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Old 12-12-2007   #321
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Really, you going to stick with all those guys as legit "good" NFL players? Casserly was a horrible GM that set us back with picks like Ragone. Its funny that he is in this thread because wasn't the rumor that he wanted to announce that Bush was our pick but Reeves had to rein him in so as not to ruin trade value, etc.?How good can a guy be when we have to hire a GM babysitter for him?
I'm not crazy. I'm not arguing that Casserly was a good GM. I'm just of the opinion that the GM and Head Coach were too independent. I don't think either had much say on the other's hiring. Further, they never got on the sam page. Also, I think Capers' entire winning formula was highly flawed. I think it's the combination of those two that were the downfall. Casserly, I believe is an adequate talent evaluator and I suggest looking at the '06 draft as evidence of that.

Having said that, he made some horrible decisions, overpaid for almost every free agent, overpaid for trades, was totally uninspiring, and I'm thrilled that Rick Smith is here and he is gone!
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Old 12-12-2007   #322
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Gotta give credit where it's due. Casserly was pushing for Mario from the start, but Kubiak came to the same decision:

http://www.sportingnews.com/exclusiv.../734742-p.html

(got the link from another board)

Reading the link you posted, Vinny, you're right. Casserly never looked like he had a plan. Drew Henson in the 6th, OK, but Dave Ragone in the 3rd as well? But some of this may have been on Capers. Casserly said something to the effect that Kubes was excellent at communicating what specific type of player he needed/wanted, implying Capers had not been.
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This is my take, as well. I was on board with picking Mario the night before the 2006 draft, as evidenced in the board's history. Although I tended to be a D'Brick or AJ Hawk fan back then, I was cool with picking a defensive guy, too.

Since then, I've openly expressed being disappointed by certain aspects of his game. I understand the nature of the position is a 2-3 year learning curve, so I've always been patient about it, but losing tends to magnify the frustration. I care about our players and have high expectations for them. It's only human to be down from time to time, especially after six seasons of suck. But that doesn't mean I hate the pick or ever thought he was a 'bust'. Far from it.

I think Vinny comes from the same angle. No homer glasses but still hope for our hometown players, countered with realistic analysis of the product on the field. It doesn't require drinking koolaide or hatorade to be a good football fan.


yeah I'll come out of the closet. You go look at my posts now and I was posting the same thing in 05. I wanted D'brickasaw in the worst way. All the negitive things said bout Mario were true. But what was also true was the guy was a 299 pound, 4.66 speed phenomon. Those guys don't grow on trees either. Took some coaching up and some time but he is getting it. What I have never wavered on was my expecttions for Vincent. Never. He i doing exactly what I thought he would do. Doesn't make him a bad player. But he was far from polished coming out. Might be he will excede Mario we'll see. I'm very copmfortable with how everything has turned out so far.
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Gotta give credit where it's due. Casserly was pushing for Mario from the start, but Kubiak came to the same decision:

http://www.sportingnews.com/exclusiv.../734742-p.html

(got the link from another board)

Reading the link you posted, Vinny, you're right. Casserly never looked like he had a plan. Drew Henson in the 6th, OK, but Dave Ragone in the 3rd as well? But some of this may have been on Capers. Casserly said something to the effect that Kubes was excellent at communicating what specific type of player he needed/wanted, implying Capers had not been.
Really good read. I think this also dispels a lot of rumors about how the decision was made (i.e. Bush was being unreasonable and McNair was pissed about the scandal).
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I think "hyper-critical" is a bit of an overstatement. I didn't post much...and most of it centered on my being disappointed in his play. I never called him a bust or droned on and on about him being the wrong pick. I never waxed on and on about how we should have taken Young or anyone else....just made a few comments about how I was really dissapointed in his play at times when I thought we needed our elite players to pick it up a notch. Hell, even Kubiak said as much last week when he stated that he had a talk with his better players stepping up their games in order for this team to improve. In case you haven't noticed, we win games when our elite players play like elite players. When they don't, we tend to lose. Perhaps you just are more ok with losing than I am or you just haven't connected those dots.

yeah sure... that must be it
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That sportingnews article is a great read. Everyone should check it out.
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Gotta give credit where it's due. Casserly was pushing for Mario from the start, but Kubiak came to the same decision:

http://www.sportingnews.com/exclusiv.../734742-p.html

(got the link from another board)
Possibly the best quote from the article:

A few weeks earlier, an interviewer asked Casserly whether he wanted to be the next Stu Inman, the Trail Blazers' general manager who passed up Michael Jordan for Sam Bowie.

"Who says (Bush) is Michael Jordan?" replied Casserly. Now Casserly leans back in his chair. "People can judge this short term," he says. "But the smart ones will wait a few years. Check back with me then."
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I just have to say. Mario. Williams. Oh My God.
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I just have to say. Mario. Williams. Oh My God.
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Old 12-13-2007   #331
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I think we just saw Mario's coming out party.... Prime TV, all eyes on him, 3.5 sacks.... hope he gets a trip to Honolulu and now only 0.5 sacks off the league lead.
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I missed his performance because my sister wanted to watch Grey's Anatomy and the subsequent spinoff with Addison.
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WOWOWOWOWOW who the hell cares who drafted him, all that matters is he is a TEXAN and he is AMAZING! Im jumping on the bandwagon with a BIG ol' platter of crow and big ol' Im sorry Mario! Im sure glad you're here!
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Mario is a ****ing beast.
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I liked his hula dance when he got his 3rd sack! Man I hope he makes it too Hawaii!!
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All doubters have been put to shame.

Mario has almost as many sacks as VY has interceptions.... and that is REALLY saying something. Way to go!
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I've said this last year and this year that Mario Williams is not the reason the Texans weren't winning more games. We just weren't a good team. But when we do start winning more games you can bet Mario Williams will be one of the main reasons why. We are witnessing the birth of a superstar right in front of our eyes. Enjoy the ride people it's going to be a blast!
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Mario just jokingly punched Chuck Norris in his arm after the game and Chuck Norris blew up into a thousand pieces.

Then Mario re-constructed the pieces of Chuck Norris and invented a time machine and reversed global warming and killed Osama bin Laden in the process.

Mario Williams is the man.
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God I love being right about stuff like this, almost as much as seeing Mario tear up opposing offenses. I think the fan vote ended 2 days ago (of course), but I'm sure Mario will get voted in by players/coaches or if someone has an injury.

Too bad AJ was hurt or we could have had 2 Texans as All-Pros, possibly.
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All doubters have been put to shame.

Mario has almost as many sacks as VY has interceptions.... and that is REALLY saying something. Way to go!

Lets put it this way, mario almost has 2 times as many sacks as vince has touchdowns (passing).


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