs
without aj: 11 trips: 3 tds, 7 fgs, 1 int
nice work, thanks for compiling the stat. I cant help but notice that Sage likes to get TDs when he is in the red zone.
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nice work, thanks for compiling the stat. I cant help but notice that Sage likes to get TDs when he is in the red zone.

yep sage def have much better stats in the RZ but i did notice we kicked some really short fgs earlier in the season (on ATL 1 yard line most memorably).. i dont think we'd see that today
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i do too but apparently not on a play from the 20 or inside... maybe on the 25or 30 yd line




no but i still have the info here


sage: with aj: 7 RZ trips: 6 tds, 1 fumble
without aj: 8 RZ trips: 6 tds, 1 fg, 1 int (impressive):


matt: with aj: 12 RZ trips: 6 tds, 6 fgs
without aj: 11 trips: 3 tds, 7 fgs, 1 int
Thanks for the information. Very interesting to read.
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IIRC, early in the season, Matt had a couple of questionable throws in the red zone. After those throws (including the interception), he started playing it a lot safer in situations like that. Sage wings them in there in the RZ. Some of his throws are really threading the needle.

I think Matt's just trying not to make a mistake and lose points when he's down there and that was keeping him out of the end zone.
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